Bob Lazar: There’s More to the Story

I don't personally talk about BL much, as he's not in that
different a position than millions of UFO believers since
1947.

There's been this PERVASIVE disinformation campaign,
that there is evidence of nuts and bolts UFOs and
biological aliens.

It's not that this is true, and the government is hiding
the little fellers and their advanced technology;

the truth is the null hypothesis, in that regard anyway,
but you can't use people as useful idiots unless you
can make them believe something bat# crazy..

large parts of the UFO community have been
'bennewitzed' for decades now, and BL is just
a more colorful example of this.

Now mind you, Bob seems to have had a hand
in creating many of his personal problems,
and for the most part really does want to
be left alone now.

I know that I don't like my personal blunders
waved in my face constantly.

Kev

originally posted by: Barabuss1
And just when they are prosecuting him...what good timing.

Who is prosecuting Bob Lazar and for what? Please elaborate, did I miss something?

I know his business was "raided" for records related to a murder investigation, but Bob Lazar wasn't accused of any wrongdoing related to the murder, that I'm aware of.

Bob Lazar Says the FBI Raided Him to Seize Area 51's Alien Fuel. The Truth Is Weirder

According to the Michigan State Police reports and United Nuclear Scientific's website, Lazar's company sells thallium, and the police search was intended to learn more about who he'd sold the material to. Lazar is not specifically listed as a suspect in the murder in the police documents.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

MM…..what AH HA moment are you seeking with this newest of many past BL threads? Just wondering what the end game of this particular thread is after everything that has been already written about BL.

I didn't author the blog. So I am only repeating what was said there. But for someone who wants to be left alone he's sure made himself a ton of money from videos, film rights and book rights over the past 32 years.

Why does ufology tolerate hoaxers, frauds and liars? Do people want to live a fantasy life believing in fairytales while hucksters like Lazar, Knapp, Corbell and all the other UFOtainment crowd benefit financially from other people's gullibility?

Surely we should expose the lies and seek only the truth?

Or are people afraid of the truth?

a reply to: mirageman

Do people want to live a fantasy life believing in fairytales

YES.

Or are people afraid of the truth?

Yes. They don't want to be just another subspecies
of chimpanzee, fated to live a relatively short life
full of pain and disappintment, only to die, in
a hostile universe that doens't give a crap about
them.

Now.. there's more nuanced views of those
statements..

But the gist is what people attempt to forget
on a daily basis, so their minds don't break.

Probalby why humans are wired for fantasy
type thinking as a self-defense mechanism,
or we might have already gone extinct
due to existential angst.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It is probably the reason we end up with the narcissist, sociopathic leaders in business and politics too.

Wiki says 'Occupation: Owner of United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies'. It's quite a stretch to believe such a low-level working would be allowed so close to a top secret project, and asking him to 'reverse engineer' anything makes it more unbelievable. There are far too many people WAY above his knowledge level that would be working on such a task, with far better chances of being successful.

Claims are he never profited from his story, yet he wrote a book about his 'experience', as well as producing a DVD which sold for $29.95. It seems his 'whistle blowing' has paid well.

I think it's more likely he's been a 'disinformation agent' to fuel the UFO phenomenon, diverting attention from black ops projects and testing.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It is probably the reason we end up with the narcissist, sociopathic leaders in business and politics too.

Yes.

This ability to completely disconnect from reality is both
a curse (as we've discussed) and a blessing, as the human
capacity to be creative is simply mammoth. You can't
have genius without madness as they say.

And yes, I observe there is still a bit of 'magic' in the world
(undiscovered science),

But it is most elusive.. and knowing this 'magic' that I do
does not make me enlightened or wise or rescue me from
death.. far from it.

Facing 'mundane reality' and 'death' CAN be just step
one of a marvelous adventure.

But yes, i'm just roadkill like anyone ever born. I wouldn't
have it be any other way.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I think he worked at Los Alamos, i think he was privy to 'secret' tech however his story was nothing more than a cover for the real work going on there.

