18,000 Russians dead in Ukraine War .

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: vNex92


Russia does not have 'control of the sky' in Ukraine and NATO has no interest in creating a no fly zone in Ukraine.

NATO would also have no problem eliminating the russian air force if they chose to, but the madman in russia would nuke the planet and we aren't interested in that.

Russia would have no problems eliminating all NATO airplanes if it decides too either and NATO know this very well.

originally posted by: GravitySucks

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
They aren't winning, merely losing slower. No rational person believes Ukraine can win, thus anybody supporting aid supports Ukrainian deaths.

Kinda like you providing backup to the failing efforts of Patriotgames. Defeat is inevitable, the only question is how many deaths are enough.

Are you sending your kids to die in Ukraine? Did you change your Twitter profile to a Ukraine flag? How hard are you planning of carrying water for Biden/Obama?

You are dead wrong. Ukraine will win. In fact, they've already won.

And by the way, I am 100% Ukrainian, going back to the Zaporozhian Cossacks and Norway Vikings, with grandparents and grandparents who survived the death and prison camps. Every military-aged male in my family is fighting in this war. All three of them, one as a doctor, so shove your Twitter profile up where the sun doesn't shine.

Any other stupid questions?

Good luck, but Ukraine will not win. And if Russias security demands are not met then this war will get worse for Ukraine in unimaginable ways. We’ll see in the next few months, it would have been real easy for Ukraine and NATO to say no to membership but they decided to keep provoking Russia and acting like Anyone can join NATO so who cares?

But the experts warner against that attitude, and here we are. Ukraine will be left with no military infrastructure. Disarmed.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Now that's funny!

Nobody ever knew any such thing, but the russian invasion of Ukraine has already proven that false beyond any doubt.

Even their latest 'stealth' plane got tracked and chased by an IR stinger, russian planes are nowhere near good enough to defeat NATO, and they have very few that were built in the last 50 years.

Paper tiger.

originally posted by: GravitySucks
a reply to: JinMI

That's where I live right now. Yes.

Why arent you fighting for your country?

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


NATO isn't a country, it's a russian invasion defensive treaty.

What is this imaginary NATO agression you keep speaking of, did NATO invade russia?

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Is russia about to invade the U.S.?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Now that's funny!

Nobody ever knew any such thing, but the russian invasion of Ukraine has already proven that false beyond any doubt.

Even their latest 'stealth' plane got tracked and chased by an IR stinger, russian planes are nowhere near good enough to defeat NATO, and they have very few that were built in the last 50 years.

Paper tiger.

What stealth plane are talking about?

Old.. old ... ANCIENT s-125 soviet missile shot down americas grand premier STEALTH F-117 nighthawk in Yugoslavia. A system from the 1960s vs 1983 aircraft.

Easy work for soviets and russians. Their SAMs today like S-300, S-400, S-500
Would destroy any and all NATO aircradt simultaneously if they chose to do so. I have do doubt.

And thats why USA veto’d STRONGLY against Russia supplying Syria with s-400. And thats why America and NATO did heavy practice against an S300. In cyprus to understand their systems.


And I have on hand multiple RAND studies and military think tanks agreeing that Russias has the worlds most potent SAM systems.

So let NATO try and send their planes in. Because Ukraine arent using theirs.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Ukraine has more armor and most other vehicles now than it did before russia invaded as they keep capturing russian gear.

And a whole lot of new support from around the world as a result of the russian invasion.

Russia is destroying many of Ukraine's cities and much of the country's civilian infrastructure, but we'll help them rebuild after russia goes back to russia.

Stop the trains. how ?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


NATO isn't a country, it's a russian invasion defensive treaty.

What is this imaginary NATO agression you keep speaking of, did NATO invade russia?

Quote me where I said NATO was a country. I’ll be waiting till next century.

I can however quote the former US Defence Secretary for the Bush and Obama administration:

“ In his 2014 memoir, Duty, Robert M. Gates, who served as secretary of defense in both Bush's administration and Barack Obama's, conceded that "trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO was truly overreaching." That initiative, he concluded, was a case of "recklessly ignoring what the Russians considered their own vital national interests."

Source: www.newsweek.com...


His opinion is worth 10 million of yours.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Now that's funny!

Nobody ever knew any such thing, but the russian invasion of Ukraine has already proven that false beyond any doubt.

Even their latest 'stealth' plane got tracked and chased by an IR stinger, russian planes are nowhere near good enough to defeat NATO, and they have very few that were built in the last 50 years.

Paper tiger.

What stealth plane are talking about?

Old.. old ... ANCIENT s-125 soviet missile shot down americas grand premier STEALTH F-117 nighthawk in Yugoslavia. A system from the 1960s vs 1983 aircraft.

Easy work for soviets and russians. Their SAMs today like S-300, S-400, S-500
Would destroy any and all NATO aircradt simultaneously if they chose to do so. I have do doubt.

And thats why USA veto’d STRONGLY against Russia supplying Syria with s-400. And thats why America and NATO did heavy practice against an S300. In cyprus to understand their systems.


And I have on hand multiple RAND studies and military think tanks agreeing that Russias has the worlds most potent SAM systems.

So let NATO try and send their planes in. Because Ukraine arent using theirs.

Su35.

s300 isn't even having much luck shooting down the old russian planes that Ukraine uses, and none of the russian systems have ever tracked an f22 rigged for battle.

You are completely delusional if you think russia's tiny modern air force would have any kind of chance against a U.S. attack, and thinking that they could survive the numbers from both the US and other NATO nations combined is completely insane.

We have plenty of experience with s300, 400 & 500 and it's never posed any kind of trouble for us.

s500 does disrupt systems at nearby civilian airports though.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Ukraine has more armor and most other vehicles now than it did before russia invaded as they keep capturing russian gear.

