Concerning ROSCOSMOS Video about ISS - this could happen

a reply to: beyondknowledge

SPACE X could dock an unmanned Dragon capsule (CRS) and use its thrusters to raise the orbit to keep it from plunging lower

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: beyondknowledge

SPACE X could dock an unmanned Dragon capsule (CRS) and use its thrusters to raise the orbit to keep it from plunging lower

Yes, they could...If we are talking about BEFORE the scenario played out in the video. No, they can't...If we are talking AFTER the scenario played out in the video. The remaining station will be tumbling out of control shortly after that and the vehicle would not have anyway to dock with it.

originally posted by: Jbird
a reply to: Bigburgh

He's Here

yes! Thank you.

originally posted by: Bigburgh
a reply to: Valhall

Last week I briefly saw an article posted in the news about the head of the Russian Space Program or of such capacities...

Talking about separating scientific space ties and let the International Space Station come down either on a city in the United States or Europe.

This is the one I saw: Russian space chief says he could let International Space Station crash into US if sanctions proceed

I just skimmed it, took note, and carried on.

Dimitry Rogozin, the chief of the Russian space corporation Roscosmos, made an eyebrow-raising threat: that if the sanctions continue, Russia could stop maintaining the orbit of the International Space Station and allow it to crash into the United States.

Rogozin is known for making bizarre pronouncements. In 2020, he said that "we believe that Venus is a Russian planet," and last fall

a reply to: SirHardHarry

YEP! Anyone who cares about the ISS (it's actually extremely disturbing to see how many people are downright militantly ignorant of what value we've gotten from it), thought that meant they were just going to leave the program, pull their cosmonauts, and stop providing Soyuz and Progress. Okay, we can ramp up to take care of that. Now that they have released this video, that's not what this son-of-a-bitch meant! He wants to intentionally START the out-of-control re-entry of the remaining ISS - with crew!

originally posted by: Bigburgh
a reply to: Valhall

Agreed, terrible thing to do to anyone. I'm not religious, but I pray this does not come to fruition.


Infact, I find myself quietly praying a lot lately for someone who doesn't believe in religion.

You already have that. The whole WEF/WHO crew that's pushing the WuFlu scam, the war in Ukraine, the world-wide programmed famine, etc. is irreligious. How's that working out for you?

a reply to: Valhall

can this be orchestrated from the ground , or does it physically require the astronauts to take measures onboard the ISS
because if its the latter then there is no way the astronauts would abandon each other like that on orders from their governments ,arent they like a space brotherhood ?
There is no way they'd (the astronauts) allow it to happen and for the US space lab to burn up on reentry and cause an international incident.

If its the case that they can do this from space control at roscosmos then that is just shocking
and if they did that then its would be the worst space incident in history

a reply to: incoserv

Good point.

a reply to: SirHardHarry

Thank you, much appreciated.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Valhall

can this be orchestrated from the ground , or does it physically require the astronauts to take measures onboard the ISS
because if its the latter then there is no way the astronauts would abandon each other like that on orders from their governments ,arent they like a space brotherhood ?
There is no way they'd (the astronauts) allow it to happen and for the US space lab to burn up on reentry and cause an international incident.

If its the case that they can do this from space control at roscosmos then that is just shocking
and if they did that then its would be the worst space incident in history

Yes, this could all be done from the ground. They can upload cyclograms that would sequentially take the steps to close off from the U.S. Lab and undock, and they would probably time it to where the next critical actions take place while in LOS (line-of-sight) of Star City so they could do any attitude control needed to stabilize the Russian segment. (Unless it has changed since I was there, Russia has very limited LOS time. 15 minutes per orbit, so what they tend to do is upload pre-programmed cyclograms that run as a "if this timetag and these conditions exist, do this thing" and that for the next ~75 minutes and then when they grab LOS again they upload another one. But in the scenario in the video they would probably upload on the previous LOS a cyclogram that dedocks the Russian module right before LOS is gained. Then they would console to orbit control what happens next for the next 15 critical minutes so that the cosmonauts had time to get into their Soyuz and "get the hell out of Dodge".

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Valhall

can this be orchestrated from the ground , or does it physically require the astronauts to take measures onboard the ISS
because if its the latter then there is no way the astronauts would abandon each other like that on orders from their governments ,arent they like a space brotherhood ?
There is no way they'd (the astronauts) allow it to happen and for the US space lab to burn up on reentry and cause an international incident.

If its the case that they can do this from space control at roscosmos then that is just shocking
and if they did that then its would be the worst space incident in history

Was thinking this too. I can't imagine either country's astronauts looking at the other and saying "see ya later, we're out of here, you're screwed, enjoy your incineration". Maybe it's just my narrowing faith in humanity but I still have a little left.

If they did try and do this why not counter with a ICBM threat to their descent capsule, tit for tat?

a reply to: mtnshredder

ICBMs could not do that. They fly from fixed ground point to fixed ground point. They have no capability to track a moving target.

You would need a satellite intercepter. It has been done once but with months of planning and all information known about the planned target.



I doubt the Russians would let the intercepter near the reentry path.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

It also would be a REALLY bad idea. It's a revenge hit.

a reply to: Valhall

Yes, but with all the unknowns about an unscheduled reentry, it is almost technically impossible. I doubt even an airborne laser system would be allowed close enough to the reentry path.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

I agree!

a reply to: mtnshredder

Id hope that the cosmonauts and astronauts would work something out to get everyone back to earth safely and show these asshole psychopaths in power that we work together even when they are determined not to


I can see it now its real life movie in the making

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: mtnshredder

Id hope that the cosmonauts and astronauts would work something out to get everyone back to earth safely and show these asshole psychopaths in power that we work together even when they are determined not to


I can see it now its real life movie in the making

Okay, I love the compassion shown on this thread. Lots of posters coming up with "save-the-day" camaraderie posts. UNFORTUNATELY, there's a whole lot of science and engineering that thwarts the movie style of how this goes down. When a new crew comes on board the ISS, the crew is not considered to have changed until the seat covers of the Soyuz have been installed for each new crew member. IN FACT, the new crew members cannot cross into the ISS until their seat covers are installed on the Soyuz. At that point new crew is in ISS. That's because the Russian Soyuz is designed to land where-the-#-ever, but mainly a land-based landing. The impact at landing is so severe that the seat covers, which have been created to mold around each specific crew member's body, have to be in place to protect the crew member from the severe impact and not "jelly" their insides. PLUS, there are only 3 seats on the Soyuz, so you can't put someone in your lap and hope that 7 people live through a Soyuz landing. The state of the current astronaut/cosmonaut transport system is NOT what the general populace envisions. It is antiquated. It is very body specific...and it is SMALL. Like more cramped than your SUV.

First off, been an age--or ten years--since I've had the opportunity to enjoy a thread authored by you. Oh, and welcome back!!!

Hopefully, when I reread this, I'll be able to comment further.

a reply to: seagull

Oh nice to converse with you as well, seagull. I look forward to your input, please!

a reply to: Valhall

ahh so there is no way they could bring them all down safely in an emergency situation ?

seems crazy that they dont have a redundancy in place to ensure the safety of all of the astronauts/cosmonauts

instead of just how many can fit into the soyuz as its only means of escape.

I guess they never foreseen the events unfolding on earth would ever threaten the safety of the astronauts/cosmonauts
or that theyd be used as pawns in an international game of politics but i guess thats the game they play anyway