Looks like China is on the move -

a reply to: Ghostsdogood

Russia and China and someone else are doing military exercizes but i think ALL involved are seeing what the others have.

Russia and China have never been good friends in my life time and I'm 37

Russia doesnt make deals

and nether should we.


and we don't belong in Ukraine

the people that want to leave should do so before an all out war kicks off


if anything NATO countries should allow the people that want to leave, let them live there other than that they are on there own.


do you think Russia or Ukraine would come to the US's aid?

a reply to: matafuchs


crazy side note


maybe that's why we collapsed the supply chain to start domestic manufacturing back to where it was in the 70's and 80's

that way China has no leverage on us

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

Russia and China and someone else are doing military exercizes but i think ALL involved are seeing what the others have.

Russia and China have never been good friends in my life time and I'm 37

Russia doesnt make deals

and nether should we.


and we don't belong in Ukraine

the people that want to leave should do so before an all out war kicks off


if anything NATO countries should allow the people that want to leave, let them live there other than that they are on there own.


do you think Russia or Ukraine would come to the US's aid?

Of course they wouldn't assist us, or anyone else for that matter.

Ukraine is a dysfunctional country full of all types of crazies, and putin wants to be the reincarnation of hitler and/or stalin.

I have no use for either one, and neither should anyone else if russia wants to behave this way.


But I see zero desire or need for American military at this point. WTF is biden thinkin... never mind, stupid question.

American troops should never again be ordered to stand between two enemies hell bent on killing each other, we go to immediately win or we don't go at all.

In this case there is nothing TO win, so we have no business going at all.

But if russia chooses to enslave one of it's neighbors, then we have no business doing any further business with russia.

Not sanctions.

Complete separation, like the cold war.

Our banking system and markets were designed and intended for civilized nations, not hitler or stalin.

a reply to: Ghostsdogood

the real reason is natural gas and who supplies the EU with the cheapest LNG NordStram 2 is the entire reason we are seeing this or like 755

Putin could give a flying F about ethnic Russians, look at WWll where USSR pillaged Ukraine(also known as Europe bread basket) and caused millions and millions to die from starvation.

i don't believe for one second the US/NATO/Russia cares about the people, its all about energy and money.


wonder why Hunter "parm smoker' Biden got paid millions by a natural gas co. that is in competition with NordStream 2 as a geologist or some crazy thing he has no business being.


I know friends who when they got out of the military went to contractors(including myselef) and we are already fighting the Russians and supplying more than logistical support to the pro NATO forces wheil Russia rains down thermobaric and cluster munitions from their MRLS

now troop and myself are being staged in Europe getting ready for an all out assault by Russia, we were issued NBC gear last week, so take that for what ever it means.

i was told to be ready for nuclear and chemical attacks, by who? i have no idea.

i wont lie i am scared and the place i am living is in a normal civilian village and go to the city to work.

my neighbor had me over for a meet and great part Saturday and they all asked me if they should leave and i told them if they have family they might think about going for a long vacation.

I have seen via friends own video of heavy artillery and thermobaric weapons being used in civilian areas

scary times indeed

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

Russia and China and someone else are doing military exercizes but i think ALL involved are seeing what the others have.

Russia and China have never been good friends in my life time and I'm 37

Russia doesnt make deals

and nether should we.


the united states is part of the UN and NATO. its not an american intervention. sure they hold sway in the international community but to say "america should stay out of the war" is wrong. by your thinking, all of the ukraines allies have no business defending a friendly nation?

even germany is coming to ukraines defence. www.dw.com...

not the greatest link but the cnn link of the same story is gone.


and we don't belong in Ukraine

the people that want to leave should do so before an all out war kicks off


if anything NATO countries should allow the people that want to leave, let them live there other than that they are on there own.


do you think Russia or Ukraine would come to the US's aid?

Of course they wouldn't assist us, or anyone else for that matter.

Ukraine is a dysfunctional country full of all types of crazies, and putin wants to be the reincarnation of hitler and/or stalin.

I have no use for either one, and neither should anyone else if russia wants to behave this way.


But I see zero desire or need for American military at this point. WTF is biden thinkin... never mind, stupid question.

