The Smoking Gun: DMED Whistle Blower Data Released - It's Shocking

originally posted by: shaemac
Now what?

It's actually weird how no one is disagreeing with it. Is there some sort of ats filter turned on?

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Excellent and important thread!

I believe there’s definitely some dirty deeds at play. But if I may, just to play devils advocate I’d like to ask a probably dumb question:

…The attorney Tom Renz says that this data acts as a control group… I’d disagree with that - I’d say it’s simply the accurate data we’ve been lacking. My problem is that there is no control group and that this accurate data itself is in desperate need of a control group; a significant group within the military that were not given vaccines, but instead were as vulnerable to contracting Covid as anyone else in society.

Then we could see which pathologies are a result of the vaccine and which are likely due to other factors. Of course those ‘other factors’ would be Covid. Data this accurate would then give us precise numbers on who contracted Covid; when, which variant etc.

Otherwise, although fingers may now point at the vaccines, how do we really know for certain that some, many or all of these recorded pathologies were not caused by covid, long covid, delta, omicron, reinfection, combined infections etc.

Sadly I can see this lack of a control group being a grey area that Pharma lawyers can use to nullify the power of this data. Can it be proven that myocarditis can not be caused by Covid as well as the vaccine? Can the nervous system issues not be attributed to Covid as well as the vaccine?

I’m by no means trying to debunk this important evidence - it demands a full public enquiry into the data, the reporting of the data and the connections between those controlling the reporting and the pharma coops profiting from the vaccines. Hopefully a reply will inform me why I’m being a numpty and there is indeed data establishing a ‘control’.


ETA:

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's actually weird how no one is disagreeing with it. Is there some sort of ats filter turned on?

You spoke too soon! Sorry 😬🍻

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: shaemac
Now what?

It's actually weird how no one is disagreeing with it. Is there some sort of ats filter turned on?

There is a point where even the most ardent will look around and say, "Either thousands and thousands of people are just lying about their experience, or maybe the entities (gov't, big pharma, etc.), which have a long history of gross violations of the people's trust, may have manipulated things under the guise of good intentions"

Some will put all their faith in the government and people Fauci all the way to the end -- because they are afraid, or want power, or.... Most will see that this was something less than transparent -- that people, medical professionals, and family members, were demonized and ostracized and people died or had great loss not because of covid, but as a result the "cure" or mitigation tactics when their personal freedoms and choices were invalidated.

The truth is somewhere out there, and there are valid points from many sides, but the idea that this was all above board, "incredibly" safe and effective is falling apart like tissue.

a reply to: Halfswede
So many things you said in that reply are true to my own observation. It is not incredibly safe or even appearing safe at all based on what data we can get our hands on we can trust. CNN, Governors, Tyrants in other nations are all pushing on anyway. If the people pushing for population reduction (by any means necessary seems to be their method), then they are living up to their ideology they profess on paper and in the videos of their members explaining how "it will be".

I see the fulfilment of their wishes and we are their fodder. Pop your head up like Joe Rogan and the Marxist attack dogs are out in force like the scum they are.

How dare we seek the truth that destroys their lies!

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Awesome post.

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: Halfswede
So many things you said in that reply are true to my own observation. It is not incredibly safe or even appearing safe at all based on what data we can get our hands on we can trust. CNN, Governors, Tyrants in other nations are all pushing on anyway. If the people pushing for population reduction (by any means necessary seems to be their method), then they are living up to their ideology they profess on paper and in the videos of their members explaining how "it will be".

I see the fulfilment of their wishes and we are their fodder. Pop your head up like Joe Rogan and the Marxist attack dogs are out in force like the scum they are.

How dare we seek the truth that destroys their lies!

What I don't understand is that a lot of these people must know their actions/policies will effects their families and friends. Do they just not care, or am I missing something?

I remember seeing a post on here about someone tracking the batches and what percentage of reactions each batch was having. I'd love to see the military reaction by batch for soldiers who got the shot from the military vs civilian outlets. It would be interesting to see if the specific military batches have a higher rate of problems vs the general population batches. Maybe like someone wanted to harm / weaken our military for nefarious reasons

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Excellent and important thread!

