A destroyed U.S. will be the mark of the 2nd two-horned beast

No buying or selling throughout the U.S. will be when it is turned into a mark by Russia and China. It will be a monumental mark made out of a destroyed U.S. by Russia and China. These will double-team against the U.S.

World news will be how all other countries will receive this mark. Since the world mostly has an allegiance to the U.S., the world mostly will receive the mark in their allegiance (symbolized by "in their right hand or in their foreheads"). Revelation 13 basically indicates that the U.S. will be turned into a mark when it is destroyed by Russia and China.

The 2nd beast has two horns. Russia and China are the two horns. Soak that in!

After the mark is made, whoever doesn't worship the image of the 2nd two-horned beast should be killed. Should be killed doesn't mean will be killed, because something supernatural will occur in the final end.

And Rev 13 said number, not numbers... 18 is numbers when you count 666. 9 is the single number you get when you count 666.

6+6+6=18 (1+8=9)

So in my professional opinion, the destruction of the U.S. will be the 9th over here in the U.S.

We'll see though since the 9th is coming quicker than a mother!

WW3 will start and end quick, and the U.S. will lose in ww3, because whoever bombs first (Russia and China together) will do major damage first.

Another half-baked Scripture interpretation. No book/chapter/verse quotes? Some here probably don't know what the "two-horned beast" even is. Try to flesh your idea out before posting.

I often disagree with your posts and I believe your interpretation is somewhat off, IMO you are correct about the upcoming destruction of USA. Chinese Nuclear weapons will destroy USA. The damage will cause the Mississippi river to reverse its flow. The destruction will come from USA coastlines and intercepting the missiles will not work due to no time to respond. It will be quick and it will catch everyone off guard AND it will happen during this presidency. Meanwhile, Russia will gas the U.K.

a reply to: Claymation213

a reply to: Claymation213

nd the U.S. will lose in ww3, because whoever bombs first (Russia and China together) will do major damage first

Maybe they will do major damage first, but that will not save Russia and China from also experiencing complete destruction.

a reply to: Claymation213

Oh you feel it too.
unfortunately the USA is corrupted, most every country is so don't take it to hard.
the destruction happens from within china or russia as a country has little to do with that. These are board movements that go far beyond the players.

Let's just hope no eschatology driven individual is in control of the nukes.

a reply to: Claymation213

Good luck with that.

My country the united states of america is never going down!

We will watch all of you burn and rebuild on your ashes if we have to.

scraedtosleep: "My country the united states of america is never going down!"

Laz: History is littered with the remains of countries which boasted they would last forever and ever...

On the right track but still way off.

I expect at the end of the Olympics we will see a coordinated attack on Ukraine by Russia, Taiwan by China, South Korea by NOK and Israel by Iran.

I hope I am wrong

While I don't agree with your interpretation there does seem to be a prophecy predicating the destruction of the US. Daniel 8 and 11 predict that in the end times a powerful country that looked Greek to him would be attacked by 4 kings or countries from the middle east. Said country would counterattack and conquer 3 of them. Then afterwards that country would meet a disaster of some kind and fracture 4 ways.

I would propose that those prophesies have been running for quite some time now. Possibly as far back as Jimmy Carter's 79-80 hostage crisis. With the US playing the part of Greece.

So I would say the thing to watch for is Iran doing something that provokes Israel and the US into a counter-attack. And it goes nuclear. And that might explain the prophesies about Damascus becoming a ruinous heap of stones and the cedars of Lebanon burning.

Oh, and while there are those who say these prophesies already happened I would point this out. These Daniel prophesies specifically say they are end time prophesies. And while the BC era was many things it wasn't the end times.

originally posted by: ntech
Daniel 8 and 11 predict that in the end times a powerful country that looked Greek to him ...

I have advised you frequently that this line is erroneous.
What Daniel SEES is a goat. That is what the figure in the vision "looks like".
The identification of the goat as "the king of Greece" COMES FROM THE ANGEL, who is God's voice. It does not come from any human confusion.

If you don't accept the goat refers to Greece, how can you insist that the ram still refers to the country to the east of Greece? You can't have it both ways.

The US is one of the 2 horns in the Anglo-American empire. They are described as "horns like a lamb" (Rev 13:11) cause they're pretending to be the 'good guys' (even "Christian" nations), "but it [this beast] began speaking like a dragon." "It misleads those who dwell on the earth ... while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived." (Rev. 13:14) That image is the UN, formerly known as the League of Nations. The Anglo-American empire was instrumental in the formation of the UN. The wild beast that had the sword-stroke is referring to Satan's political system with which he has ruled the earth for thousands of years, the sword-stroke ( a symbol of war) that it survived is referring to WW I. Mind you, this is a different wild beast than the 2-horned wild beast. It has 7 heads and 10 horns instead. So the image of the wild beast that had the sword-stroke, is not the image of the 2-horned beast (that's the impression I got from the OP). The image likewise has 7 heads and 10 horns, and shows up later again in connection to Babylon the Great in chapter 17 (how you can tell that it's talking about the image in chapter 17 is elaborated on below). Actually, the woman called Babylon the Great (false religion) is described as riding this beast in chapter 17.

