Just realizing the idea of WW 3 (an "end" / major global change) is hard or

"illogical" for many to comprehend or even think about because...

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"many things" in society keep people focused on some predictable, "safe or normal" future. Things like:

Retirement planning - IRAs, 401k, pensions, whatever

Planning for your children's educations - saving for their college years

Plans for climbing a corporate ladder (Or maybe one has already climbed to the comfortable position)

Plans for material wealth - bigger house by X age, etc...plans for paying off a mortgage by X years...

Imagining your children growing up and you in your old-age years of retirement on a golf course, or whatever

Looking forward to Human Missions to Mars

Society turning into some kind of Star Trek like future

what else?
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Maybe it's easier for those who have experienced a "significant ending" of some sort - earlier in their life to imagine WW3.
Parent, child, good friend, comrades in arms dying, or what have you. Having lived through a major war / conflict.

Of course...some are expecting Jesus, or the Mahdi or whomever, so thinking about an "end" (or major transition) is a lot easier or even welcome.

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It's like a mindset between those open to chaos/unpredictability vs those who filter such things out and things are just going to be like what their parents experienced (In USA at least, not Europe - which was affected more by WW 2 on the ground devastation).

A common retort would be "The world has been predicted to end many times, nothing happened. Y2K, 2012, asteroids, return of Jesus predictions, etc..NOTHING is going to happen. There won't be a WW3." Of course, this is a massive oversimplification of things.

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The more I realize this, the more I realize I should not talk about WW3 with most folks.

a reply to: dontneedaname

"The more I realize this, the more I realize I should not talk about WW3 with most folks."

You are absolutely correct.

a reply to: dontneedaname

All the things you mentioned are probably less preferable to you than WW3 and catastrophe. To those people, they’re more preferable. Both you and they are focusing on what they prefer.

I spent an hour this morning plotting the location of strategic targets in my area and based a the normal wind patterns, how to avoid fallout. I need a way out of the area and to my cabin without passing through a high rad zone. I grew up in the 60’s, duck and cover was a way of life.

I really didn’t want to think about this sh!t again. So much for retirement living.

a reply to: Nickn3

Somewhere out there FEMA did a couple scenario maps for 2000 and 500 target nuclear strikes.

Most nuclear weapons, assuming they're Russian and delivered by an R-36 ICBM will most likely be in the 500-750 kT range, though some may in the 20 MT range. Others launched from SLBMs will most likely be either 100 kT or 500 kT.

You can use the nuke map for your area to see how that would affect you in your planning.

EDIT TO ADD:

While trying to find the actual FEMA map I came across this. Looks like a lot of work was put into it for planning purposes.

US Nuclear Target Map

Map links to larger version.

It was also recently updated, only last month.

Forget thermonuclear war - one EMP will render the US of A powerless, and then it will fall to whoever like the proverbial ripe fruit.

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid
a reply to: Nickn3

Somewhere out there FEMA did a couple scenario maps for 2000 and 500 target nuclear strikes.

Most nuclear weapons, assuming they're Russian and delivered by an R-36 ICBM will most likely be in the 500-750 kT range, though some may in the 20 MT range. Others launched from SLBMs will most likely be either 100 kT or 500 kT.

You can use the nuke map for your area to see how that would affect you in your planning.

EDIT TO ADD:

While trying to find the actual FEMA map I came across this. Looks like a lot of work was put into it for planning purposes.

US Nuclear Target Map

Map links to larger version.

It was also recently updated, only last month.

Russia has a 20 MT weapon? That would be news to me. I would say most hitting the USA would NOT be Russian. They would be Chinese. But since the Russia-China alliance is deepening...who knows.

I can see a chain of events...Russia-Europe, India-Pakistan, the Koreas, Israel-Iran/whomever

....just looked up the R-36, I'm surprised the R-36 and it's R-28 replacement are LIQUID fuelled. Why have they not gone SOLID like China's DF-41? I need to watch some more videos of Russia's capabilities. Maybe I should check out France and UK too.


missilethreat.csis.org...

