"Covid passports" removed from New Zealand, hat's off to everyone who held the line.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: just4fun

So, the COVID-19 passports, and the mandates, were only a temporary option in the first place.

It's not like the protests were the reason for the loosening of restrictions.

No chance had anything to do with protest.
Sure looks like it. How did it go.
No talk about lifting passport mandates at all by politicians. People have a protest on parliament grounds for 3 weeks. Suddenly politicians talking about vaccine passports. 1 and half month later no vaccine pass required.
Yup no chance protest had anything to do with it

originally posted by: Tucket
Can people leave and come to NZ without being vaccinated?

In Canada People are somewhat pacified withthe easing of restrictions, however, the mandates still exist on a federal level.

I still cant visit my family without being vaccinated.

Some NZ citizens can return without being vaccinated at the moment, but currently we are just coming out of the peak of the Omicron 'wave' and so we are getting about 10 deaths per day from COVID-19 (a statistic that usually lags about 14 days after the peak), so everyone is still being urged to vaccinate. In fact, the same day this announcement was made, the government also officially sanctioned a second booster shot.

originally posted by: Tucket

I still cant visit my family without being vaccinated.

What? What exactly does family mean? Like just your dying grandma or any family members? If you aren't allowed to visit any family members that has to be an abuse of human rights...

a reply to: chr0naut

That's 10 deaths per day "with" Covid-19, not from. Even the government has admitted they are not all dying due to covid despite being counted as such.

Since Covid started we have now had 540,000 cases (the govt did admit this was probably nearer 1.7million by their own estimates yesterday) and a total of 184 deaths. By contrast, how many died due to the mandates which were imposed on NZ?


As you said, some NZ citizens can return, some can't (it depends on what class of citzen you are), as for getting out of the country, that depends if you can find an airline which doesn't require the vaccine pass.

a reply to: chr0naut

spent an awful lot of money on a temporary solution didn't they? Temporary Drivers license have less work than these vaccine passports.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

spent an awful lot of money on a temporary solution didn't they? Temporary Drivers license have less work than these vaccine passports.

A solution to what? Full control of the population?
Because the 'vaccines' don't work to stop the spread or contracting 'covid' so I don't see how the 'vaccine passports' would do that either? I know you are blasting the passports , but had to say this

originally posted by: ZeussusZ

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: just4fun

So, the COVID-19 passports, and the mandates, were only a temporary option in the first place.

It's not like the protests were the reason for the loosening of restrictions.

No chance had anything to do with protest.
Sure looks like it. How did it go.
No talk about lifting passport mandates at all by politicians. People have a protest on parliament grounds for 3 weeks. Suddenly politicians talking about vaccine passports. 1 and half month later no vaccine pass required.
Yup no chance protest had anything to do with it

The mood here in NZ was general annoyance at the slow riot that the protests devolved into, and relief when the mess was cleared away. Even people who agreed with the initial protests became disgusted with the actions of the ones that remained and occupied the area.

In the first place, there were few protesters even affected by any mandate. Most of those who stayed on site were violent troublemakers and vandals.

Before the protest, new daily infections were numbered about 100. After the protests, new daily infections were close to 20,000 and several people from the protests were noted visiting clinics on the way home because they were unwell and were tested as positive. I.e: the protests were the super-spreader events that completely broke the NZ response which had worked fairly well up until then.

The protests did nothing to change the current situation, except to make things worse for the rest of the country.

a reply to: just4fun

In Canada, National TURD PM still pushing for it for travel....fascist...

The fact that we even have to celebrate this illustrates the dire situation our world is in

Good for them...but damn

a reply to: chr0naut

Your comments are 100% your own opinion and do not reflect the opinions of the whole of our country.

A large portion of the country agreed with the protests and it was only the very end which turned violent, and that was very likely due at least in part to the way the government and police handled the situation. I am sure you have seen the videos of police violence at the protests, so you can not say they are completely innocent in this.

1000's of people lost their jobs or were forced to be vaccinated to keep them, in one way or another, it affected everyone in New Zealand, not only a few.

Similarly, your comment that the protests caused the spread of Covid is complete speculation, there were already over 100 cases up in Auckland alone when the protest started, and the media didn't start reporting "possible" cases in the protest until well into it. It could equally argued that it was the police (who were reporting cases internally at their main headquarters) who spread Covid to the protestors down in Wellington.

