Knapp and Kelleher interview regarding Skinwalker, UFO's and the Hitchhiker effect

Kind of surprised I haven't seen this here yet. Podcaster Curt Jaimungal had them both on, talking about what N.I.D.S found, experiences, with a large chunk addressing the hitchhiker aspect many have experienced, whether from just being on the ranch, to experiencing UFOs elsewhere with no connection to the ranch. A lot of it is stuff we've heard before, some not. It's a shade over 2 hours long. Joe Murgia tweeted about the discussion on cattle mutilations

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Kelleher: "In one of those very rare cases where the mutilators made a mistake, Captain Keith Wolverton of the police department in Great Falls, Montana, was able to recover the evidence. It occurred when a metallic glint caught his eye as he and a veterinarian turned the
animal over during the necropsy of a mutilated cow in a pasture twenty miles from Great Falls. Lying directly underneath the carcass was a large-gauge needle. There was really no other reason for a large-gauge needle to be lying under a mutilated cow in a remote
pasture except if it had been used and dropped by mistake at the scene of the crime. For Wolverton, it was one of those rare 'aha moments. When he showed me the needle, I immediately recognized it as a standard issue, large-gauge needle of the type I had used for
obtaining blood samples from the jugular veins of large animals if I wanted a very healthy flow of blood into my collection vessel. It would have been pretty easy to hook it into a catheter and a pump and to exsanguinate the animal in less than half an hour.

I enjoyed hearing Colm talk at length, man know his stuff

Here's the video of the interview

Been watching Skinwalker Ranch and haven't decided how much is BS and how much is real science. However, still makes me go back in time when George and Art ruled on C2C. Still love reading and watching the old docs.

a reply to: Gothar

Just my opinion, I feel the science is good, but the show is obviously somewhat scripted by necessity. Probably quite a few re enactments so the audience understands things, as well as the TV cameras not filming 24/7 to catch those "as it happened" moments.

a reply to: vlawde

Maybe, just maybe. Raw animal blood plasma.

a reply to: Gothar

Been watching Skinwalker Ranch and haven't decided how much is BS and how much is real science

Just the fact the US gov't spent so much money investigating the ranch is interesting. The gov't does not invest like that without reason. I've read the SkinWalkers in the Pentagon and it is an interesting read to say the least. I do recommend the book for what it's worth.

Thanks for the recco!

I have never seen the Skinwalker Ranch show, these shows tend to drag on too long with no real info (Ancient Aliens anyone?!?!) but I did first hear about the Ranch from and enjoyed the book: Hunt for the Skinwalker back in the day !


a reply to: hangedman13

originally posted by: vlawde

For Wolverton, it was one of those rare 'aha moments. When he showed me the needle, I immediately recognized it as a standard issue, large-gauge needle of the type I had used for obtaining blood samples from the jugular veins of large animals if I wanted a very healthy flow of blood into my collection vessel. It would have been pretty easy to hook it into a catheter and a pump and to exsanguinate the animal in less than half an hour.

Thanks, I've put it in the queue for later. From the above am I to assume they're identifying human perpetrators in cattle mutilations?

a reply to: The GUT The majority of them, yes. But there still were some they couldn't figure out.

a reply to: vlawde

There’s a show airing (season 2) on Discovery titled Mystery at Blind Frog Ranch.

The premise of the show is a Father and Son team of treasure hunters looking for Aztec and Spanish gold.

The Irony of this show is that the Blind Frog Ranch is in the area of the Skinwalker Ranch!

And they encounter strange goings on as well. They also see aerial phenomena.

Below is a sample….imo, the object in the sky is triangular or pyramid in shape.

If ya have not seen the show….give it a look see

From season 2 episode 3. “Diving Blind”



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I've watched Blind Frog Ranch. I mentioned how the Skinwalker show has some re enactments, and I'm ok with that. Blind Frog ranch seems to have almost all re enactments and scripting, There are fundamental errors in the cave scuba diving, the box and more - even the woman's death mentioned in this season's first episode was framed as just having happened between season 1 and 2. Some have researched this, and discovered this actually happened years ago. And the ex 'cop' they hired to investigate that and the hidden camera they found is an actor. He's used in several shows, as a ghosthunter and other roles, and has taken part in comicons. To me, BFG does not seem very legit, plus they have tours, a gift shop etc to cash in on the notoriety from the show.

There are two Facebook groups about Skinwalker Ranch. One is about the the ranch specifically, the other about the show and shared the show's title. There is also a group for the Blind Frog Ranch show, where in part people talk about some inconsistencies in the show. Worth checking out if you have an interest and would like to discuss the shows. All three pages are run by Ryan Skinner, who used to post here under the handle Hiii (if I recall correctly)

a reply to: vlawde

I don’t have any doubts that Skinwalker, Blind Frog and Oak Island and others, are of a mix of reality and scripted.

It comes down to what the Producers think will keep the audience continuing to watch.

For instance, some of the dialog between the characters could be genuine unrehearsed dialogue when they say it as they say it. As far as the characters go, they believe in what they are saying……BUT, if it’s not something the producers agree with or it needs to be said differently, then they’ll shoot a retake using the producers own wording dialogue which sounds mysterious and suspenseful etc. Its not exactly how the characters originally said.

If you get my meaning.

I take all these entertaining shows with a grain of salt. I have mentioned, if anything was earth shattering news when they were first taping the show, then it should have made National news right then. Not wait for the next season of the show to air in the next future programming cycle 4-8 months in the future.

Oak Island and Blind Frog are airing now. These shows were taped many moons ago. Have you seen any headlines in the major news about any major discoveries when they were being taped?? Next season’s Skinwalker is probably in post production, now. Have we heard in the major network news any major discoveries while taping??

You’d be hard pressed to find an unrehearsed, unscripted documentary-reality type show that is live as you watch it once a week. No retakes, and with screwups included…… what you see is what you get. In other words a Live Raw show.

Even your live daily news is scripted to be put on teleprompters.

All these shows have some fakeness to them, it’s just entertainment.

Reality shows are quasi reality.

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a reply to: vlawde

I've never posted this on ATS before, but I did phone interview
a person who said he had experienced the 'hitchhiker effect'
from the Ranch back some years ago. I also did a consult
with him and his family.

I am fully and totally retied from such things, but I just thought
that I should report, that some people take this quite seriously.

Hell, I experienced it myself, after talking to him on the phone..
it jumped from his family to mine.

Now, is this topic full of BS and narrative-control? I say it is.

But at it's core, i've experienced this 'hithhiker effect' my entire
life.

Kev

Wow, I had little idea it was so 'contagious'. It was asked during the interview how far this phenomena could spread, and they didn't know. But a family member's kid was affected, and in turn some kids at his school were as well and their general neighborhood. I'd guess there is some limit to it, or everyone would be having experiences

a reply to: vlawde

The MUFON experiencers study listed a number of factors, related to
experiencers. I have some observations as well. But frankly, and fortunately
in my experience only a very small number of people seem prone to it
to any marked extent.

At time mark 1:090:43 CK mentions the 'cone of silence' when he saw a strange critter.
That happened during my CE5 too. Frankly, if someone doesn't mention the cone of
silence, or a hundful of other markers, I flat out won't beleive them. It's that
ubiquitous.

Kev