The Elvis Investigation.....dead or alive........?

Originally posted by goose
OK I have read all the evidence years ago about how E loved to hang out in morgues and stuff about look a likes and John someone flying out of Memphis who looked just like Elvis. The one thing I have a real problem believing is that if he did fake his death and that would mean he was involved in planning it, I just don't think he would have allowed himself to die in the john. From all reports he was in the bathroom on the commode and just keeled over, who wants to be found like that, who wants to be remembered like that? Elvis was all about his image and that would not be something he would agree to if he had a choice. That is the one thing that leaves me thinking he did not fake his death, if he had he would have died in bed or in a dramatic accident anything but the loo.

Goose. I have been saying exactly the same for years,

I have been mad on Elvis (pre 69) since I was a wee nipper but I would not take an obsession to unhealthy legths.

As Goose has said. Elvis was the Messiah to many and he loved and craved this attention. Let's be honest, Elvis was on a power-trip and lived for the adoration and love that millions heaped on him, this is no Kurt Cobain we are talking about. If he wanted to fake his own death, he would have either done it in a very unsuspicious and non-demeaning way, such as dying in his sleep or, quite possibly would have had people thinking he died during some heroics, whilst saving a child from drowning or something.

Originally posted by RedHare

Originally posted by tempogen
what is so significant about elvis ? was someone after him ? did he get sick of the publicity , of the MONEY ? was there more to him than music ? what does his daughter think ? so many questions , no answers ....

Elvis wanted to go away in the peak of his career and forever remembered as a legend. Man~ take a look at mIchael Jackson, the man has no dignity left. If he could've died like Elvis while in his prime, I think he would, given the current mess.

Elvis did not die in his prime. Far from it. He died a bloated, drug addled mockery of everything he once was.

He did die though.

Originally posted by angeleyes101
Elvis was a narcotic genius and most likely knew he would go into in a semi-coma.

Sorry but that is ridiculous in the extreme.

No one can plan a coma for themselves. Coma's hang on the thread between life and death, there is no way to purposely land there.


Elvis was taking handfulls of uppers and downers per day. Uppers to give him the energy (and possibly the passion) to do his gigs and downers to help him relax after the show. His body would have been pretty messed up by this already, add to that his obesety and junk-food diet (burders and fried peanut butter sandwiches) and you have yourself a very poorly heart. Anything could have killed this man, the state he was in and he knew that.

If he was going to kill himself on pills he would have succeeded, he really would. If he hadn't died that night he would have died in the weeks after with a related heasrt attack, stroke or liver/kidney faliure.


Elvis was such a narcotics genius he knew exactly how much he would need to put his ailing body into a coma? Erm.... no.

Originally posted by angeleyes101
This is very eerie. I read about this months ago, the victims, got into a car accident the day of his funeral, not the night he died but rather the day of his buriel, and the body of the one who died was subbstituted for Elvis when they buried him, only when it was attempted by graverobbers to steal the body which was not elvis, they took the supposed body back to graceland and put a plaque on the spot where he is , not even there..i"ll find it ...it has to be on the net, as I read it myself.

And this mysterious cadaver has deaf and dumb family, does he?

I suppose, depending on how much you wanted to make the truth fit you could say that Graceland payed off his family but there must be a lot of people this man knew and none of them ever asked after him?



P.s. sorry for the repeated posts

Maybe most of you have forgotten the title.....Elvis dead.....or....alive

My investigation is to try and prove if he is dead beyond a doubt or he is alive and in hiding..........I did not say I think he is alive, I am just investigating this since so many think he is alive...I wish he was I love they guy.....

Originally posted by angeleyes101
Maybe most of you have forgotten the title.....Elvis dead.....or....alive

My investigation is to try and prove if he is dead beyond a doubt or he is alive and in hiding..........I did not say I think he is alive, I am just investigating this since so many think he is alive...I wish he was I love they guy.....

No, I know. I am only debating the point you have made. Sorry if it sounded personal, it wasn't supposed to be.

