Looks Like The Priests Of The Temple Of Fauci Got It Wrong.

a reply to: chr0naut

Well, as long as you stay locked out of the rest of the world's activities everything will be rosy.
FYI your death percentage -- 53 is 0.34866127228472% of 15201
USA -- 925832 is 1.1869283425435% of 78002350.

The USA has said only 5% had just covid-19 95% had on average 4 other comorbidities.
So being generous and say 10% were OF and not with - that would make the USA death as 0.11869283425435%

Less than yours. OOPs

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

Well, as long as you stay locked out of the rest of the world's activities everything will be rosy.

New Zealand are still trading, and selling, and are about to open up to tourists again.

We have some solutions to the problems, so we'll go with that.

In fact, the company I work for has been making a bundle, manufacturing and selling to the US. The companies in the US then package the bulk product up as if it was made there.

LOL.

a reply to: chr0naut

Thank you so much for your off topic drivel . The lockdowns didn’t work . What can you not grasp about it . I’m here for that . Also dr Fauci gave gain of function testing knowledge and millions of dollars to the evil communist Chinese government lab in wuhan . Then their virus “escaped “from there causing a panic they started with the help of the msm .
They’ve locked us all down for 2 years and forced ignorant people like yourself to take their worthless “vaccine” 3 times even though you live in the middle of nowhere and have no friends or family to get it from. You want to talk of prisons ? Yes I’m living in one now .

I would like to congratulate you though chronut. You are so free that it makes us all so jealous of how free you are . It is also so gracious of you to fight for our freedoms as hard as you do . You are a hero for freedom and someday they will build statues of you across the world. Haha . We know you’re the biggest supporters of the idea of fascism on here. You can talk freedom all you want . Your last 4000 posts told us otherwise

a reply to: chr0naut

they are isolating everyone before entry not open Quarantined.. Your as open as a Prison of war solitary confinement block.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

Well, as long as you stay locked out of the rest of the world's activities everything will be rosy.
FYI your death percentage -- 53 is 0.34866127228472% of 15201
USA -- 925832 is 1.1869283425435% of 78002350.

The USA has said only 5% had just covid-19 95% had on average 4 other comorbidities.
So being generous and say 10% were OF and not with - that would make the USA death as 0.11869283425435%

Less than yours. OOPs

I was trying to calculate my odds of getting COVID-19 and dying. So as I have not had COVID-19, I was comparing it to the total population of New Zealand, of whom I am one. To suggest my chances of getting the disease relates to the difference between those who have died, and those that have the disease. The measurement of dead / infected is not relevant to myself as I am in another group entirely (those who have never had COVID-19).

If you want to measure things on an equal footing, the total deaths in the US attributed to COVID-19 are 902,478 (according to the Johns Hopkins dashboard) and the total population of the US is 332,484,614 (according to the censu.gov population clock) This means that an uninfected US citizen has a 0.2714% chance of becoming infected and dying from COVID-19. This means that someone in the US is 262.7 times more likely to die of COVID-19 than I am.

Working:

In my case: ( 53 / 5,126,000 ) x 100 = 0.001033 %
In the US case: ( 902,478 / 332,484,614 ) x 100 = 0.2714 %
Comparing the two: 0.2714 / 0.001033 = 262.7

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

they are isolating everyone before entry not open Quarantined.. Your as open as a Prison of war solitary confinement block.

Every one of New Zealand's MIQ facilities are fairly nice tourist hotels. Since the hotels have lost tourist business, and they are all located near transport hubs like airports, and they are all air-conditioned, serviced, adequately ventilated, and compartmentalized to prevent cross infection from happening, it makes sense to use them as MIQ facilities.

New Zealand's Managed Isolation Facilities

Here's the first four off the list:

Crowne Plaza Hotel
Four Points by Sheraton Auckland
Grand Mercure Auckland
Grand Millennium Auckland

No POW solitary confinement blocks at all.

Besides which, if all goes well, they will be back to being tourist hotels again in a few days.

originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: chr0naut

Thank you so much for your off topic drivel

Not off topic, I was responding to statements in your previous post.

. The lockdowns didn’t work . What can you not grasp about it

The lockdowns here in New Zealand eliminated all cases of COVID-19 in the general public three times. We had no vaccines, no monoclonal antibody treatments or any antivirals for COVID-19 at the time. The lockdowns worked here.