Inconsistencies in stories are bound to happen as years pass, it's just a symptom of ageing.

Here's a video of Stanton Friedman on Bob Lazar. www.youtube.com...
Another video of Stanton Friedman discussion Bob Lazar while being attacked by snake oil salesman Jeremy Corbell. www.youtube.com...

I don't trust anyone that associates with Jeremy Corbell when it comes to UFO's.

a reply to: Echo007

Freelance filmakers don't make any money if they put
out boring debunking. Nobody pays for that.

a reply to: mirageman

I'd like to add my views about Bob Lazar but not on a personal level as I don't know him. The following may be considered off-topic but might make an interesting read anyway. In 1996 I bought a Testor's "Area S4 UFO Revealed" plastic UFO model kit. I still have it it boxed 'cause I never put it together. If you visit fantastic-plastic.com... you'll see what I bought and the site features photos of the original box with art and photos of the kit. At the site they include the model's history including the following:
"In the mid-1990s, former U.S. government physicist Bob Lazar made headlines when he revealed that, in 1988 and 1989, he had been employed at the Top Secret S-4 research facility adjacent to the fabled Area 51 Groom Lake facility helping to "reverse engineer" alien spacecraft. One of the ships he worked on he code-named the "sport model"; it was a classic "flying disc" purportedly powered by an anti-matter engine that allowed it to bend gravity. The craft had no landing gear, but simply rested on its flat bottom when not airborne. He claimed that this was just one of a half-dozen alien "flying saucers" with which the Air Force was continuing to experiment."

Here's my reason for my comments. The model is almost 100% identical to Eduard Albert Meier, commonly nicknamed "Billy", UFOs as seen in Meier's photos which have been claimed to be models he made. I'll reserve comments on that because I have my reasons to disagree.

However, how does Bob Lazar get mixed up in this when it is clearly seen that Lazar's UFO is identical to Meier's. Back then I wrote to Testors and not receive a reply. To this date I have never read anyone's comments about this. I'm the only one in the forums who tried to start a non-successful thread as no one seems to be curious enough to give a damn. Maybe it'll change here.

a reply to: idusmartias


I guess the model is just that, a toy, and whatever the manufacturer states in the description is just that: a harmless fantastic description. The mere statement "purportedly powered by an anti-matter engine that allowed it to bend gravity" is hilarious even for a first year student of physics.

Clearly, the toy is just merchandising from which Mr. Lazar benefits.

But your narration opens for me a deeper question: Why is someone named Eduard Albert nicknamed Billy?

originally posted by: idusmartias
Here's my reason for my comments. The model is almost 100% identical to Eduard Albert Meier, commonly nicknamed "Billy", UFOs as seen in Meier's photos which have been claimed to be models he made. I'll reserve comments on that because I have my reasons to disagree.

It's not clear what you disagree with, that the Lazar's model looks like Meier's model? Or that Meier's photos are hoaxes?

They do look very similar, and the evidence for Meier's hoaxing is nothing less than overwheling so I don't understand why you would disagree with either of those, or is it something else you disagree with?

However, how does Bob Lazar get mixed up in this when it is clearly seen that Lazar's UFO is identical to Meier's. Back then I wrote to Testors and not receive a reply.

I'm not sure what kind of discussion you're looking for here. You say you wrote to Testor, but they only made the Lazar model. It was a different company, Atlantis, who made the nearly identical Meier model. I suppose Atlantis could have tried to file a lawsuit against Testor for copying their design, but they would probably lose since Testor could rightly say their design isn't supposed to be a copy of the Meier model, but the source is instead Lazar. By the way, Testor dod some research trying to verify Lazar's claims. They looked for his MIT thesis and couldn't find it, as documented on this website:

Alienscientist research on Bob Lazar

If the evidence for hoaxing in the case of Meier and Lazar wasn't so overwhelming, I suppose one might wonder if the similarities was some kind of confirmation both saw a common craft. But, the evidence for both Lazar and Meier being hoaxers is beyond overwhelming, and I would guess whichever one came second copied the first one.

originally posted by: Echo007
Here's a video of Stanton Friedman on Bob Lazar. www.youtube.com...
Another video of Stanton Friedman discussion Bob Lazar while being attacked by snake oil salesman Jeremy Corbell. www.youtube.com...