I hope I am adding to the debate rather than adding to the idea that you are ripped to the tits on mental illness:rolljoke joke joke)

Awwww, C'mon gang! Even the Man of LaManchia was allowed to tilt with windmills, and they made a musical out of it!

What then, possibly more wonderful things could possibly happen to the fair Angeleyes????

Dan signing out ....

As I fade to the sunset, a haunting strain of orchestral music .....................

To dream the impossible sumthin... sumthin.... dum-dee-dee-doh!!!!

well even if he didnt die then he could have died later, or of old age, if he hasnt yet died how old would he be now?

Two hours after Elvis's death was announced publicly, a man who reportedly looked remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for Buenos Aeries, paid in cash, and used the name John Burrows: the same name Elvis had used as an alias several times before.

Doesn't this sound odd?

Elvis had a few books that were considered to be his most prized possessions. He had a bible, several pharmaceutical books, books on death, and most importantly Chiro's Book of Numbers and The Autobiography of Yogi After Elvis's death was announced, these books disappeared and were never recovered.

Another strange thing that he would never leave behind![/]

In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis's actions were not those of a man who was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He ordered no new suits despite having gained 50 pounds since his last tour, and he bid "adios" at his last show in Hawaii. He had never done this before. Adios, like the French adieu, has the significance of being a final good-bye as opposed to an "I'll be seeing you on my next tour" kind of good-bye.


Elvis always, just kneeled, with his cape drawn above him, and rushed out of the stadium.


Others were intrigued by the King's decision to sign a lucrative TV deal with NBC that would cover the tour. It was unprecedented for a network to pay such a large amount up front, in cash, for such a deal. Many wonder why Elvis even agreed to the deal since his vanity discouraged him from making public appearances due to his obesity.


Why would he sign a deal with NBC for cash upfront, the only thing I can think of he needed it to disappear.

RCA showed uncanny (and unbelievable) foresight by mass producing millions of Elvis's current and previous recordings and merchandise. This is standard practice for an act that is about to go on tour, but the numbers in this case were beyond reasonable expectations. The announcement of Elvis's death caused record sales to skyrocket.

Another odd thing, why buy so many, mass producing them if they didn't even know if his show would be a hit due to his weight gain?

Elvis did other unusual things that created suspicion. First, he fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time. Also, two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of his named Miss Foster. He told her that he wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour. She asked him if he had canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he was ill, he said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions or tell anyone anything, and that she should not believe anything she read. He told her that his troubles would all soon be over, and that he would call her in a few weeks. The author of Elvis Where Are You? writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this story, and that she was not lying.

She didn't lie, she told the truth as you can see .


The day after Elvis's alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon, a former lover of Elvis, received a single rose in the mail. The card indicated that the flower was from "El Lancelot." This had been her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no one else knew. Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave. This was Elvis's way of letting her know that he was not dead, even though he didn't want to be found.

This is true, as she stated it on television on a show about Elvis, and had no reason to lie about it as she loved him and respected him and would not mock his death.

Chiro's Book of Numbers.

Elvis had a fascination with numerology - an interest he fed by reading Chiro's Book of Numbers. The theory that the King orchestrated his death is further supported when considering the significance of the date of his alleged death. The date in question is August 16,1977. By adding the numbers in the date, 8, 16, and 1977, you get 2001. This is the title of Elvis' favorite movie in which the hero plans his immortality in the bathroom. Elvis spent a considerable amount of time doing the same: planning his afterlife on the john. Elvis spent so much time in the bathroom that he had his toilet converted into a reclining comfy chair. Coincidentally, the bathroom is also where Elvis's body was reportedly found.
Given Elvis's religious affiliation (Christianity), he had a fascination with things that come in threes i.e. father, son, and holy ghost. The sum of the digits from his favorite film (2+0+0+1) is three. Let's consider the triad of the repetition of the number 24. 2001 (favorite film) less 1977 (year of death) is 24. The two numbers from the day of death (8/16) when added up equal 24. The sum of the digits in the year of death (1+9+7+7) also equals 24. That is 3 occurrences of the number 24 which is divisible by 3, and when divided by three the result, 8 has a perfect cubed root (2x2x2=8).
Elvis loved numerology, and when you consider the numeric significance of the date of his alleged death, it is clear that if indeed he did plan to fake his death, he could not have chosen a better date.