What can you not grasp about that?

The initial lockdowns also worked in France, Italy, and China, helping to bring a wildly spreading number of cases under control. Australia and Vietnam both did OK against COVID-19 before the Delta strain, but not so well with that strain, or with Omicron. Australia also took two weeks to lock-down after Delta had been confirmed in the community - that's a bit too long, especially for a contagious disease.

Denmark, Norway and Finland locked down, and they didn't have the runaway number of deaths that Sweden (which didn't lock down), did. By the time Sweden did lock down, things were already way out of control.

. I’m here for that . Also dr Fauci gave gain of function testing knowledge and millions of dollars to the evil communist Chinese government lab in wuhan

Fauci was head of the CDC which approved funding for EcoHealth Alliance a few times. They are an American group, who farmed out research where there was cheap labor. Fairly typical way Americans do business, from what I have seen.

There was also a moratorium against GOF research from October 2014, and the ban was removed in December 2017.

Can you tell me whose administration had been in office for nearly a year before that happened? I'd reckon that guy should be held accountable - the one who sold everyone down the river to make a quick buck - every time.

. Then their virus “escaped “from there causing a panic they started with the help of the msm .

It probably wasn't a lab leak. The earliest cases did not start near the lab, or the wet market, or even in the city. They were rural. And there is also the problem that the lab was studying bats and bats cannot catch SARS-CoV-2 because bats have different ACE2 receptors to humans, and ACE2 receptor binding is entirely how SARS-CoV-2 infects.

Also, are you suggesting that the MSM's reporting about a disease, aided its spread? Surely it would have the opposite effect?

They’ve locked us all down for 2 years

No, they locked you guys down for 2 years. For most of that time New Zealand had no lockdown, because we didn't have the disease in the community. That's the advantage of taking the right steps in a timely manner. Things get sorted, and then you don't need to keep shutting the gate like it will change the fact that the horse has already bolted.

and forced ignorant people like yourself to take their worthless “vaccine” 3 times even though you live in the middle of nowhere and have no friends or family to get it from. You want to talk of prisons ? Yes I’m living in one now .

My choice to vaccinate was entirely voluntary. No-one forced me. There are some Omicron cases near me, like walking distance, 1 city block away. So I'm not entirely isolated.

And I can't talk to your specific situation, because I have no knowledge of it. But ask yourself, does the punishment fit the crime, and would you want to undo things if you could? You can't really do any of that from 'inside'.

I would like to congratulate you though chronut. You are so free that it makes us all so jealous of how free you are . It is also so gracious of you to fight for our freedoms as hard as you do . You are a hero for freedom and someday they will build statues of you across the world. Haha . We know you’re the biggest supporters of the idea of fascism on here. You can talk freedom all you want . Your last 4000 posts told us otherwise

1st US case of COVID-19 was January 19, 2020. 1st US lockdown was in California on 19, March. Two months delay! How could it not have worked?



And there are already statues of my relatives. Not really sure I'd want one. Ridiculous things that get s#@t on by pigeons (the statues, not the relatives).

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Which has nothing to do with whether or not Fauci lied, deaths were increased due to treatments lied about, and whether or not these strict lockdowns did more harm than good, which data shows they did.

Fauci gave what he believed was the best medical advice with what was known at the time. When new information came to light, he changed his recommendations. He is a bureaucrat who took the fall for an ineffectual administration that refused to take advice and then blamed everyone else when things went horribly wrong. The current administration is not so 'blamey' and has inherited the situation left by the previous administration.

bs, that dog don't hunt. thats like the killer claiming he has a mental disorder. both think it's an easy out. prove it.


you fauci guys have killed more americans than the civil war. at least the slaves were freed.

a reply to: chr0naut

So the lack of free movement is ok as long as it is a posh prison.

a reply to: chr0naut

The lockdowns here in New Zealand eliminated all cases of COVID-19 in the general public three times.

Lol do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? If it had worked the first time there would have been no need for a second or third time...

If the jabs worked there would be no need for a second or third or endless boosters and they would prevent you from catching it and passing it on!

The cognitive dissonance is strong in you.

originally posted by: chr0naut

. The lockdowns didn’t work . What can you not grasp about it

The lockdowns here in New Zealand eliminated all cases of COVID-19 in the general public three times. We had no vaccines, no monoclonal antibody treatments or any antivirals for COVID-19 at the time. The lockdowns worked here.