And a whole lot of new support from around the world as a result of the russian invasion.

Russia is destroying many of Ukraine's cities and much of the country's civilian infrastructure, but we'll help them rebuild after russia goes back to russia.

Prove anything you claim.

And also Russia wont go back to Russia until their demands are met.

We can bet on that.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Now that's funny!

Nobody ever knew any such thing, but the russian invasion of Ukraine has already proven that false beyond any doubt.

Even their latest 'stealth' plane got tracked and chased by an IR stinger, russian planes are nowhere near good enough to defeat NATO, and they have very few that were built in the last 50 years.

Paper tiger.

What stealth plane are talking about?

Old.. old ... ANCIENT s-125 soviet missile shot down americas grand premier STEALTH F-117 nighthawk in Yugoslavia. A system from the 1960s vs 1983 aircraft.

Easy work for soviets and russians. Their SAMs today like S-300, S-400, S-500
Would destroy any and all NATO aircradt simultaneously if they chose to do so. I have do doubt.

And thats why USA veto’d STRONGLY against Russia supplying Syria with s-400. And thats why America and NATO did heavy practice against an S300. In cyprus to understand their systems.


And I have on hand multiple RAND studies and military think tanks agreeing that Russias has the worlds most potent SAM systems.

So let NATO try and send their planes in. Because Ukraine arent using theirs.

Su35.

s300 isn't even having much luck shooting down the old russian planes that Ukraine uses, and none of the russian systems have ever tracked an f22 rigged for battle.

You are completely delusional if you think russia's tiny modern air force would have any kind of chance against a U.S. attack, and thinking that they could survive the numbers from both the US and other NATO nations combined is completely insane.

We have plenty of experience with s300, 400 & 500 and it's never posed any kind of trouble for us.

s500 does disrupt systems at nearby civilian airports though.

Who said Su-35 was stealth?

Prove it.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Now that's funny!

Nobody ever knew any such thing, but the russian invasion of Ukraine has already proven that false beyond any doubt.

Even their latest 'stealth' plane got tracked and chased by an IR stinger, russian planes are nowhere near good enough to defeat NATO, and they have very few that were built in the last 50 years.

Paper tiger.

What stealth plane are talking about?

Old.. old ... ANCIENT s-125 soviet missile shot down americas grand premier STEALTH F-117 nighthawk in Yugoslavia. A system from the 1960s vs 1983 aircraft.

Easy work for soviets and russians. Their SAMs today like S-300, S-400, S-500
Would destroy any and all NATO aircradt simultaneously if they chose to do so. I have do doubt.

And thats why USA veto’d STRONGLY against Russia supplying Syria with s-400. And thats why America and NATO did heavy practice against an S300. In cyprus to understand their systems.


And I have on hand multiple RAND studies and military think tanks agreeing that Russias has the worlds most potent SAM systems.

So let NATO try and send their planes in. Because Ukraine arent using theirs.

Su35.

s300 isn't even having much luck shooting down the old russian planes that Ukraine uses, and none of the russian systems have ever tracked an f22 rigged for battle.

You are completely delusional if you think russia's tiny modern air force would have any kind of chance against a U.S. attack, and thinking that they could survive the numbers from both the US and other NATO nations combined is completely insane.

We have plenty of experience with s300, 400 & 500 and it's never posed any kind of trouble for us.

s500 does disrupt systems at nearby civilian airports though.

Russian SAMs pose plenty of problems according to the top
American and non American military experts including RAND.

And F-22 is easy to see on Russian radar just like F-117 which had a radar cross section of a golf ball and blown to bits by a 1960s missile. Facts

Facts.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


russia did, but it really doesn't matter since they didn't do anything about the heat coming out of the rear.

BTW - the dagger has the same problem, it paints a 4000 degree fireball in the sky.

We know how to target hot things in the sky.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

russia hasn't ever seen a 22 rigged for war, what they occasionally track are 22s with a device added to make them less stealthy.

Wise nations don't give away the stealth signatures of their planes before they are needed for war.

Perhaps someone should inform putin.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


russia did, but it really doesn't matter since they didn't do anything about the heat coming out of the rear.

BTW - the dagger has the same problem, it paints a 4000 degree fireball in the sky.

We know how to target hot things in the sky.

Quote Russia saying that it is a stealth aircraft.

Anyone with infrared can target hot things in the sky. A 9 year old child with an IR camera.
You think this is new or unique technology ????

Hahaha. Wow, might as well exit the conversation.

We didn’t know the tail end of a jet aircraft got hot PatriotGames thanks for educating ATS!

Hey did anyone else know this?

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


F117 is 40 year old technology that we stopped using 25 years ago, and the only time russian systems could detect it is when the plane was visible to the naked eye with it's bay doors open.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

russia hasn't ever seen a 22 rigged for war, what they occasionally track are 22s with a device added to make them less stealthy.

Wise nations don't give away the stealth signatures of their planes before they are needed for war.

Perhaps someone should inform putin.

Excuses excuses, the facts are when US stealth met soviet slash Russian missile techn (ancient old missile tech)

The soviets:russians won.

Battle tested, facts, history.

As for the F-22 it achieved jack. Its killed more US pilots than enemies. Its the biggest economical waste of money. Whats its best achievement?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

russia hasn't ever seen a 22 rigged for war, what they occasionally track are 22s with a device added to make them less stealthy.

Wise nations don't give away the stealth signatures of their planes before they are needed for war.

Perhaps someone should inform putin.

Excuses excuses, the facts are when US stealth met soviet slash Russian missile techn (ancient old missile tech)

The soviets:russians won.

Battle tested, facts, history.

As for the F-22 it achieved jack. Its killed more US pilots than enemies. Its the biggest economical waste of money. Whats its best achievement?