Motive.

Elvis had many reasons to fake his death. Elvis's life was in danger. He had recently lost $10,000,000 in an airplane/real estate deal with a California based organization called the "Fraternity" that had links to the Mafia. It is speculated that he corroborated with the government to expose the organized crime ring in exchange for protection - perhaps in the form of a new life and identity compliments of the witness relocation program.
In addition, Elvis was a prisoner of his own fame. He had many other reasons to leave his life behind. Because of his incredible popularity, he was the recipient of several death threats, and he was concerned about the safety of his wife and daughter. Sometimes when he wanted to leave Graceland, he would send out look-alikes to distract would be followers. Elvis was also known to ride in the trunk of someone else's car to avoid detection. Once, when he fell ill in Las Vegas, he couldn't get proper medical attention because the hospital was overwhelmed by fans.
At the time of his alleged death, Elvis was nearing the end of his career. He was 42, his hair was graying, he was grossly overweight, and his voice was starting to weaken. He was going down hill, and he was too proud to go out with a whimper. He would never want his fans to see him in such an unhealthy condition.
Elvis had shown a fascination with death on several occasions. In the days leading up to his alleged death he was reported to have visited funeral homes at odd hours of the night with close friends. Was he doing research? Elvis once faked his death by setting up an elaborate shooting in which a would be killer fired blanks at Elvis who had a blood pack which he discharged. It was Elvis's intention to see how the people closest to him would react to his death. Perhaps what he learned convinced him to do it for real.
Finally, one of Elvis' favorite books is the spiritual Autobiography of Yogi. One of the central themes of this book is the relinquishing of one's wealth and earthly possessions to achieve spiritual oneness. Elvis could do this, as well as address his other concerns of sanity and safety by faking his death and living in exile.

Means.

Elvis had the means to fake his own death. He is accused of destroying himself with drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical expert. He took a lot of drugs, but he knew what he was doing and was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-administer to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis's experience with the martial arts was such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing in order to feign death.
Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity for himself. He came to this county as an illegal immigrant from Holland, but through various connections managed to create an elaborate identity complete with a passport, birth certificate, drivers license, and social security number. He would have known how to give Elvis a second life.
In addition to Elvis's ties to the government through his testimony against the Fraternity, Elvis was known to interact with the President of the United States. He was reported in government documents to use the name John Burrows as an alias when he wanted to travel. Some people believe that Elvis worked for the government as a drug agent. He did, after all have extensive contact with many people in the music business who, as we know, tend to dabble in illegal substances. (Remember Payola?.. ) And, of course, we must allow that Elvis's connections to the government gave him access to the Witness Relocation Program. If they can turn the Simpsons into the Thompsons, they can relocate anybody.

No New Music, Orion?

Many believe that Elvis couldn't have given up performing cold turkey. I imagine that after a while the desire to perform grew once he started his life in exile. The story of Orion supports the theory that Elvis attempted an incognito comeback.
Shortly after Elvis's death, a masked singer by the name of Orion emerged on the scene. He was big like Elvis, and he sang just like Elvis. Because of the mask, no one could tell his true identity. One fan described seeing Orion from near the stage. She claims that Orion left the stage between songs, and when he appeared moments later the sweat was gone from his armpits and back and she thought that his costume looked slightly different. After the song he left the stage, and the original Orion returned.
Another fan described how she rushed into a tour bus at an Orion show only to see two Orions in the back of the bus. She claimed that one ducked into the bathroom before she could get a good look at him, but he appeared to look like Elvis Presley.
What's even more remarkable is the fictional story called Orion that was written by Gail Brewer-Georgio about a legendary performer who had several identities and wanted to fake his death. The story was written and submitted to the William Morris Agency for publication consideration after Elvis's death and before the real Orion ever performed. As it turns out, there are many ways in which the real Orion mimicked the events as described in the book. For example, the performers' managers had the same name. Also, without knowing it, Brewer-Georgio wrote of events in Orion that had actually taken place in Elvis Presley's life. It was a case of life imitating art.