Ever since the inception of the United Nations, the principal religions of the world have pledged their support to that organization. Referring to its 50th anniversary, Pope John Paul II spoke of the United Nations as “the instrument par excellence for promoting and safeguarding peace.” His sentiments are shared by a global community of religious leaders.

Judging the Infamous Harlot (Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!)

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The Harlot Rides a Beast

... “And he [the angel] carried me away in the power of the spirit into a wilderness. And I caught sight of a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns.”​—Revelation 17:3.

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This wild beast has seven heads and ten horns. Is it, then, the same as the wild beast that John saw earlier, which also has seven heads and ten horns? (Revelation 13:1) No, there are differences. This wild beast is scarlet-colored and, unlike the previous wild beast, is not said to have diadems. Rather than having blasphemous names on its seven heads only, it is “full of blasphemous names.” Nevertheless, there must be a relationship between this new wild beast and the previous one; the similarities between them are too pronounced to be coincidental.

What, then, is this new scarlet-colored wild beast? It must be the image to the wild beast that was brought forth under the urging of the Anglo-American wild beast that has two horns like a lamb. After the image was made, that two-horned wild beast was allowed to give breath to the image of the wild beast. (Revelation 13:14, 15) John now sees the living, breathing image. It pictures the League of Nations organization that the two-horned wild beast brought to life in 1920. U.S. President Wilson had envisioned that the League “would be a forum for the dispensation of justice for all men and wipe out the threat of war forever.” When it was resurrected after the second world war as the United Nations, its chartered purpose was “to maintain international peace and security.”

In what way is this symbolic wild beast full of blasphemous names? In that men have set up this multinational idol as a substitute for God’s Kingdom​—to accomplish what God says his Kingdom alone can accomplish. (Daniel 2:44; Matthew 12:18, 21) What is remarkable about John’s vision, though, is that Babylon the Great is riding the scarlet-colored wild beast. True to the prophecy, Babylonish religion, particularly in Christendom, has linked itself with the League of Nations and its successor. As early as December 18, 1918, the body now known as the National Council of the Churches of Christ in America adopted a declaration that declared in part: “Such a League is not a mere political expedient; it is rather the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth. . . . The Church can give a spirit of good-will, without which no League of Nations can endure. . . . The League of Nations is rooted in the Gospel. Like the Gospel, its objective is ‘peace on earth, good-will toward men.’”

On January 2, 1919, the San Francisco Chronicle carried the front-page headline: “Pope Pleads for Adoption of Wilson’s League of Nations.” On October 16, 1919, a petition signed by 14,450 clergymen of leading denominations was presented to the U.S. Senate, urging that body “to ratify the Paris peace treaty embodying the league of nations covenant.” Though the U.S. Senate failed to ratify the treaty, Christendom’s clergy continued to campaign for the League. And how was the League inaugurated? A news dispatch from Switzerland, dated November 15, 1920, read: “Opening of the first assembly of the League of Nations was announced at eleven o’clock this morning by the ringing of all the church bells in Geneva.”

Did the John class, the one group on earth that eagerly accepted the incoming Messianic Kingdom, share with Christendom in paying homage to the scarlet-colored wild beast? Far from it! On Sunday, September 7, 1919, the convention of Jehovah’s people in Cedar Point, Ohio, featured the public talk “The Hope for Distressed Humanity.” On the following day, the Sandusky Star-Journal reported that J. F. Rutherford, in addressing nearly 7,000 persons, had “asserted that the Lord’s displeasure is certain to be visited upon the League . . . because the clergy​—Catholic and Protestant—​claiming to be God’s representatives, have abandoned his plan and endorsed the League of Nations, hailing it as a political expression of Christ’s kingdom on earth.”

The dismal failure of the League of Nations should have signaled to the clergy that such man-made organs are no part of a Kingdom of God on earth. What blasphemy to make such a claim! It makes it seem as though God was a party to the colossal botch that the League turned out to be. As for God, “perfect is his activity.” Jehovah’s heavenly Kingdom under Christ​—and not a combine of squabbling politicians, many of them atheists—​is the means by which he will bring in peace and have his will done on earth as in heaven.​—Deuteronomy 32:4; Matthew 6:10.

What of the League’s successor, the United Nations? From its inception, this body has also had the great harlot riding on its back, visibly associated with it and trying to guide its destiny. For example, on its 20th anniversary, in June 1965, representatives of the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, together with Protestants, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims​—said to represent two thousand million of earth’s population—​assembled in San Francisco to celebrate their support and admiration of the UN. On visiting the UN in October 1965, Pope Paul VI described it as “that greatest of all international organizations” and added: “The peoples of the earth turn to the United Nations as the last hope of concord and peace.” Another papal visitor, Pope John Paul II, addressing the UN in October 1979, said: “I hope the United Nations will ever remain the supreme forum of peace and justice.” Significantly, the pope gave very little attention to Jesus Christ or to God’s Kingdom in his speech. During his visit to the United States in September 1987, as reported by The New York Times, “John Paul spoke at length about the positive role of the United Nations in promoting . . . ‘new worldwide solidarity.’”