I believe there’s definitely some dirty deeds at play. But if I may, just to play devils advocate I’d like to ask a probably dumb question:

…The attorney Tom Renz says that this data acts as a control group… I’d disagree with that - I’d say it’s simply the accurate data we’ve been lacking. My problem is that there is no control group and that this accurate data itself is in desperate need of a control group; a significant group within the military that were not given vaccines, but instead were as vulnerable to contracting Covid as anyone else in society.

Then we could see which pathologies are a result of the vaccine and which are likely due to other factors. Of course those ‘other factors’ would be Covid. Data this accurate would then give us precise numbers on who contracted Covid; when, which variant etc.

Otherwise, although fingers may now point at the vaccines, how do we really know for certain that some, many or all of these recorded pathologies were not caused by covid, long covid, delta, omicron, reinfection, combined infections etc.

Sadly I can see this lack of a control group being a grey area that Pharma lawyers can use to nullify the power of this data. Can it be proven that myocarditis can not be caused by Covid as well as the vaccine? Can the nervous system issues not be attributed to Covid as well as the vaccine?

I’m by no means trying to debunk this important evidence - it demands a full public enquiry into the data, the reporting of the data and the connections between those controlling the reporting and the pharma coops profiting from the vaccines. Hopefully a reply will inform me why I’m being a numpty and there is indeed data establishing a ‘control’.


ETA:

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's actually weird how no one is disagreeing with it. Is there some sort of ats filter turned on?

You spoke too soon! Sorry 😬🍻

The way I see it is that there is a huge issue either way. Either, the database was wrong the whole time, meaning the military is extremely unwell (60% have always had neurological disorders?) and the millions of dollars spent to keep the data accurate were useless. If this is true than the cases of cancers and pulmonary embolisms occurring in the young healthy military are 3-4x higher than the unhealthy general population. That doesn't make sense, but if that's true then it's still just as big of a story as the vaccine causing the issue. Either way... something isn't right...

originally posted by: BadRandy217
I remember seeing a post on here about someone tracking the batches and what percentage of reactions each batch was having. I'd love to see the military reaction by batch for soldiers who got the shot from the military vs civilian outlets. It would be interesting to see if the specific military batches have a higher rate of problems vs the general population batches. Maybe like someone wanted to harm / weaken our military for nefarious reasons

how bad is my batch

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: Halfswede
So many things you said in that reply are true to my own observation. It is not incredibly safe or even appearing safe at all based on what data we can get our hands on we can trust. CNN, Governors, Tyrants in other nations are all pushing on anyway. If the people pushing for population reduction (by any means necessary seems to be their method), then they are living up to their ideology they profess on paper and in the videos of their members explaining how "it will be".

I see the fulfilment of their wishes and we are their fodder. Pop your head up like Joe Rogan and the Marxist attack dogs are out in force like the scum they are.

How dare we seek the truth that destroys their lies!

What I don't understand is that a lot of these people must know their actions/policies will effects their families and friends. Do they just not care, or am I missing something?

Maybe someone made sure they got the jab and something wasn't the same with their batch, and they can't believe the truth of others because it doesn't compute? Every major media outlet but one are doubling down on how we all must get this jab series or we deserve to not enjoy life.

I say that because many people got into medicine with a kind heart. I can't imagine kind hearted people turning evil. They have been duped. It is the ones at the top who see the numbers and know better then hold back the data that I have a problem understanding.

originally posted by: BadRandy217
I remember seeing a post on here about someone tracking the batches and what percentage of reactions each batch was having. I'd love to see the military reaction by batch for soldiers who got the shot from the military vs civilian outlets. It would be interesting to see if the specific military batches have a higher rate of problems vs the general population batches. Maybe like someone wanted to harm / weaken our military for nefarious reasons

Thanks that was the theme of my last reply concerning the batches might be different and those not hurt by the shot think the rest of us are full of crap.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Excellent and important thread!

I believe there’s definitely some dirty deeds at play. But if I may, just to play devils advocate I’d like to ask a probably dumb question:

…The attorney Tom Renz says that this data acts as a control group… I’d disagree with that - I’d say it’s simply the accurate data we’ve been lacking. My problem is that there is no control group and that this accurate data itself is in desperate need of a control group; a significant group within the military that were not given vaccines, but instead were as vulnerable to contracting Covid as anyone else in society.

