Time to adjust our prayers - call on God for the downfall of the planners, influencers & enablers.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

As it would appear that you wish us to believe that you desire to make things as clear as you can

I don't think I can make it much clearer.

do you think you could make this clearer for some of us dullards?

You state.

There's no call to kill anyone - if you had read carefully you would see that the only action I called for was peaceful resistance.

That, in and of itself, is pretty clear. However you also state this.

Example, a strong Christian brother My good brother prayed silently in his heart (for he was very angry, yet didn't want to display his anger openly, to any of us who were with him) "God, please take vengeance against that man, what he just did was totally unjust & disruptive".

Twenty minutes later that man was stabbed in the gut by a homeless guy who'd gotten into a blazing argument with him who had wrecked our table. That was a powerful lesson that you don't ever call down the wrath of God, because it is powerful & deadly only to be used in the event that the circumstances are so dire that you have no other choice.

Even here, there is no need to clarify. It is a clear statement that a call to your Lord for vengeance only to be used in the event that the circumstances are so dire that you have no other choice because of it's power and deadliness. However, before you could even finish that paragraph of caution, you caveat with this.....

In our case now, if the light is to survive in a world which is growing darker by the day - we NEED to pray like that, and feel comfortable with doing so, knowing it is our only option if we wish to survive & preserve our culture, preventing the 'Great Reset' they wish to foist upon us.

'' In our case now''
You then go on to call for vengeful prayer in these exhortations.

But we also pray for the absolute, uncompromising downfall

This was accented in bright white letters. What is ''absolute'' and ''uncompromising downfall''? Death is

Those who are totally bought into the narrative & the eugenics philosophy underpinning it should come to ruin, with extreme prejudice, with extreme efficacy & basically right NOW.

This as well was highlighted and once again the word ''NOW'' was capitalized. What is extreme predudice and extreme efficacy? Death is.

You then follow up with this passage from your Bible

Vengeance is Mine; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; for their day of disaster is near, and their doom is coming quickly.”

For the LORD will vindicate His people and have compassion on His servants when He sees that their strength is gone and no one remains…

Here, you suggest that your breathen call for doom for those you see as your enemies. What doom? Death is.

and ask God, even if you don't know Him through a personal friendship, just ask Him to execute vengeance

Here once more you ask for people to pray for God to EXECUTE vengence. Interesting choice of words right there, execute.

I don't know as you really need to clarify more than you already have. You are calling upon your God, your most powerful weapon against your enemies to execute them. To kill them. To wipe them from the face of the Earth. You set that tone to begin with with your example of how prayer for vengeance can work.

But even if, your God does not want to answer your prayers, does not intervene with slaughter of your enemies like you call for, how long will it be before others who believe like this decide that, ''we are the tools of God. We are the hands of God chosen to be the weapons against the non-believers. How long until they take to strapping vest bombs to their chests and walking into movie houses showing movies they believe to be ungodly?

a reply to: Mandroid7

You've misinterpreted what I was saying to the other participant. He was calling me a terrorist for believing in God & calling people to pray for the downfall of evil men & women. He claimed that my religious belief was dangerous. I simply replied to him saying that atheism is equally dangerous in the minds of warped people. Not every atheist is a school shooter, just as every Muslim is not a suicide bomber. The point is, he was claiming that my belief in itself was somehow aberrant & dangerous - I merely pointed out that all belief systems are equal in the hands of lunatics.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

When you put it like that, I can see how my fervour could be open to misinterpretation. Basically, I want the plandemic to end. I want it to end ASAP. I believe that God sometimes intervenes in human affairs for a righteous cause. Defending the world from the maniacs at the top of the Great Reset tree has got me hyped up & angry beyond belief, after month on month of statistics about how many have been killed & maimed by these bioweapons.

When a group of conspirators deliberately targets the weak & innocent with deadly weaponry, of whatever sort, the usual course of action for right-standing men & women is to go to war to defeat them & prevent the atrocities which they are unleashing. I'm not calling for people to go to war, but I am saying it's justified in this situation, even though I actually only call for prayer of the sort described by Incoserv on page one of the thread. He said it much better than me, but even though we aren't permitted to seek vengeaance, we are permitted to pray for decisive victory over our enemies, who are killing children & pregnant women/ fetuses with the BS jabs.

I think people have taken my comments way out of context here, but I do understand that the nuances of a scriptural belief system can be difficult to fully get with if you're not familiar with the ins & outs of a religion. The cliff notes are thus: Apologies for allowing my passion to boil over somewhat - just pray for the downfall of the true evildoers - God knows who they are, it is not our task to go 'sort 'em out', He is perfectly capable of making decisions about how their life trajectory follows on from this point.

But again, why is everyone siding with the murdering scum who are orchestrating the plandemic with absolutely no remorse, fully set on a eugenics belief system..? Look at who we're talking about here - the makers of death shots & their cronies in government & media, with the elitists behind the lot of them. These are not people to lose sleep over, and we are permitted to pray that their evil schemes will no longer come to fruition. However God decides to engineer the answer to these prayers is entirely up to Him.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

If anybody asks you "What would Jesus do?", remind them that braiding a whip out of leather cords, throwing over tables and chasing people with the whip is not outside the realm of possibilities.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

The biggest issue is that they have lifted themselves up against God, attempting to usurp the throne of the Eternal Sovereign. Just listen to them talk. They say openly that they will re-shape humanity in their own twisted image, that they will be gods. All the rest - the murders, the control, the perversion, the unbridled evil flows out of that.

