Russia's territorial demands reminiscent of Nazi Germany

originally posted by: RIPMH370

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: RIPMH370
a reply to: Ghostsdogood


Russia never breached the Minsk agreement

So there are no russian troops in Europe?

They never invaded Ukrainian territory?

Do you have any unicorns for sale?

We don't have any here in reality.

You are a super slow learner, In February 2014 Russian Troops were already based in Crimea

Russia could not invade Crimea when they already had a base there.

On 27 February 2014 there were protests in Crimea demanding independence from Ukraine. PREVIOUS referendums in 1991 & 1994 also demanded independence from Ukraine when Crimea was part of the Soviet Union -( you do believe in democracy , don't you ?) On 16 March the state Parliament of Crimea held a referendum in which 95% of residents demanded independence from Ukraine .

Are you still with me?
After the people of Crimea voted to secede from Ukraine, the local Parliament invited further Russian forces in and then acceding to popular requests Russia annexed Crimea/ Nobody invaded anybody.

So then Russians will give back the off base areas of Crimea then?

Or maybe you are just desperate to defend russian propaganda, and still haven't realized that nobody here is that dumb.

Can somebody explain to me why Russia dismisses US/UK theory of Russia imminent invasion of Ukraine?
I'm trying to be completely impartial so to truly understand the truth of the matter.

Who is telling the truth?

US/UK/NATO - Russia will be attacking Ukraine Imminently
Russia - We have no intention of attacking anyone

Somebody is not telling the truth, being completely impartial, who do you think it is, and why?

a reply to: Ghostsdogood

So then Russians will give back the off base areas of Crimea then?

Do you honestly believe that the majority of people in Crimea want to return to Kiev's corrupt govt? since we are on the same topic

Will NATO give back Kosovo back to Serbia? will US forces leave the northern Syria areas where they occupying with bases near the oil sectors?

Russians will give back the off base areas of Crimea then

If Russia backs off base areas of Crimea NATO swaps in and its next door to Moscow 18 hours miles close to Russia's own borders. dont think for a minute that NATO wont build bases in Crimea if Russia walks back.

originally posted by: RIPMH370
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


The inhabitants of Crimea did own it though and overwhelmingly they voted to secede from Ukraine in 1991, 1994 and again in March 2014.


You do believe in Democracy, don't you?

A vote at the point of a gun or a threat to be sent somewhere unpleasant is not authentic.

So, yeah, I'm not aboard Moscow's propaganda train here. Enjoy your ride until the train wreck occurs.



Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Majority of people in Crimea took selfies while the media claimed the green men invaded.

It is still part of Ukraine

Kosovo was part of Serbia before NATO occupation by enemy forces to. Before they took control and give it to the Albanians.

Kosovo never had a real independence.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

A vote at the point of a gun or a threat to be sent somewhere unpleasant is not authentic.

Like the bombing of Serbia to force them to accpet defeat and loss Kosovo right? you only count Democracy when your side does or wins it.


Its not Democracy or democratic when others who arent on "NATO/EU/" Side.



Western hypocrisy stance on Catalonia and Crimea shows.

a reply to: vNex92

Your knowledge of history is weak.

Kosovo has ALWAYS had a mixed population.

Serbia is fixated on it because of a battle that happened there HUNDREDS OF YEARS ago.

Funny how every other part of Yugoslavia wanted to get away from Serbia.

You should be able to figure out why that was.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Kosovo has ALWAYS had a mixed population.

Your knowledge of history is weak, i have more knowledge.

Funny how every other part of Yugoslavia wanted

Ever heard of color revolutions? NGOs? like the ones in Egypt?

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Kosovo has ALWAYS had a mixed population.

Serbia is fixated on it because of a battle that happened there HUNDREDS OF YEARS ago.

Kosovo had being always part of Serbia even long the battle of Kosovo. The only ones that wanted get away from Serbia are those who were fixated on creating the Great Albania.

You even had Albanian politicians cheering the moment Kosovo had being replaced with a and not o at the end of its name of Kosova.

Its what the Albanian nationalists wanted.