Picking up the Pieces.

In 1981, 20/20 did an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the alleged death of Elvis Presley. The investigative report was very convincing. Oddly enough, within two weeks of the report, the singer, Orion, disappeared and was never heard from again. The book, Orion disappeared from shelves across the country. It had been recalled by the publisher which was associated with the William Morris Agency. Incidentally, the William Morris Agency is the same agency that represented Elvis Presley.
I even tried to order a copy of the book, but was unable to. The woman at the book store said she couldn't tell me why.......
It seems that Elvis Presley is worth more dead than alive. By faking his death and relocating with a new identity, he is safe from his fans and the Fraternity, the government can make a solid case against the organized crime ring, and RCA, Elvis's family, and Elvis's management can all reap immense financial benefits from the attention.
That is... except for one benefit. No one has collected on his life insurance policy.

www.webspawner.com...

What if Elvis went to work with the FBI after faking his death?

In December of 1970, Elvis visited FBI headquarters and volunteered to go undercover and help put a stop the counter-culture element of the entertainment world. He requested a meeting with J. Edgar Hoover, but Hoover turned him down, ironically because he felt that Elvis dressed too flamboyantly.
Around the same time, he paid a surprise visit to the White House and met with President Nixon, offering his services as an undercover narcotics agent. Nixon gave Elvis a badge from the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs and made him an honorary agent.
Elvis was fascinated with guns and law enforcement and while serving in the Army, he was considered an excellent soldier and superb marksman. He collected police badges from all over the country and was an honorary sheriff in Memphis, sometimes even pulling over motorists for driving violations. He was also a black belt in karate.
In the novel, Jesse, Elvis is blackmailed by Special Agent Jericho, a ruthless FBI agent. What Elvis discovers will change the world forever.


"In December of 1970, you met with officials of the FBI volunteering your services to destroy the anti-establishment movement in the entertainment world. You professed a belief that the Smothers Brothers and Jane Fonda were responsible for poisoning the minds of young people, and said 'The Beatles were responsible for social unrest with their unkempt appearance and suggestive music,'" Agent Jericho said.

"So?" Elvis asked.

"Well, the FBI has decided to take you up on your offer."

"Be serious. Why would you want me?"

"I think you'd be a natural. You've served valiantly in the Army. You're proficient with firearms, a black-belt in karate, and best of all, you're expendable."

"What do you mean, expendable?"

"To put it bluntly, you're already dead."


from the novel, Jesse (Chapter XIV: Caught in a Trap)
Now, this would be a great way for Elvis to go undercover, and help the FBI, since everyone thought he was dead, they would never suspect it was Elvis, and he was not afraid to stop anyone, Elvis did stop an airplane when one of his friends stole photos of Priscilla. So, maybe it is plausible, that they gave him a new name new location, andheld his funeral the next day, with a body that did not look like Elvis looked at that time, as he was overweight and bloated.

www.elvispresleynews.com...

The general consensus is that he died in the bathroom.How do we know this?Because he left a log.

Originally posted by goose
There are some who believe Elvis himself still performs at times pretending to be an Elvis mpersonator. As for it benefitting his family he is more famous dead than alive and is making more money.

Do you realize how old he would look now? He would have to have a major makeover just to be an Elvis impersonator.

A liver tissue biiopsy and a liver tissue sample on Elvis Presley in 1997 came back to say that Elvis was not buried on August 17 1977!

"Categorical proof that Elvis Aron Presley was not buried August 16, 1977, came this week when a DNA laboratory on the East Coast gave a written 18-page report on two slides of tissue sent themfor analysis."

