UK Data shows vaccinated people under 60 twice as likely to die as unvaccinated

According to the official data from Office of National Statistics from the UK, since around May of 2021, between the ages of 10 to 59, people in the UK that are vaccinated have deaths rates twice as high as than those who were unvaccinated.

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This on its own doesnt prove vaccines are the reason for this, but it certainly seems like the most likely possibility.

How monsterous will governments around the world have been if they forced younger people to take this vaccine, and it ended up making them twice as likely to die?

a reply to: Grambler

safe and effective my ass

a reply to: Grambler

There is this article set on disproving it.

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There are other "fact check" articles as well. Has anyone pushed back on the fact checks with tighter focus on specific age groups vax vs no-vax?

originally posted by: TrollMagnet
a reply to: Grambler

There is this article set on disproving it.

leadstories.com... l?fbclid=IwAR0yG80YdD0EKLmXhpvyw5XPwVsyFLtU0gVWpyhYOkyP9_v1yvGa3mXrQEg

There are other "fact check" articles as well. Has anyone pushed back on the fact checks with tighter focus on specific age groups vax vs no-vax?

Considering "fact checkers" are simply big pharma PR, that's expected. Take any negative study or article against the mrna vaccine and you'll find a "fact check" for it. It's actually comical at this point.

a reply to: TrollMagnet

This doesnt seem to make any snese

Here is the hypothesis

The age group 10-59 is massive

10 year olds are less likely to be vaccinated, and less likely to die, therefore it skews the results by showing vaccinated people are more likely to die, when in fact thats only because they are older.

Several things seem to push back against this explanation.

First, the change in the vaccinated being more likely to die only happened in May of 2021 and going forward. So in the months of Jan, Feb, March, April; wouldnt it also be true the younger were less likely to be vaccinated and thus itd show up as it is now, that the vaccinated (older people based on this explanation) have a higher death rate? Yet it doesnt.

In addition, a look at the data shows that it separates vaccinated status into first dose, days after first dose, second dose, days after second dose, etc.

www.ons.gov.uk...

(go to table 4 under the most recent data)

So lets just look at one month post May 2021.

We'll take July

The per capita death for unvaccinated is 1479.9

Now the per capita death rate for the following

Within 21 days of first dose 857.6

After 21 days of first dose 4701

Within 21 days of second dose 1751.5

After 21 days of second dose 874.8

If the explanation was "well the vaccinated population tends to lean older" we shouldnt see this type of disparity between different types of vaccinated people. So it seems something else must be factoring into this.

We now know that the vaccines we currently have acording to official explanations are more limited against Omicron. If that is the case, and taking them makes you more vulnerable to other causes of deaths, then forcing them on people, particularly the young and healthy is horrid.

All effective vaccines take 4 to 6 doses in less than one year……

a reply to: just4fun

So. What’s the threshold on doses a vaccine goes from being a vaccine to a prescription…..

a reply to: neutronflux

Soon to be an over the counter vaccine..

The night-time sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, fever, so you can rest vaccine

a reply to: Grambler

There are more possible explanations though. We do not have enough data.

For example, if fat people get vaxxed much more frequently because they are in poor health, that also skews numbers. I would assume more people 30-60 who get vaxxed are in much worse health than the people at this point who still refuse.

The only age group that will effectively show whats going on is 30 and younger. Ideally, 5-20ish years old. We need a very healthy subset to compare against the control. Due to the lack of data that would be needed to really crunch the numbers, the only way I see around that is to use demographics where the overall health is agreed upon as being very good with very little death from natural causes.

Because people in the 30+ age group actually have legitimate heart attacks, strokes, and other things, it is extremely difficult to figure out what the cause is for each. A younger age group would fix that problem. That is what I want to see. We also have a much larger control if that age group is used.

The 30-60 age group is pretty much worthless because we do not have enough data to compare apples to apples, and so many people are really fat, and that is not in the data. It all seems that way by design, so they need to be beat at their own game using groups so healthy that no one can argue they should be dying from natural causes of any type.

At this point the most solid evidence we have of the damage the vax does is statistical and spread over large groups where "experts" argue other causes due to the large sample size. So the group needs to be young and healthy to preempt the attacks about the unhealthy people, or any of the other arguments used to try and argue the shots are safe.