American troops should never again be ordered to stand between two enemies hell bent on killing each other, we go to immediately win or we don't go at all.

In this case there is nothing TO win, so we have no business going at all.

But if russia chooses to enslave one of it's neighbors, then we have no business doing any further business with russia.

Not sanctions.

Complete separation, like the cold war.

Our banking system and markets were designed and intended for civilized nations, not hitler or stalin.

youre seperating the united states military from the united nations/north atlantic treaty organization. two very different things.

im not going to insult your intelligence with the explanation but the UN/NATO are coming to ukraines defence.

a reply to: noscopebacon

Russia knows Germany cant exist long without its gas. Germany banking on all green energy has caused energy rolling blackouts and energy crisis.

And Germany is foolish closing its nuclear power plants.
Germany to close nuclear reactors despite energy crisis

Russia could cut off gas supplies any time. And watch the EU not wanting to fight agaisnt Russia. LNG gas supplies will be costly to Europeans.

a reply to: Ghostsdogood

Putin is not Stalin or hitler i had seen these comparisons for a while now even before Ukraine.

a reply to: Ghostsdogood

i like your idea better.

This is almost Cold war era moves.I lived through it growing up and would rather not revisit

a reply to: MASHcolonelblake

right i ment the other way around, and with out the US NATO would be at legislative arm of the world with no real bite, so to speak. yes other NATO countries have the ability to fight but the support of the US is what makes NATO a creditable threat when they say do this or else.

As an American(that isn't in America) i don't think we need to be sending anything other than logistical support and weapons and maybe the ability to ask the NRO to watch certain hot spots.

We have ZERO reason to be there other than the above logistics, and certainly not put regular marines and soldiers and airmen in harms way.

the fact i was told to have my NBC gear and medicine ready to go is terrifying.

this is all over natural gas and Russia getting and keeping its a warm water port under their direct control.

the second a us fighter kills Russia fighters we will see the luke war conflict go hotter and hotter, in the start of this conflict Russia deployed nuclear IRBM's and that just gets glossed over.


i know in the USSR nuclear weapons were part of standard war doctrine and planning.


one wrong move or wrong commander get twitchy and we could see tactical nukes being used and after that all bets are off, imagine the Russians nuke the 5000 us men coming to Ukraine and the us will demand retribution and we are off to the races and vice versa

we are walking on a knife edge right now and the fact i was put on a jet and flown with the rest of my coworkers and are being staged in the uk and Germany, to me means we are going to be supplying logistical help and even fighters to the regular military.

being a civilian we can land and walk around without uniforms and all the stuff that comes with us soldiers coming in and setting up.


its going to be a nothing burger or a big big fight and right now it looks like the big fight is coming with special forces already on the ground and fighting and the 5000 normal us military on the way will only ramp up the tenson in the area

a reply to: noscopebacon

funny thing. russia using a IRBM with a nuke warhead gurantees a MAD scenarion,and a loss for russia essentially. Methinks these are conventional warheads but they are there for a fear factor.

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: MASHcolonelblake

right i ment the other way around, and with out the US NATO would be at legislative arm of the world with no real bite, so to speak. yes other NATO countries have the ability to fight but the support of the US is what makes NATO a creditable threat when they say do this or else.

As an American(that isn't in America) i don't think we need to be sending anything other than logistical support and weapons and maybe the ability to ask the NRO to watch certain hot spots.

We have ZERO reason to be there other than the above logistics, and certainly not put regular marines and soldiers and airmen in harms way.

i see what you mean. maybe the us should physically stay out of it. send aid and weapons first.

germany, being a nato country is even sending a hospital

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

Putin is not Stalin or hitler i had seen these comparisons for a while now even before Ukraine.

No, but putin is using the same strategy and tactics in an effort to achieve the same early goals of both stalin and hitler.

putin is currently acting like 1937/8 hitler.

And the U.S. left, along with eurocrats are behaving exactly like chamberlain.

THAT is the comparison, and it is shockingly accurate.

originally posted by: MASHcolonelblake

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

Russia and China and someone else are doing military exercizes but i think ALL involved are seeing what the others have.

