Do Federal Agencies Promote Religious Extremism To Gather Intelligence?

Yes. Well at least one does.

Apart from conspiracy sites, I also frequent religious and occult sites. And on these website you may come across a "really scary" one that makes their living making sickening headlines, The Order of Nine Angles. 

If you look on Wikipedia it says it's a Neo Nazi occult group started by some English man named David Myatt. They "cull mundanes" and do it for the dark Gods of the acausal Grand Imperium, or something ridiculous like that.

In reality, it is a group (people online) purposely left to exist and be perpetually infiltrated by federal agencies. At very least watched. They pay informants to play sinister both in life and online.

www.jpost.com...

And here's the interesting part, their socially reprehensible text is largely written by trolls purposely exploiting the idiocies of the followers. Having talked to someone that writes their "MSS" (convoluted texts filled with double speak and esoterics meant to confound the reader), they seem to view those who buy into it with COMPLETE AND TOTAL disdain, even going out of their way to destroy them of their devilish interests. They are children to be called "meme monkeys" and "japes".

And the religious (non Neo Nazi part) is humorously ripped off from Judaism.

For example

This is their Tree of Wyrd:


[Which is in no way like The Kabbala Tree of Life]

Yup, They turned being an antinomian individual into a goose-stepping Nazi doing Hassidic Judaism, and thrive on the media attention they receive for their followers lack of intelligence.  

They also primarily encourage "action". Often calling upon their followers to be "exeatic" (do things in real life) and help establish the next sinister aeon.

They cite honor and nobility to form a society of Aryan values and ethos. And encourage social purification to bring that about. 

And their followers do what they think they are supposed to do. They form gang's called Nexions to do real life sinister deeds to prove how antinomian they are. Contradiction of all that aside, they often end up making the news for their deeds. Then the mantra of "All press is good press" gets repeated again.

Taking it all in a picture forms.

An across the board use of Far Right ideology as bait to polarize society against extremism while noting the "extremists".

Why?

Theories abound. Mainly shill-based ones.

Mostly; FBI, NSA, MI5, Mossad, and global Western interests since 1949.

Lots of incongruities there too. Lots of the same contributors are allowed to publish these  texts even though it's illegal in The UK, and considered hate speech everywhere else. 

And then they can make a public hearing out of it when all that bait trolling backfires exactly as planned.

In the age of the mind war people are marks to be exploited and used as social examples. And this group is a lesser known example of ideological saps doing their part to breed extremism out of society.

My opinion is it doesn't stop at sheepish and wicked occult groups and the further from center it is the more likely it is to be an ideological honeypot of database building.  And it will be exploited with a ridiculous amount of humor that only an objective view would recognize.

Why would you be on a website like that to begin with? Stay away from that garbage. It also attracts demons, real wicked spirit forces. Who do you think is causing all the chaos behind the scenes?

a reply to: randomuser

You don't have to fear those places. They believe in wacky things written by fruitcakes and praise Michael Aquino. Well, the ones that didn't antagonize him into rage quitting did. He was seen as a fake and notorious liar. "600 Club" was the (now defunct) site in question.

It is just the internet. Same posturing and flame wars between cults of personality. They talked about the same metaphysical concepts, only they painted it black and collected skulls to look as much the image as possible.

Basically the Hot Topic of religion. Religion with an Anarchy symbol.

The plasticity is funny to me. They're wicked like a rebellious 16 year old.

And they'll get what they want if they really unlock their mind. They'll create their devilish thoughform and end up yelling at traffic. That mantra of "you'll open up a portal to darkness" is plenty powerful all by it's lonesome.

Thanks for the concern, but it's not a worry.

a reply to: Degradation33

I generally open up a portal of darkness religiously 20 minutes after eating anything from taco bell with cheese and diablo sauce, don't believe me ask my wimmins or my poor dog that won't go anywhere near the bathroom for at least an hour after I am done.

a reply to: Brotherman

Well, that's what the above poster was referring to.

Believe it or not that is a ubiquitous superstition on all Western religious boards. Invoking certain archetypes and ideas opens up wicked forces and whathaveyou. Enough for dissociative personalities even.

And Diablo sauce is nothing compared the abyss that is dysentery. That's more Del Taco territory though.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Brotherman

Well, that's what the above poster was referring to.

Believe it or not that is a ubiquitous superstition on all Western Religious boards. Invoking certain archetypes and ideas opens up wicked forces and whathaveyou.

And Diablo sauce is nothing compared the abyss that is dysentery. That's more Del Taco territory though.

Probably what they had in mind when they created the diablo sauce...

I still don't know about using religious whack jobs for intel gathering, imo they would use that for stoopid gathering.

a reply to: Brotherman

Can't it be both?

I think there's a certain threshold, but with this group I'm talking about they basically turned it into an irony trap.

"Hey racist white kids, start terrorist cells based on religious ideology and commit sinister deeds"

It just screams intentional counter intelligence bait. The threshold possibly being the formation of a "sinister tribe".

I came across it 10 years ago and it has remained a curiosity ever since.

There is also what happens to the "initiates".

I'm not lying when I say many of them start hearing voices and think it's some communion with the "dark gods of the acausal universe". Or go completely insane thinking the government is after them and hacking their thoughts. Rarely a pretty ending. A lot of broken wills.

I feel when a call to arms is invoked such traps can be used to find those most likely to plan real life action. (Why i used this group as an example)

Plus the person who I talked to who wrote/writes a lot of their BS told me as much. She called them "useful idiots".