The news release says that after an 8-to-10 week examination, "...the laboratory's report concludes positively that these two specimens are from two different people." In other words, whoever is buried at Graceland is not Elvis Presley; or, at least, so says the "Elvis is Alive Museum" and so concurs the Presley Commission executive.

The man behind this is MR.Beeney who was convinced for some reason that Elvis was not dead..a few years before 1997.


Why fake Elvis' death?

The contention is that Presley's life was in danger from a Mafia group because of testimony that Presley allegedly was going to give in a federal case.

"There were many death threats against Elvis and his daughter," Beeny says and Aitcheson agrees, saying Elvis may be in the federal witness protection program. Beeny says Presley's health and financial situation also were problems and that "...he just wanted to disappear."

Okay: so now they say there is this DNA report that says it isn't The King who is buried at Graceland...what next?

(And how did they get those Elvis tissue samples anyway? Beeny says they don't want to talk about that, but that "...we're covered, legally." He says he paid for the testing.)

www.cleveland.oh.us/wmv_news/jherr17.htm



In an extraordinary revelation, Dr. Donald Hinton recounts a scenario that is startling in its assertion and incredible in fact. He presents the events of Elvis Aron Presley's last 24 years as told to him by "The King" himself through a collection of handwritten letters and cards, telephone conversations and photos, since his "death" in 1977. In them, Elvis is alive and well and living in seclusion as "Jesse," the name of his deceased twin brother.
Dr. Hinton risks his reputation and livelihood to bring this astonishing story to print because, he says, "Jesse" felt it was time to tell his fans the truth. Elvis' disciples and skeptics alike should welcome this opportunity to finally establish or lay to rest the truth about Elvis' death or life.


Elvis/Jesse says that a shot was administered to him to make him appear dead on 8/16/1977. No detail is given as to:
1. Who administered the shot?
2. What did the shot consist of?
3. How did the medical staff a Memphis Memorial Hospital overlooked this why woudl they forge a death certificate?
4. Where Elvis/Jess was found? (current accepted theory was that he was found in the bathroom, face down in the shag carpet)


The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley: In His Own Words...get the book...

Corgidancer, there were reports of his performing as an Elvis impersonater shortly after his death, not to make money of course but just because he loved performing, I guess I should have clarified I did not mean here of late. The reports I heard were during the late 70's to early 80's and mostly in those rag magazines.

Well folks I guess it may seem crazy to bring this about but .I have an audio cd that was sent to me by a friend from Texas. Seems as tho there is truely a john burrows who lives in her area and she talks with him on occasion and has recorded him over the phone. When I listened to the audio .Well If it isn't Elvis under the alias J.B Then By God Its well, uncanny. Sam.

ELVIS IS ALIVE AND WORKING FOR THE DEA !!!! I JUST KNOW IT AND HE IS STILL MARRYED TO PRISCILLA PROBABLY.

I read that they still have elvis's heart and brain at the hospital.So if he is alive hes walking around with missing parts.Unless that was a lie.

You haven't seen Bubba Ho-Tep yet, have you. Elvis is our point man in the fight on mummies. All of the undead are not trying to take him and JFK out. The movie was an attempt to make it look like reality's fiction, and that Elvis and JFK have both been killed. However, the reality is, they are both alive (Elvis does have that nasty thing on his pecker, tho) and are busy fighting the vast legions of the undead. A great disservice to humanity is being done by those who are trying to expose the truth about JFK and Elvis. Without them, we would be living in Shawn of the Dead's world. Terrifying!
Loved Bubba Ho-Tep!

Elvis was promoted to 8th by Ed Parker, primarily because he promoted Kenpo on a Global

So did he earn his 8th or was it just given to him? Wouldn't it take many years to earn 8th?

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I agree that Elvis is alive. Here is my website on the subject. I will help in any way I can. I have been investigating this since 1988. elvisconspiracy.webs.com...