Russia and China have never been good friends in my life time and I'm 37

Russia doesnt make deals

and nether should we.


the united states is part of the UN and NATO. its not an american intervention. sure they hold sway in the international community but to say "america should stay out of the war" is wrong. by your thinking, all of the ukraines allies have no business defending a friendly nation?

even germany is coming to ukraines defence. www.dw.com...

not the greatest link but the cnn link of the same story is gone.


and we don't belong in Ukraine

the people that want to leave should do so before an all out war kicks off


if anything NATO countries should allow the people that want to leave, let them live there other than that they are on there own.


do you think Russia or Ukraine would come to the US's aid?

Of course they wouldn't assist us, or anyone else for that matter.

Ukraine is a dysfunctional country full of all types of crazies, and putin wants to be the reincarnation of hitler and/or stalin.

I have no use for either one, and neither should anyone else if russia wants to behave this way.


But I see zero desire or need for American military at this point. WTF is biden thinkin... never mind, stupid question.

American troops should never again be ordered to stand between two enemies hell bent on killing each other, we go to immediately win or we don't go at all.

In this case there is nothing TO win, so we have no business going at all.

But if russia chooses to enslave one of it's neighbors, then we have no business doing any further business with russia.

Not sanctions.

Complete separation, like the cold war.

Our banking system and markets were designed and intended for civilized nations, not hitler or stalin.

youre seperating the united states military from the united nations/north atlantic treaty organization. two very different things.

im not going to insult your intelligence with the explanation but the UN/NATO are coming to ukraines defence.

Where?

Why?

Seriously?

a reply to: noscopebacon


Yes, natural gas pipeline is one of those resources russia wants to steal for itself.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: noscopebacon

Russia knows Germany cant exist long without its gas. Germany banking on all green energy has caused energy rolling blackouts and energy crisis.

And Germany is foolish closing its nuclear power plants.
Germany to close nuclear reactors despite energy crisis

Russia could cut off gas supplies any time. And watch the EU not wanting to fight agaisnt Russia. LNG gas supplies will be costly to Europeans.

putin THINKS germany can't survive without russian gas.

The U.S. has more gas than russia does, and we mostly just burn it off as excess.

This is why the left lost their minds when we built cng export terminals (which we still don't really use), because we could fairly easily bankrupt russia, and free europe from russia's near yearly extortion attempts.

Go ahead, cut off the gas to Europe.

We'll make sure russia never gets another penny from the west for it's oil & gas.

no one believed me when i said US troops and contractors are stagging until today the 25th it is made public(on tv)

wonder what else I'm right about

a reply to: Joneselius

You can pray that there will be another day. Always trust in the lord no matter what. Ive seen things change for the better through prayer alone.

Here in NZ supermarkets have been getting emptied due to panic buying nothing unusual around the world, out buying my groceries for the week last night shelves were well stocked. The lord hears your concerns if you place your faith in him all will be well and life will never be plain sailing that is the world at present we live in but your concerns will not be more than you can deal with.

a reply to: yuppa

Im fairly sure no one really wants to use nukes, in today's world they are more of a political tool. Its not just the cost in damage to infrastructure and lives each nuke costs a tremendous dollar value. They are a tool of intimidation take those away and you have lost a significant political device.

On the flip side could nukes be used to generate power? Say they were placed into orbit were if they went boom maybe some residual em interference might take place as a side effect similar to corona ejections from the sun. Turning a weapon of war into a utility seems a good idea.

Looking at things black and white, to me makes no sense. Putin has done some good, like in Syria, and has done some bad, as in Ukraine. I guess NATO has done some good, I don’t know what lately but they dam sure have done some bad.

So, we have to look at particular issues and acts of these powers, not join any side, of course, unless one wants to merely side with their own country or ethnocentric side disregarding right and wrong or moral or immoral.

China has done some good, but if we are to accept the present news of what China has done, and I do generally: the genocide and the bad actions on the virus, and in Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China is doing very bad lately.

America also has mainly done terribly in the last 20 or so years: 911, Iraq war, Libya, Syria, generally a horrendous policy in the ME and in comparison Russia is better but hardly free of bad acts.

There's no heroes here, no dominant good side.