"The Mod 5 and Mod 6 (‘Voevoda’) entered into service in 1988, and only the Mod 6 remains operational as of 2016. The Mod 5 contained a single re-entry vehicle with an 8 MT warhead and an accuracy of 500 m CEP, with a range is 16,000 km."

if one believes that...all the earlier mods have been phased out. So no Megaton class weapons. You can rest easier. "Honey, the nukes have launched, but don't worry, they are all under 1 megaton!"

I haven't done much research on Russia's nukes...so thanks for mentioning it. 500-750 kt is still very large compared to avg smaller size of US bombs/warheads, no?



...just skimmed the Wiki on Russia nukes..mentions a 100 MT Russian nuclear torpedo to create a massive tsunami wave. WTF?

that's a nice FEMA map btw. Thanks. I personally think if/when WW3 goes off...the actual destruction will be much less and far short of "TOTAL WAR." It will be devastating no doubt, but relative to those target maps...we'd see less than half of the red that is on there.

We'll see.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Forget thermonuclear war - one EMP will render the US of A powerless, and then it will fall to whoever like the proverbial ripe fruit.

Yeah, I saw a NatGeo documentary on that one time. It was eye-opening.

If you accept there is a supernatural / higher force element to WW3, then that is one reason it won't be a total war. For what could / will be destroyed has already been calculated. "God" or whatever higher force you care to imagine is in control.

And why would this force want us to experience a nuke war...because it's a lesson in a much bigger picture, but no sense in talking about that now, let alone here.

Regardless, I like that Modern Survival Blog maps...lots of detailed research.

a reply to: dontneedaname

China does not have enough warheads to pose a great nuclear threat like Russia. China only has a few hundred warheads, Russia has thousands. In the FEMA scenarios, whether 500 or 2000 warheads, Russia is the adversary.

That's not the actual FEMA map that I posted above, however it is a close facsimile. I believe the FEMA map was also included in the link I posted as well.

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid
a reply to: dontneedaname

China does not have enough warheads to pose a great nuclear threat like Russia. China only has a few hundred warheads, Russia has thousands. In the FEMA scenarios, whether 500 or 2000 warheads, Russia is the adversary.

That's not the actual FEMA map that I posted above, however it is a close facsimile. I believe the FEMA map was also included in the link I posted as well.

Yes...but by the time China is ready to take Taiwan...late 2020s, they will have upwards of 1,000 warheads.

I like the Martin Vargic map.

Just looked up the actual FEMA map....yes, I see the diff now.

Same amount of warheads lobbed by China vs USA...lots more Chinese will die numerically speaking due to density/amount of Chinese. Same with Pakistan - India.

China Increasing Its Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Silos By A Factor Of Ten: Report


China has ~4x of population as USA. But it's more concentrated as well...take your pick of maps. Regardless...life going to be very different. Back to basics (most people don't think about where their food comes from, for example), changing priorities. Pursuit of materialism will fade. It's not "The End" it's just the end of a certain way of life. That's how I see it.

search.brave.com...

Our leadership is so out of touch with the needs of the people, perhaps it’s time for that great reset I keep hearing about. Is Joe Biden the one? Will Putin be the one to push the dreaded button? Or Xi ? It seems inevitable, just a matter of when?

The great reset could very well be to send humanity back to being a hunter, gathering culture. Gone are the great cities. Gone are the great houses of learning. The great institutions of healing would be cold, empty shells.

Bring on humanity slaving from daylight till dark for a meagre meal of beans.

The new “Great leaders” will be the ones that know how to build a shelter from the cold. Know how to live off of the land. Perhaps in a few hundred the New President can run on the platform, “ I know how to make soap!”

Maybe the answer is, it’s time to remove these ass holes from office? Replace the current leadership! But with who?