You do know the ottoman empire enslaved the the Balkans. You seem to avoid that point.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Its quite funny for a province like Kosovo to be worshiping NATO leaders, politicians like Tony Blair a war criminal and Bush, Clinton.

In Kosovo you will find many statues of Bill Clinton and the hero John McCain.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

If Kosovo wont be brought by NATO/EU why should Crimea be returned back when they had a independent election? and why should Russia return Crimea?

The point about Crimea and Kosovo is no different.

originally posted by: SirMolle
Can somebody explain to me why Russia dismisses US/UK theory of Russia imminent invasion of Ukraine?
I'm trying to be completely impartial so to truly understand the truth of the matter.

The truth is that both the UK and US are NOT talking about an "imminent" invasion as policy. Russia's denials are creating that impression, and that’s part of their propaganda around all of this.

The official policy of the UK and the US, and NATO for that matter, is that Russian intentions are unknown. Russia have amassed a large force on Ukraine’s borders, continue to support separatists and continue with attempts to disrupt Ukraine e.g. cyber-attacks. They are “acting” like they are preparing to invade through their belligerence and provocation.

As previously stated, what actually constitutes an "invasion" anyway? Russia already fields personnel within Ukrainian borders in Eastern Ukraine and the annexed Crimea. Regardless, Russian intentions are unclear, and it is up to them to de-escalate a situation of their creation.

originally posted by: vNex92
If Kosovo wont be brought by NATO/EU why should Crimea be returned back when they had a independent election? and why should Russia return Crimea?

The point about Crimea and Kosovo is no different.

Typical distraction attempts. Kosovo and Crimea are very different.

Crimea is forecably occupied by Russia after annexation. This is against international law. Any referendum to legitimise Russian action was a sham, a you know, as well as being illegal and conducted at gunpoint.

a reply to: vNex92

Wow, I really struck a nerve. Get back to reading about history. It has surprises for you!

Cheers

a reply to: paraphi

Regardless, Russian intentions are unclear, and it is up to them to de-escalate a situation of their creation.

Ah! The sweet voice of reason.

Yeah, the laughable bit is that Ukraine has been independent of Russia for how many YEARS ?

But Putin's government, NOW, is acting like this is an existential crisis for Russia. What shameless hogwash.

Just as the other parts of Yugoslavia fled Serbia, every part of the former USSR that could get away from Russia did so. Their actions spoke MUCH louder than the words of propaganda coming out of Moscow today.

Cheers

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Ghostsdogood

So then Russians will give back the off base areas of Crimea then?

Do you honestly believe that the majority of people in Crimea want to return to Kiev's corrupt govt? since we are on the same topic

Will NATO give back Kosovo back to Serbia? will US forces leave the northern Syria areas where they occupying with bases near the oil sectors?

Russians will give back the off base areas of Crimea then

If Russia backs off base areas of Crimea NATO swaps in and its next door to Moscow 18 hours miles close to Russia's own borders. dont think for a minute that NATO wont build bases in Crimea if Russia walks back.

So NATO was building Crimea bases before russia vilolently annexed it.

Or EVER demonstrated any intention to do so?

Absurd.

Can't lie any better than this?

putin is going to be disappointed.


What part of NATO has zero interest in arming ukraine do you not understand?

But A+ for accurately repeating putin's propaganda lies.

a reply to: vNex92

19% of Crimea are russian people rest is ukrainian... have you asked them.. ukrainian people in Crimea ?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Its quite funny for a province like Kosovo to be worshiping NATO leaders, politicians like Tony Blair a war criminal and Bush, Clinton.

In Kosovo you will find many statues of Bill Clinton and the hero John McCain.

You think it's odd that they are grateful for folks that came to their aid the last time russians attempted to violently enslave them?

Why?

a reply to: RIPMH370

Russia's treaty with Ukraine that allowed them use of the military base stipulated that Russian troops were to remain on base. It also stipulated that those troops had to abide by Ukrainian legislation, respect Ukraine's sovereignty, and could not interfere with Ukraine's internal affairs.

Then of course there's also the fact that Russian troops removed Ukrainian troops from their military bases at gun point.

There's no way to deny that Russia invaded Ukraine when they annexed Crimea.