This stuff I am pointing out is why this research from November was brushed aside.

And healthy people of all ages the covid-19 vaccine has enabled More death than covid-19 itself.

We should soon see this reflected in the CDC statistics as January comes to an end and the full set of data for 2021 is put online.

a reply to: TrollMagnet

So I have found more data that I think is worthwhile, but ill answer some of what you say here.

First on the fat people part.

While true it could be more likely that people of varying health and risk groups may be more likely to take the vaccine, and thus more likely to drive up the mortality rate for that group, it doesnt answer my previous post.

Why would these people be more likely to take the vaccine in say May of 2021 rather than March of 2021? And if they were likely to also be more likely to be vaxxed in March of 2021, why doesnt the data show the vaccinated being more likely to die then?

As far as the 30 to 60 age range, this data set does in fact differentiate from covid deaths vs others.

a reply to: Grambler

DATA....

data is nothing more than a statistical model composed and interpreted by someone with an agenda.

You know what they say about statistics, don't you?

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Grambler

DATA....

data is nothing more than a statistical model composed and interpreted by someone with an agenda.

You know what they say about statistics, don't you?

Sure

Hence why we should be against mandates based on data

a reply to: Grambler

How monsterous will governments around the world have been if they forced younger people to take this vaccine, and it ended up making them twice as likely to die?

Governments around the world expected fauci and crew to act with beneficence, in fact they rather than sought a second opinion, they went with a guy who lied to congress about gain of function.

Governments around the world have the opportunity to wash their hands of fraud fauci and his maleficent crew. Will they take the initiative?
That's left to be determined.

Though with mortality still climbing, they seem scared to come clean...becoming even more complicit, if that's possible.

🙏❤

If this could be proven, which people who are high up in the agencies governing this who have promoted vaccine mandates will fight tooth and nail, they should bring charges against humanity against those who tried to mandate these vaccines or pushed them as safe and effective.

Remember, these people are supposed to be experts, a true expert would require long term testing on the vaccines before releasing them to the public.

These vaccines, in fact this whole pandemic response, did not save anyone, they have twisted the evidence to show it did, but in honest interpretation it may have just extended people's lives maybe six months to a year with the lockdowns and mandates. The vaccines do benefit some of the older people, but for most who do not have conditions that make them susceptable for the virus going covid 19, it may actually increase their risk of complications for some people.

originally posted by: Grambler
According to the official data from Office of National Statistics from the UK, since around May of 2021, between the ages of 10 to 59, people in the UK that are vaccinated have deaths rates twice as high as than those who were unvaccinated.

alexberenson.substack.com...

This on its own doesnt prove vaccines are the reason for this, but it certainly seems like the most likely possibility.

How monsterous will governments around the world have been if they forced younger people to take this vaccine, and it ended up making them twice as likely to die?

Is this per capita, because if not...
No dog in this fight, just see alot of improper math, used to paint pictures, either way.

a reply to: Grambler
If that is true it is horrible.
The vax info should be transparent.

perhaps the virus was released in order to mandate taking the vaccine and not the other way around.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Grambler
According to the official data from Office of National Statistics from the UK, since around May of 2021, between the ages of 10 to 59, people in the UK that are vaccinated have deaths rates twice as high as than those who were unvaccinated.

alexberenson.substack.com...

This on its own doesnt prove vaccines are the reason for this, but it certainly seems like the most likely possibility.

How monsterous will governments around the world have been if they forced younger people to take this vaccine, and it ended up making them twice as likely to die?

Is this per capita, because if not...
No dog in this fight, just see alot of improper math, used to paint pictures, either way.

Yes its per capita

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Grambler

DATA....

data is nothing more than a statistical model composed and interpreted by someone with an agenda.

You know what they say about statistics, don't you?

Sure

Hence why we should be against mandates based on data

Absolutely, I've never been a supporter of the pandemic quarantines, lockdowns, or forced jabs.
I lost a 100k yr. retail, wholesale, mfg business because of the lockdowns.

I don't support Qanon BS either like many on this site; using questionable data to support their agenda driven false conclusions.