I don't trust anyone that associates with Jeremy Corbell when it comes to UFO's.

The comments in the Corbell video were made by both Lazar supporters and Lazar detractors. But even the Lazar supporters found Corbell's childish emotional behavior more harmful to Lazar than helpful. So apparently you have lots of company in not trusting Corbell. Corbell says Knapp is his mentor...if so, Knapp needs to do a lot more mentoring to get Corbell to stop that kind of childish behavior.

I also bought Lazar's plastic UFO model by Testors and put it together. Remember that Lazar claimed that this sleek model was one of nine UFOs that he saw at Papoose. The others were not as futuristic-looking e.g., the "Top-Hat").

I had read that Lazar was fired by the contractor for using too much Government materials for his own personal projects like his jet car (which was published in the local newspaper and allegedly attracted Edward Teller's attention). Somebody please name me an accredited physicist who has built something similar by himself. He would have to be an accomplished welder and machine-shop technician. That's the different between physicists and engineers. The former are theory-oriented whereas the latter built things. (Granted, Tesla was an exception.)

Based on his comments and video interview where he denied to comment about Lazar, I think that Teller was involved in some sort of disinformation plot (along with Lazar) to divert attention from a super-secret discovery (a new power source or a "portal" ?). The same thing has been said about Roswell. I have archived Lazar's story at => www.stealthskater.com... . Some others have compared his designs to their own at => www.stealthskater.com... .

Off-topic, I found a 2002 Radio Shack catalog => www.stealthskater.com... .

originally posted by: Echo007
Here's a video of Stanton Friedman on Bob Lazar. www.youtube.com...
Another video of Stanton Friedman discussion Bob Lazar while being attacked by snake oil salesman Jeremy Corbell. www.youtube.com...

I don't trust anyone that associates with Jeremy Corbell when it comes to UFO's.

Lazar being your classic ufo grifter attracts other ufo grifters to his drifting like gravity itself, or shall we say in this case-- antigravity.

a reply to: stealthskater

I think you are on the right track.

There is a lot more to the Bob Lazar story than what people generally think imo. And its not alien space ships. Its allegory for various black projects. Just like the UFO subject in general.

originally posted by: stealthskater
Somebody please name me an accredited physicist who has built something similar by himself. He would have to be an accomplished welder and machine-shop technician. That's the different between physicists and engineers. The former are theory-oriented whereas the latter built things. (Granted, Tesla was an exception.)

Maybe that's a general distinction between physicists and engineers, but I don't think they are that easily compartmentalized. I don't grant Tesla was an exception, because I see him as a great engineer but a lousy physicist, or more accurately, not a physicist at all. Tesla denied even the overwhelming physics evidence of his day to make physics claims that physicists already knew were wrong.

However, Bob Lazar did list himself an an electronics engineer on his marriage certificate, so that's better evidence of him being an engineer than whether he could weld or not (welders can weld, doesn't make them engineers).



However I'm not sure he was really an engineer, because his training appears to be more in-line with that of technicians. That's linked here, which is a post that shouldn't be visited by those who worship at the altar of Bob Lazar, because it can destroy your faith, by showing even Lazar himself didn't claim to be a physicist on his marriage certificate, and other lies hw told:

Why does Rogan believe Bob Lazar ?

Based on his comments and video interview where he denied to comment about Lazar, I think that Teller was involved in some sort of disinformation plot (along with Lazar) to divert attention from a super-secret discovery (a new power source or a "portal" ?).