I have always believed that "the abomination that causes desolation ... standing in the holy place" referred at least in part (most of those prophetic utterances have layered meanings) refers to a moment when humans attempt to put themselves in God's place. These are the ones whom we are justifiedv in hating "with a perfect hatred."

Prey for Gods will to be done.


1 Timothy 2:1-2 - I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

1 Peter 2:17 - Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

Romans 13:1 - Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Jeremiah 29:7 - Also, seek the peace and prosperity of the city to which I have carried you into exile. Pray to the LORD for it, because if it prospers, you too will prosper.

2 Chronicles 7:14 - if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

If anybody asks you "What would Jesus do?", remind them that braiding a whip out of leather cords, throwing over tables and chasing people with the whip is not outside the realm of possibilities.

He had the authority to do that in his Fathers house.

We are to turn the other cheek and be patient and wait.

There is one final clarification I wish to add, which I realise I neglected to comment on in the OP, and this may have led to a gross misinterpretation of my intent.

I said that my Christian brother had prayed against the particular individual mentioned in the anecdote as being aggressive & destructive towards us. I did not mention that when the guy was stabbed, we were utterly horrified, and when my brother confessed that he had prayed against that individual, we were dumbstruck by the magnitude of the implications, and he was mortified by his potential role in what had unfolded.

I'm sure that, having not explained this in the OP, many of you may have thought we were rejoicing over the fate of that individual - I must assure you, we were not, not at all. The takeaway from this incident was the terrifying implications of calling down the wrath of God. The whole thing may have been an absolute coincidence, but what we learned was that in effect, judgement which might have unfolded in the future, for a set of actions carried out by a perpetrator, when prayed against by a devoted brother or sister, could potentially be delivered 'early', in the sense of 'instant karma'.

Of course we were not ignorant of the fact that praying in such manner might lead to judgement against us - the mechanics of imprecatory prayer were not at all apparent to us back then. I can assure you of one thing - neither one of us ever tried anything like that ever again, and I'm writing 23 years after the fact.

I hope this helps to calm the feelings down somewhat. In hindsight, I wrote my OP while I was in a rage about some of the statistics & news stories coming out regarding the death rate of vaxxed children, the maiming injuries experienced by others - I should never have written whilst still reactively angry, it exacerbated my responses to the situation, and certainly I can see how several of you thought I was calling for prayer to kill every perpetrator. I assure you I was not - I was simply hoping for judgement which would render the perpetrator fully cessating their actions, cogniscant of what they had done, why it was wrong, why it could not continue. Yes, in some cases I admit I would want to see the death penalty, and obviously that came across in my writing - but it was not my overall hope for the outcome - in the majority of cases, simply some way to STOP them, no matter how that would unfold, according to the unerring perfect will of God, who would know all the details of the circumstances, their involvement & their personal crimes, hence being able to render perfect judgement in a manner that no human could ever ascribe themselves.

I sincerely hope this clears up some of the anger that some of you felt towards me when reading my somewhat 'firebrand' rant. I don't wish death on functionaries of the conspiracy - only on the worst offenders, God knows who they are, I have no idea, and I would never counsel anyone to take up arms against unknown conspirators, because yes, that would lead to a crusade mentality. In some ways, we need a crusade, but we could never execute one with any hope of success, we would have no idea of who to aim it towards - it would only lead to destruction on both sides, and certainly wouldn't be tolerated by God, in terms of contributions to our own walk of salvation. Only God Himself can lead that crusade, by divine intervention according to the individual merits of each case - He knows who is to blame, He knows what is a just punishment, which is intended to cause immediate cessation of their conspiratorial activities.

With all this in mind, I still advocate for imprecatory prayer, in the proper sense, simply petitioning God to intervene as described above.

a reply to: incoserv

Thank you for standing up with a proper explanation from scriptural authority. I see that in a sense, I have kindled something approaching a 'perfect hatred' of those who would have the gall to stand up against the sovereign plan for humanity which God instituted oh so long ago. They seem to think that because God has been somewhat quiet for the past two thousand years, or at least that He hasn't crushed their evil cohorts through those centuries, that he's shuffled off his own 'supermortal coil' & now it's fine to blatantly upend the cosmic plan for humanity. I am infuriated by the arrogance of their scheming, plotting ways, every word they issue forth utterly disgusts me, when I know that they're actively participating in disinformation through media, lying to the people with a brazen abandon regarding the 'deadly' virus & the 'safe & effective' 'vaccines'.

It just winds me up so much, and has led to my strong intuition that we need to actively pray against such people now, as espoused in the thread (a bit too forcefully, admittedly).

Appreciate your lucid support of the premise.

Cheers.

This all sounds like some wacky voodoo doll nonsense.

Yes it is time "to adjust" prayers.

But the premise of this thread couldn't be more anti Christian if it tried.

The prayers required are prayers of forgiveness towards the "planners, influencers & enablers" only then are you capable of being blessed with gods ear...........the way I see it this thread and similar mindsets only further fuel the turning away of gods grace.

So so sad the depth of pure ignorance.