Then we could see which pathologies are a result of the vaccine and which are likely due to other factors. Of course those ‘other factors’ would be Covid. Data this accurate would then give us precise numbers on who contracted Covid; when, which variant etc.

Otherwise, although fingers may now point at the vaccines, how do we really know for certain that some, many or all of these recorded pathologies were not caused by covid, long covid, delta, omicron, reinfection, combined infections etc.

Sadly I can see this lack of a control group being a grey area that Pharma lawyers can use to nullify the power of this data. Can it be proven that myocarditis can not be caused by Covid as well as the vaccine? Can the nervous system issues not be attributed to Covid as well as the vaccine?

I’m by no means trying to debunk this important evidence - it demands a full public enquiry into the data, the reporting of the data and the connections between those controlling the reporting and the pharma coops profiting from the vaccines. Hopefully a reply will inform me why I’m being a numpty and there is indeed data establishing a ‘control’.


ETA:

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's actually weird how no one is disagreeing with it. Is there some sort of ats filter turned on?

You spoke too soon! Sorry 😬🍻

The way I see it is that there is a huge issue either way. Either, the database was wrong the whole time, meaning the military is extremely unwell (60% have always had neurological disorders?) and the millions of dollars spent to keep the data accurate were useless. If this is true than the cases of cancers and pulmonary embolisms occurring in the young healthy military are 3-4x higher than the unhealthy general population. That doesn't make sense, but if that's true then it's still just as big of a story as the vaccine causing the issue. Either way... something isn't right...

But it's not just between those two options: The database being wrong, or the vaccines causing it. There's the third variable of the virus itself causing these things.

The amount of anecdotal testimony we see daily on ATS would suggest it's indeed the vaccines at fault here. But without that control group of non-vaccinated within this military database it can't be said for certain that it's the vaccines. My sad point is that's all tptb need in order to ignore this.

originally posted by: McGinty

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Excellent and important thread!

I believe there’s definitely some dirty deeds at play. But if I may, just to play devils advocate I’d like to ask a probably dumb question:

…The attorney Tom Renz says that this data acts as a control group… I’d disagree with that - I’d say it’s simply the accurate data we’ve been lacking. My problem is that there is no control group and that this accurate data itself is in desperate need of a control group; a significant group within the military that were not given vaccines, but instead were as vulnerable to contracting Covid as anyone else in society.

Then we could see which pathologies are a result of the vaccine and which are likely due to other factors. Of course those ‘other factors’ would be Covid. Data this accurate would then give us precise numbers on who contracted Covid; when, which variant etc.

Otherwise, although fingers may now point at the vaccines, how do we really know for certain that some, many or all of these recorded pathologies were not caused by covid, long covid, delta, omicron, reinfection, combined infections etc.

Sadly I can see this lack of a control group being a grey area that Pharma lawyers can use to nullify the power of this data. Can it be proven that myocarditis can not be caused by Covid as well as the vaccine? Can the nervous system issues not be attributed to Covid as well as the vaccine?

I’m by no means trying to debunk this important evidence - it demands a full public enquiry into the data, the reporting of the data and the connections between those controlling the reporting and the pharma coops profiting from the vaccines. Hopefully a reply will inform me why I’m being a numpty and there is indeed data establishing a ‘control’.


ETA:

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's actually weird how no one is disagreeing with it. Is there some sort of ats filter turned on?

You spoke too soon! Sorry 😬🍻

The way I see it is that there is a huge issue either way. Either, the database was wrong the whole time, meaning the military is extremely unwell (60% have always had neurological disorders?) and the millions of dollars spent to keep the data accurate were useless. If this is true than the cases of cancers and pulmonary embolisms occurring in the young healthy military are 3-4x higher than the unhealthy general population. That doesn't make sense, but if that's true then it's still just as big of a story as the vaccine causing the issue. Either way... something isn't right...

But it's not just between those two options: The database being wrong, or the vaccines causing it. There's the third variable of the virus itself causing these things.

The amount of anecdotal testimony we see daily on ATS would suggest it's indeed the vaccines at fault here. But without that control group of non-vaccinated within this military database it can't be said for certain that it's the vaccines. My sad point is that's all tptb need in order to ignore this.

The issue is that this kicks in at exactly 2021, and 2020 showed lower numbers than even 2019. Are we saying none of this issues would have shown up in 2020?