Take what you will from that.

a reply to: Degradation33

and all I am saying is that stupid people do stupid #

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: Degradation33

I generally open up a portal of darkness religiously 20 minutes after eating anything from taco bell with cheese and diablo sauce, don't believe me ask my wimmins or my poor dog that won't go anywhere near the bathroom for at least an hour after I am done.

The 8th gate of hell?

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: Degradation33

I generally open up a portal of darkness religiously 20 minutes after eating anything from taco bell with cheese and diablo sauce, don't believe me ask my wimmins or my poor dog that won't go anywhere near the bathroom for at least an hour after I am done.

The 8th gate of hell?

it depends if I had the taco salad with it or not really and if the retard working the kitchen wasn't high as hell or not cause when they are stoned I always end up with more beans then lettuce for whatever reason. That being said sometimes it is the 8th and 9th converging into one dark center....

gives me the chills thinking about

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: Degradation33

I generally open up a portal of darkness religiously 20 minutes after eating anything from taco bell with cheese and diablo sauce, don't believe me ask my wimmins or my poor dog that won't go anywhere near the bathroom for at least an hour after I am done.

The 8th gate of hell?

it depends if I had the taco salad with it or not really and if the retard working the kitchen wasn't high as hell or not cause when they are stoned I always end up with more beans then lettuce for whatever reason. That being said sometimes it is the 8th and 9th converging into one dark center....

gives me the chills thinking about

I kinda miss taco bell sometimes, and then there are these times!

a reply to: Degradation33

So I'm the only one that finds it funny they get Neo Nazi Satanists to practice Judaism? Someone's got a sense of humor, doesn't even have to be the government.

That's way funnier than Taco Bell diarrhea.

I think it was the title I used. Perhaps "Order of Nine Angles Expose" would have been better? Should have learned to title better by now.

a reply to: vonclod





Remember the gorditas commercial with the evil chihuahua riding in tanks? I bet taco hell recruits religious nutters, I should apply for a job and report back.

You always inspire me with my greatest ideas thanks bro!

a reply to: Degradation33

Well, we do know that the feds infiltrated and attempted to direct UFO groups during the Cold war.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Degradation33

So I'm the only one that finds it funny they get Neo Nazi Satanists to practice Judaism? Someone's got a sense of humor, doesn't even have to be the government.

That's way funnier than Taco Bell diarrhea.

I think it was the title I used. Perhaps "Order of Nine Angles Expose" would have been better. Should have learned to title better by now.

I told you before stupid people do stupid #. I agree it is funny that neo nazis want to play with fringe judiasm but talking about this sort of thing here gets really fringeand I have seen the ban hammer come down pretty quickly on folks.

The idea to me is like the chapelle show skit when dave chapelle was a blind black guy that was part of the kkk, I get what your putting down but if I used more literal commentary I imagine it could easily be taking the wrong way... sorry if I kind of got taco bell started in here.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Degradation33

Well, we do know that the feds infiltrated and attempted to direct UFO groups during the Cold war.

The Feds once infiltrated the feds and found out that Hoover was a cross dresser and used that info to allow the mafia to black mail him before. Those feds back in the day were a bunch of funny bunnies, silly gooses.

a reply to: Brotherman

Not that I'm offended, just wondering why you're derailing the attempted serious nature of the thread. Could be pointing to something like "The NSA uses occult groups for secret purposes".

Wasn't that once "not fringe" here? I realize it's mostly a conservative echo chamber now, but I'm just trying to self moderate this very tenuous thread from being trolled into oblivion.

It was interesting for me to cut this group apart analytically and come to the conclusion it was an ideological trap possibly perpetuated by counter-intelligence. Especially the rumors that swirled around them.

But it's not like I can stop you... so carry on.

There's probably nothing, any one of the agencies wouldn't of done, at certain points in the last 80 years.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Brotherman

Not that I'm offended, just wondering why you're derailing the attempted serious nature of the thread. Could be pointing to something like "The NSA uses occult groups for secret purposes".

Wasn't that once "not fringe" here? I realize it's mostly a conservative echo chamber now, but I'm just trying to self moderate this very tenuous thread from being trolled into oblivion.

It was interesting for me to cut this group apart analytically and come to the conclusion it was an ideological trap possibly perpetuated by counter-intelligence. Especially the rumors that swirled around them.

But it's not like I can stop you... so carry on.

You posted one link to a story involving a confidential informant "sutter" even the images in the article are irrelevant as those photos were going back to an event back in 2009 (and it says so) It talks about an informant and his big ass salary. It does not talk about him practicing jewish things. It does mention about murdering gay Jewish guy and that he makes 100g's from the fbi and owns a publishing company that is neo nazi BS. I don't care to read farther into those sorts of publications so at this point I take your word for what it is all about or I talk about the dark circle of hell after taco bell.

I am not here to be stopped and I am not a derailer, rather you are presenting information here that to verify would require me to download and actually read neo nazi bull # and I am simply not willing to do that.

a reply to: Brotherman

Fair enough.

Didn't want to pollute the thread with occult links to back up my point more.

More or less this was about my observation and interaction with contributors to this really fringe group and unfortunately that is most recent link to support the direct funding of extremist views for the purpose of counter-terrorism or national security.

They directly funded white supremacy publications to see where it leads.

I perhaps should have explained more. This publisher publishes O9A literature as well. Not directly connected, but part of a picture. And the entire ideology is a fraud. The esoteric part is ripped off Jewish mysticism, the rest I feel is an example of a purposeful across the board operation to promote extremist views and follow who agrees with it.

It seems there is a genuine interest to lure people and then make note of the fish drawn to the bait.

Though I completely understand your point.