What can you not grasp about that?

Why didn't the lock downs work in other nations? And will your government continue this approach indefinitely? Covid is still here, what will you do next year? Lock down again?

a reply to: chr0naut

What a silly question!

The perps did it the same way humans have always done it--they conspired to do this, as all the facts and evidence show.

The World Economic Forum has been raising "world leaders" since 1972 at least. Graduates of their world leaders program include Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, Bill Gates and Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand.

A plain old-fashioned conspiracy amongst powerful humans.

a reply to: network dude

Sweden didn’t even have a lockdown and now look at the mess they’re in! Oh wait..

a reply to: surfer_soul

New Zealand is an island. If they are able to make sure nobody comes in, and no body leaves who wants to come back, and they can keep that policy in place forever, they will be able to stop any outside viruses from getting in. Sure they will end up as stone age hunter gatherers, speaking in grunts and uggs, but at least they won't have the flu.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: chr0naut

The lockdowns here in New Zealand eliminated all cases of COVID-19 in the general public three times.

Lol do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? If it had worked the first time there would have been no need for a second or third time...

If the jabs worked there would be no need for a second or third or endless boosters and they would prevent you from catching it and passing it on!

The cognitive dissonance is strong in you.

Each and every time we had an outbreak, it came in from overseas travelers.

We had a mandatory quarantine period on all international travelers, but people bypassed or left the quarantine facilities (probably because they weren't prisons), or service workers got exposed and started a new outbreak among the general public.

That sort of thing happens sometimes when you aren't under lockdown, which was my point.

And vaccines work to effect immune responses. They cannot stop you being exposed to a pathogen if it is around you, and it takes time for your immune system to fight the disease. So the idea that any vaccines work by some sort of instant protective magic is just ignorant.

a reply to: chr0naut

If they continue calling these covid-19 injections vaccines, we're going to need a new word for real vaccines.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

. The lockdowns didn’t work . What can you not grasp about it

The lockdowns here in New Zealand eliminated all cases of COVID-19 in the general public three times. We had no vaccines, no monoclonal antibody treatments or any antivirals for COVID-19 at the time. The lockdowns worked here.

What can you not grasp about that?

Why didn't the lock downs work in other nations? And will your government continue this approach indefinitely? Covid is still here, what will you do next year? Lock down again?

No, we have vaccines, monoclonal antibodies, and antivirals now, and have changed our proposed future responses to match the new medicine. However, if we have clear indication that the new mitigations aren't working, of course we will have another short-term lockdown, while we figure out why.

Delta and Omicron strains are indications that the nature of COVID-19 is changing, becoming less deadly and more infectious, as all the epidemiologists and virologists suggested, and so the response needs to change.

Remember that the killer 1918 'Spanish' flu only lasted three years. It was countered because people gained natural immunity against it. We have vaccinations now, as well as the less deadly, more infectious strains of COVID-19, which can speed that whole population immunity process along.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

So the lack of free movement is ok as long as it is a posh prison.

Sure, whatever.

A prison with free wi-fi, room service, a licensed restaurant, a gym, swimming pool, Sky TV, and a mini-bar.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

If they continue calling these covid-19 injections vaccines, we're going to need a new word for real vaccines.

Why? There are already lots of types of vaccines.

I don't think any of them use vaccinia virus anymore. Only the smallpox vaccine used that and smallpox has been eradicated.

Perhaps they are all not vaccines?

You should start a protest against American dictionary definitions. I suggest that you should start calling them "inoculations" because the word is already in use and the alternate, "immunizations", sort of implies that they might proffer complete immunity in the feeble minded.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: chr0naut

What a silly question!

The perps did it the same way humans have always done it--they conspired to do this, as all the facts and evidence show.

The World Economic Forum has been raising "world leaders" since 1972 at least. Graduates of their world leaders program include Angela Merkel, Justin Trudeau, Bill Gates and Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand.

A plain old-fashioned conspiracy amongst powerful humans.

What about North Korea, China, Laos, Cuba, Vietnam, and Russia? How did they get them to play along with all these EuroAmerican elites?

Also did you realize that the WEF is a non-governmental, private sector globalist business conference?