Racism in Ukraine

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“I was like, ‘You are picking only white people!’” Orah said. He said he and his friends briefly made it onto a second train headed to Poland but were quickly kicked off, with officials telling them “Ukrainians only.”

Always look at the undercurrent.

As much as the world is cheering on the Ukraine right now, it's not perfect. Nowhere is, but I can say with 100000000000000000% if the shoes were switched I'd rather be a POC in the United States more than anywhere else. If there was a massive emergency, you know like 9/11, or whatnot, do you think there would be white folks not letting black people on an emergency vehicle? Maybe i'm naive, but I'd say in the vast majority of cases no. As much as we hate on the US, I think in times of real need we truly come through for each other regardless of race.

For the people saying the Africans and Indians should go to Russia.... ummm who do you think Russians are, they are literally the same genetic people as the Ukraine.

There are other thoughts too. Maybe Ukraine is not as racist as it's being portrayed, maybe it is just more propaganda, Maybe those trains are meant for women and children, and since Ukraine men needed to stay and fight, it put all other men in a precarious situation. Maybe the Ukrainians felt that foreigners were not as much at risk, therefore they could flee last?.......

a reply to: JAGStorm

Who cares?

A country invaded another country.

Period.

I remember getting lambasted by posters on this site when I was critical of Middle Eastern norms about raping young boys. I was told then, "It's their culture."

But NOW we get all "Rosa Parks" about Ukraine?

*Shakes head*

a reply to: DBCowboy

I remember getting lambasted by posters on this site when I was critical of Middle Eastern norms about raping young boys. I was told then, "It's their culture."

I'm not sure who lambasted you, but it wasn't me.

Who cares?

I think we should all care. It's part of the narrative/news that is out there. It is a war/conflict that has already involved us financially. Hopefully not in other ways. I think countries are drawing their lines in the sand, we might not want to think it's important, but it is.

I also see future wars happening possible with Russia/China/US over Africa...

It's not racism as much as it's "ethnicity" .

a reply to: JAGStorm

I think they have set their priorities. Among the top priorities for rail traffic is bring in gear from the EU and getting their women and children out.

Everybody else has a lower priority. I don't see racism in that.

Cheers

a reply to: JAGStorm

There very well may be more context behind what allegedly happened.

Or, maybe the people in charge had to make decisions on who got on. I can't imagine prioritizing people, I've never had to. Making decisions you full well know may mean life or death, and having to make those decisions instantly is a terrifying thought.

Or alas, maybe it was just because they were black. I mean, there are people like that everywhere.

But I'm sure this will be used for propaganda. Many know isolated incidents like this can change public perception around the world. Ironic that some would use the actions of a few to define a nation to "combat racism". That's literally discriminating against a whole people for the actions of a few.

Every nation has crime, every country has outliers. But I as an American can't use my everyday life lens to filter the actions of a country under siege. I have the luxury of doing the right thing most days because my life is super cushy.

originally posted by: Gothmog
It's not racism as much as it's "ethnicity" .

That isn't true, it's about race.

Ethnicity refers to language, beliefs etc.

Race is you are black, white etc.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

www.globalcitizen.org...

According to the Irish Times, an estimated 20% of Ukrainian students are African — Morocco, Nigeria, and Egypt are among the top 10 countries with foreign students in Ukraine — and it was African activists who initially started the #AfricansinUkraine hashtag to bring awareness to the issue of racism and discrimination. Since the hashtag was started, videos and images of Black and African citizens being denied evacuation from Ukraine have flooded global social media timelines.


One citizen even told the Independent that he and his family were denied entry to a bus on its way to cross the border, being told, “no blacks.”

a reply to: JAGStorm

Ethnicity refers to language, beliefs etc.

And your point ?
Thanks for proving my point , though .

Game
Set
Match.

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a reply to: JAGStorm

I read the part where 20% of their university students are from the third world and instantly know it conflicts with the rest.

Either that figure is wrong, or there's no way they can be racist as a culture if they're willing to educate people from less fortunate countries. I mean, a country at war for 8 years still accepts the less fortunate to educate them for better odds.

Like everything in this conflict... All the information is fast and loose. I'm skeptical of it all. The accuracy on reporting has been horrible, which to a degree is expected.

a reply to: Gothmog

And your point ?
Thanks for proving my point , though .

Game
Set
Match.

My point is the like quote above, Why are certain people, people who by all accounts are Ukrainian denied
access to leave? I feel especially bad for the children and students.

My other point is we have to becareful not to give this country God status. There are a lot of atrocities happening on both sides.

So the neo-Nazis are acting like neo-Nazis. No surprise.

Azov Battalion

Azov Special Operations Detachment, often known as Azov Detachment, Azov Regiment, or Azov Battalion, is a right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit, based in Mariupol, in the Azov Sea coastal region. It saw its first combat experience recapturing Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists forces in June 2014.

Ukraine: Inside The Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion

A far-right 'neo-Nazi' battalion has joined Ukrainian troops in their fight against invading Russian forces.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's 'special military operation' announcement continually referenced alleged Nazi elements in Ukraine, despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, a Jewish politician, beating out a non-Jewish candidate for the presidency by a huge margin.

Putin cited the alleged 'genocide against the millions of people living' in the Donbas region and slammed NATO states for 'supporting extreme nationalists and Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, who, in turn, will never forgive the Crimeans and Sevastopol residents for choosing reunification with Russia'.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Like everything in this conflict... All the information is fast and loose. I'm skeptical of it all. The accuracy on reporting has been horrible, which to a degree is expected.

I'll agree with that.
I will say, i've seen some really WEIRD stuff coming from the Ukrainian side.
This morning I showed my husband a video, it showed one part of the Russian convoy and Ukrainians confronting them.
Here's the weird part, one of the men standing was obviously............a manequin!
I think the person recording didn't realize the angle they had.

a reply to: JAGStorm

What's actually happening is that they are prioritizing people who have friends or relatives in neighboring countries.

The people who have somewhere to go are being allowed out first, as there aren't enough facilities set up to handle everyone else in the destination countries.

This has nothing to do with race, if you're in Ukraine and you're not Ukrainian then you should be seeking assistance from your embassy or consulate, not heading across the border randomly.

a reply to: AaarghZombies


Actually this is a good video.

They are being refused entry because they are not seen as Refugees but Asylum Seekers!!!!
It also did say only Ukrainian women and children.

a reply to: Boadicea

Perspective advised.

There are units of those kinds of goons in the Ukrainian national guard.

But overall the military there numbers some 200,000. The Azov and similar battalions are a drop in the bucket and hardly representative.

Cheers

a reply to: JAGStorm

That whole bit with asylum seekers has been made very problematic by the gaming done by Belarus over the winter, what with them bringing people from the Middle East and having them "magically" appear at the borders of the EU.

A cynic might even think that was a deliberate provocation meant to be a preliminary for what's going on now.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

A cynic might even think that was a deliberate provocation meant to be a preliminary for what's going on now.

I think the way I wrote the OP came out wrong, but you caught my drift...
I guess there is just too much that is happening that feels off!

a reply to: JAGStorm

Propaganda, there is minor fascist groups in every country these groups do not present the image of all citizens, Ukrainians just happen to be on focus in Russian news. A false reason why invasion happens.