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a reply to: whereislogic

As lost as a turnip in an apple cart.

It is AWAKE interpretation taken from so called Scholars, who could not rightly divide a scripture to save their life.

And all you do is REPEAT the false teachings of AWAKE as if it is Gospel truth.

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: ntech
Daniel 8 and 11 predict that in the end times a powerful country that looked Greek to him ...

I have advised you frequently that this line is erroneous.
What Daniel SEES is a goat. That is what the figure in the vision "looks like".
The identification of the goat as "the king of Greece" COMES FROM THE ANGEL, who is God's voice. It does not come from any human confusion.

If you don't accept the goat refers to Greece, how can you insist that the ram still refers to the country to the east of Greece? You can't have it both ways.

Riddle me this Batman. You do realize the angel Gabriel is stating the battle of the ram and goat occurs in the 21st century there in Daniel 8 right? Here's his statement.

Daniel 8

15And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
16And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
18Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
19And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

He's stating that the vision of the ram and goat battle happens at the time of the end. But when is that? Daniel 9 tells us this.

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And in the rest of the chapter it's explained that the 70 weeks are split up into 7 then 62 and finally 1 week. The time of the end is the 70th week. And that hasn't happened yet. Why? Unfinished Business. Look at verse 24. All of the transgression must be finished before the 70th week can conclude.

So when does this happen? Look at the day of Jezreel prophecy in Hosea and then specifically at the prophesies timeline in verse 6-1 and 2.

1Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2nd Peter 3
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This 2000 year curse in Hosea is part of the indignation in Daniel. Therefore the battle of the ram and goat occurs in the 21st century because the death of Jesus Christ and the destruction of the Jewish temple occurred in the 1st century AD.

Say what you want. The BC era was not the time of the end. The "time of the end" is the 21st century AD.

a reply to: ntech
How does that affect his statement about who the competitiors were?
Perhaps the angel was seeing China, and was confused by the fact that it "looked like" Persia.
Once you start interfering with the wording to make it fit the conclusion you want, there is no logical place to stop.

Some other prophencies to wet your appetite's..

Rabbi Vilna Gaon (18th Century)... "When you hear that the Russians have captured the city of Crimea (aka Ukraine), you should know that the times of the Messiah have started, that his steps are being heard. And when you hear that the Russians have reached the city of Constantinople (now known as Istanbul, Turkey), you should put on your Shabbat clothes and don't take them off, because it means that the Messiah is about to come any minute.".

The stigmatist Elena Aiello (1960) ... "Russia will march upon all the nations of Europe, particularly Italy, and will raise her flag over the dome of St. Peter's. Italy will be severely tried by a great revolution, and Rome will be purified in blood for its many sins, especially those of impurity. The flock is about to be dispersed and the Pope will suffer greatly."

St. Pope Pius X's vision 1914 ... "I have seen one of my successors, of the same name, who was fleeing over the dead bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite, he will die a cruel death.". St. Pope Pius X's first name was Giuseppe which matches the Pope Benedict XVI first name of Joseph (Italian of Giuseppe). Pope Benedict XVI is 94 and in poor health.

a reply to: DISRAELI

In 550 BC when about the time the prophesies of Daniel were written Daniel himself probably was well educated for the time. BUT. There would be no knowledge whatsoever of the Americas. Also what Daniel was describing was visions. Also sealed to the end times.

So I would propose that the references to Greece are similes. Not actual Greece but a simple one word description of something that looked Greek to Daniel. How else could 550BC Daniel describe the 21st century attack on Washington DC? He probably thought he was looking at 21st century Athens from the vision.

Also because the prophecy was sealed by Daniel and by God himself some intentional misleading was intended.

originally posted by: ntech
In 550 BC when about the time the prophesies of Daniel were written Daniel himself probably was well educated for the time. BUT. There would be no knowledge whatsoever of the Americas. ... Not actual Greece but a simple one word description of something that looked Greek to Daniel.

How many times must I point out that Daniel DID NOT SEE anything that "looked Greek". He saw a goat. The information about the identity of the goat CAME FROM THE ANGEL. So what Daniel could have known is irelevant.

a reply to: DISRAELI

You are wrong.

What not to much action on your own threads?

So you come into this thread to basically say to people that Daniel was not a prophet.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
No, I came to say to people that Daniel's prophecies should not be misinterpreted.
Scripture is inspired by God, but false understandings of scripture based on failing to read the text are not inspired by God.

What you don't seem to comprehend is that the visions are describing events of the 21st century. How would you describe a country that doesn't exist yet in one word with the limited knowledge of the 500 BC era? And yet make it apply to a separate event only a few hundred years in Daniel's future? Daniel is describing a sealed vision. How would he actually know what he is talking about?

Daniel 11
2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.
4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

Daniel 8

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Also as of right now Daniel is 3 for 3. But the prophecy says the kings of Media and Persia. It implies that "Persia" or today's Iran will be the 3rd country to fall in the middle east. And if it does then I fear this statement made in Matthew 24 applies to that. Because once you kill the ram what have you? A carcass. Just how awful are the days of the tribulation of the carcass?

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Daniel 12

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. The 21st century.