If Lazar's story had ended back in his time at the logistics support facility at area 51 (which doesn't require any security clearance according to Eric Davis), maybe the "victim of disinformation plot" hypothesis might have some plausiblity. But, that's not what happened, therefore the plausibility of that idea is not supported by Lazar and Corbell still lying to us about the reason that Lazar's business was raided. What Lazar's and Corbell's lies support is not Lazar being a victim of a disinformation plot, but rather they are the creators of disinformation in that example. I can't see Bob as a victim of a disinformation campaign, when he and Corbell are still knowingly lying to us in Corbell's documentary.

- Hinted at having element 115 decades ago providing zero physical evidence.
- Claimed to film 115 bending light providing zero visual evidence.

Here we are 33 years later and he still has yet to provide that visual or physical evidence. He has shown himself to be a liar regardless of his educational background or work history.

George Knapp has implicated himself by saying he has this video somewhere and saying he knows where 115 is buried.

Lazar has gotten away with this BS game for decades, Knapp needs to be held accountable as well.
It's that simple. If they won't give up the evidence they're both liars.

I found it interesting that Lazar was extremely critical about the Dan Burish story (Project Preserve Destiny - www.stealthskater.com... ) and went on to say that he saw no evidence of ET-biology research at S4 .

Lazar claimed that the gravity-B wave postulations were taught to him by his superiors (i.e., he did not personally discover those theories but did observe the results). He said that he was on the Project (Galileo) for about 6 months but only physically spent 5-or-6 days at the S4 facility. (I assume the rest of time was at a Denver or Los Vegas laboratory.)

He said that his major contribution to the Project was discovering a new way to determine the number of protons in the E-115 isotope as it had resisted all current standard methods.

Edward Teller adamantly refused to talk about Lazar on camera and yet he must have signed a release for that interview to be placed on Bob's videotape for sale. That's partly was fuels the disinformation theory.

(Off-topic, I finished a 6-month project to convert a 800-page textbook on Nuclear Reactor Engineering => www.stealthskater.com... . It was the best I've ever read. I minored in nuclear engineering in 1973. It was co-written by Samuel Glasstone who was a consultant to the old AEC (now DOE) and the USAF.)

CORRECTION: Dan Burisch was not associated with Project Preserve Destiny. That was USAF ELINT Sgt. Dan Sherman (www.stealthskater.com... ). "My bad", sorry.

Lazar said that the gravity amplifiers on the "Sport Model" operated in either the delta or omicron configuration. But I never saw a diagram of what these configurations were or how somebody came up with those names. I don't know if there are other possible configurations on the other alleged UFO craft.

He also said that the amplifiers rotated around their axis. And the plate to which they were attached also rotated at a frequency of ~ 7.48 Hz. But he never gave the frequency of the gravity-B wave which (I assume) was supplied to the waveguide which extended through the roof.

Coincidentally, the three different segments comprising the UNITEL quantum laser lens (for interstellar navigation) also rotate individually as well as the lens itself. See the book by Paul Kirsch for a picture (www.stealthskater.com... ).

Transport (kinetic) and Perturbation theory describe nuclear chemistry much more accurately than Diffusion theory. But the latter is what is used (at least in initial designs) to build nuclear reactors. The coefficients are easily determined by lab experiments and the equations are upscaleable to larger designs. Nuclear physics graduates flunk out of U.S. Navy reactor engineering courses because they can't accept the frequently semi-empirical equations which allow the Navy to build successful reactors.

Just because the physics of something is wrong doesn't mean that it won't work in the real world. Just that an accurate theoretical analysis is still pending. I built some electronic prototypes. Some parts baffled even Radio Shack's Forrest Mims but the whole thing works (for whatever reason). Perhaps deliberately propagating a false physics explanation would enable deniability if a working prototype was observed by enemy forces.