Yup yup the protestors and subsequent poor government polling had nothing to do with the removal of mandates.

Too little, too late.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

spent an awful lot of money on a temporary solution didn't they? Temporary Drivers license have less work than these vaccine passports.

The COVID-19 passports are mostly electronic.

Banks issue credit cards to new accounts at the drop of a hat, that have more cost, physical components, and effort on behalf of the bank, behind them.

originally posted by: dslayer
a reply to: chr0naut

That's 10 deaths per day "with" Covid-19, not from. Even the government has admitted they are not all dying due to covid despite being counted as such.

So, people dying in acute care wards of pneumonia like symptoms, coughing up blood, and with ARDS, slowly drowning in their own fluids, aren't dying of COVID-19? Get real!

Since Covid started we have now had 540,000 cases (the govt did admit this was probably nearer 1.7million by their own estimates yesterday) and a total of 184 deaths. By contrast, how many died due to the mandates which were imposed on NZ?

As you said, some NZ citizens can return, some can't (it depends on what class of citzen you are), as for getting out of the country, that depends if you can find an airline which doesn't require the vaccine pass.

The roles under mandate had to do (and still do to some extent) with the likelihood of exposure to the virus, at a time when the virus was mostly controlled and was not spreading significantly in the general public.

For example, medical support for the immunocompromised, that were also infected, would be a major disaster, and so there were mandatory vaccinations and quarantine conditions for those infected, to ensure they wouldn't infect the most vulnerable.

originally posted by: dslayer
a reply to: chr0naut

Your comments are 100% your own opinion and do not reflect the opinions of the whole of our country.

A large portion of the country agreed with the protests and it was only the very end which turned violent, and that was very likely due at least in part to the way the government and police handled the situation. I am sure you have seen the videos of police violence at the protests, so you can not say they are completely innocent in this.

1000's of people lost their jobs or were forced to be vaccinated to keep them, in one way or another, it affected everyone in New Zealand, not only a few.

Similarly, your comment that the protests caused the spread of Covid is complete speculation, there were already over 100 cases up in Auckland alone when the protest started, and the media didn't start reporting "possible" cases in the protest until well into it. It could equally argued that it was the police (who were reporting cases internally at their main headquarters) who spread Covid to the protestors down in Wellington.

Yup yup the protestors and subsequent poor government polling had nothing to do with the removal of mandates.

Too little, too late.

There was also an epidemic disease spreading, that was the reason for the mandates in the first place.

It is ending peoples jobs now, too, as well as their lives.

The truth is that the 'freedom' protestors were ignoring the real threat, because they were all fired up over conspiracy theories that are now PROVEN wrong by the government's recent actions.

a reply to: ZeussusZ

It would have had a lot to do with the protests. There were enough pissed-off people to sway the balance of power. The bad cop is waiting in the wings for the next election, the only fly in the ointment is NZ firsts Winston Peters, he usually ends up as Kingmaker in these elections. Even though he gets about five to ten percent of the vote. This is the major party's nightmare scenario which will no doubt eventuate.

a reply to: chr0naut

Are right you keep believing that electronic passports are a cheap and cheerful solution.

FYI BANK issue credit cards because they get a lot out of it in the form of money and information.

What did the passports get the government?

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

Are right you keep believing that electronic passports are a cheap and cheerful solution.

FYI BANK issue credit cards because they get a lot out of it in the form of money and information.

What did the passports get the government?

Money and Information?

If the google covid rate maps are to be believed its never been worse in New Zealand than right now. What is the justification to remove restrictions during a spike in cases?

originally posted by: dandandat2
If the google covid rate maps are to be believed its never been worse in New Zealand than right now. What is the justification to remove restrictions during a spike in cases?

What are the justifications to KEEP them if they've been shown to do no good?

The justification to remove them is that they were never justified in the first place.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

Are right you keep believing that electronic passports are a cheap and cheerful solution.

FYI BANK issue credit cards because they get a lot out of it in the form of money and information.

What did the passports get the government?

The ability to trace an outbreak through potential exposures to the pathogen (contact tracing), and to limit exposures where possible, is vital to reducing epidemic spread of disease. That was how the COVID-19 passports were supposed to work.

But few businesses even seemed to know how to use the passports. In all the time they were in use, not once did I ever have my COVID-19 passport scanned into the app, except when I did it myself to verify it all worked. Although several businesses asked to see the passport.