The DoD acknowledged the numbers being recorded before were incorrect by a factor of 10x. So that's the official story.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

The DoD acknowledged the numbers being recorded before were incorrect by a factor of 10x. So that's the official story.

This is ridiculous. Any competent analyst would determine the standard deviation and standard error of the data and include it in the results. If the data was that far off by a factor of 10, then the whole data set should be thrown out and the study redone.

The Excel sheet doesn't include data on vaccine administration. But it seems the assumption is that the increase in injuries was caused by vaccine side effects. That needs to be determined conclusively because there's a very real possibility that it's something else like Havana Syndrome. I'm not saying that's what it is, but without correlated vaccine administration data, no conclusion can be assumed as to what is causing the extreme uptick in disease.

I hope the Senator is able to extract some information from the DOD. He should invoke the FOIA if necessary.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0
I’m obviously 100% morally with you on this. But I’ll keep up the devils advocate shenanigans: could a pharma (or whomever is in the dock) lawyer say that for all we know the changes in variants could explain these pathologies not kicking in until 2021.

It’s not the strongest argument, but we know how nitpicky these lawyers will be to end the case, or at least kick it into the long grass. They’ll ask for it to be proven that a variant couldn’t have caused all of these conditions.

My counter to that would of course be to ask them to prove it wasn’t (although I don’t think they’d be required to prove a negative in this case). But perhaps that could start a conversation that leads to them having to release that currently locked vaccine info to court 75 years earlier than they’d intended.

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
I’m obviously 100% morally with you on this. But I’ll keep up the devils advocate shenanigans: could a pharma (or whomever is in the dock) lawyer say that for all we know the changes in variants could explain these pathologies not kicking in until 2021.

It’s not the strongest argument, but we know how nitpicky these lawyers will be to end the case, or at least kick it into the long grass. They’ll ask for it to be proven that a variant couldn’t have caused all of these conditions.

My counter to that would of course be to ask them to prove it wasn’t (although I don’t think they’d be required to prove a negative in this case). But perhaps that could start a conversation that leads to them having to release that currently locked vaccine info to court 75 years earlier than they’d intended.

Pfizer's attorneys seem to be sufficiently alarmed that they have added language to their financials that unfavorable disclosures could be on the way.

www.zerohedge.com...

originally posted by: SentientBunnySuit

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
I’m obviously 100% morally with you on this. But I’ll keep up the devils advocate shenanigans: could a pharma (or whomever is in the dock) lawyer say that for all we know the changes in variants could explain these pathologies not kicking in until 2021.

It’s not the strongest argument, but we know how nitpicky these lawyers will be to end the case, or at least kick it into the long grass. They’ll ask for it to be proven that a variant couldn’t have caused all of these conditions.

My counter to that would of course be to ask them to prove it wasn’t (although I don’t think they’d be required to prove a negative in this case). But perhaps that could start a conversation that leads to them having to release that currently locked vaccine info to court 75 years earlier than they’d intended.

Pfizer's attorneys seem to be sufficiently alarmed that they have added language to their financials that unfavorable disclosures could be on the way.

www.zerohedge.com...

This deserves a thread of its own.

originally posted by: SentientBunnySuit

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
I’m obviously 100% morally with you on this. But I’ll keep up the devils advocate shenanigans: could a pharma (or whomever is in the dock) lawyer say that for all we know the changes in variants could explain these pathologies not kicking in until 2021.

It’s not the strongest argument, but we know how nitpicky these lawyers will be to end the case, or at least kick it into the long grass. They’ll ask for it to be proven that a variant couldn’t have caused all of these conditions.

My counter to that would of course be to ask them to prove it wasn’t (although I don’t think they’d be required to prove a negative in this case). But perhaps that could start a conversation that leads to them having to release that currently locked vaccine info to court 75 years earlier than they’d intended.

Pfizer's attorneys seem to be sufficiently alarmed that they have added language to their financials that unfavorable disclosures could be on the way.

www.zerohedge.com...

Great thing today the stock market went up and the Vax Company stocks were tanking from 5-10 % in value today.

a reply to: SentientBunnySuit

Good news - I’m hoping to be proven wrong! The cynic in me dares not hope for transparency until the fat lady sings (am I still allowed to say that?)