Ontario, vaccinated VS. the unvaccinated, more vaxxed patients in both hospital and ICU

Its been close for about a week, but now easily there are more vaccinated persons hospitalized with COVID than the unvaccinated in Ontario Canada's hospitals. So obviously hospital staffing is a problem, especially since all health staff is vaccinated.

hospitalized is now almost 3 times vaccinated COVID patients to unvaccinated COVID patients.

Cumulative deaths reported since the beginning 10,445 persons or 1.2% of the cases and that's getting lower every minute, as cases, hospitalizations among the vaccinated skyrocket.

a reply to: putnam6

Shortly, someone will post that you can expect more vaccinated people to be patients because so many are vaccinated now.
They forget that the vaccine would 'keep you from getting covid', 'keep you from spreading covid' and 'keep you out of the hospital'.

In short, the vaccines aren't working very well.

but the vaccines keep folks from being hospitalized. Or has that changed too?

a reply to: butcherguy

Look at my new thread/topic on the issue for Canada your govt expects that you take these not working crap shots two to four? every year till 2024.

This is not unattainable.

Many things can occur before that crap year.

originally posted by: network dude
but the vaccines keep folks from being hospitalized. Or has that changed too?

It has changed but the mainstream news media doesn't want to admit that yet.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: butcherguy

Look at my new thread/topic on the issue for Canada your govt expects that you take these not working crap shots two to four? every year till 2024.

This is not unattainable.

Many things can occur before that crap year.

With the way governments around the world are mismanaging COVID and massively oppressing people and forcing people into concentration camps (China/Australia) - and giving money to people so they are disincentivised to work - and firing massive numbers of people who are willing to work but not to be vaxxed - there may not be much of a world left by 2024.

We see this clearly with the US military holding exercises in NC designed to suppress and control the population in the guise of "domestic terrorist" training. When the Biden administration claims that parents upset about porn in schools disguised as LGBT tolerance education are called terrorists. Parents upset that children are taught to hate people with low levels of melanin and children with high levels of melanin are told they will always be oppressed by those with low levels of melanin and history proves it in the guise of teaching racial truth, are labeled terrorists by the Biden administration. When parents are labeled terrorists for defending their children, what hope is there that the rest of us aren't domestic terrorists in the eyes of the current administration if we openly disagree with their "new morality" and the ideology they treat as religious truth? The Biden administration not only sees what is coming, they caused it because of their slavish devotion to leftist ideology that has proven disastrous.

With people refusing to work and workers fired in massive numbers for not obeying the government (getting vaxed) - what hope is there that mass starvation is not around the corner due to government mismanagement of supply chain issues and the refusal of people to work.

Civilization is certainly on the brink of ending quite soon - look how abruptly COVID has changed the world and destroyed all faith and trust in the political class worldwide.

There may not be life or civilization left by 2024, especially if governments around the world continue on the path of lies, deceit, draconian oppression and use of actual force or force through loss of jobs.

To me, this evidence shows that the vaccine is not doing a very good job. There are probably more people vaccinated there than unvaccinated, and the ratio reflects that, also it reflects that the vaccine is not working to curb hospitalizations. People who believe they are protected spread the virus more than the people who know they are not. I suspect that a higher percentage of unvaccinated take precautions and wear masks than the vaccinated do. I see a lot of riskier behavior in the vaccinated people around here and they are getting sick a lot and spreading the virus way more than the majority of unvaccinated who are cautious are.

originally posted by: network dude
but the vaccines keep folks from being hospitalized. Or has that changed too?

It "helps"
You know, anything that helps is "mandated"

a reply to: butcherguy

Here's what you expected somebody to say...

46% of hospitalized covid cases are admitted to the hospital for a different medical issue and happen to test positive.

83% of COVID-19 patients in intensive care are being treated primarily for coronavirus infection while 17% were admitted to ICU and incidentally tested positive for COVID-19.

Source: Christine Elliott

Also...

The omicron variant evades both the vaccine and natural immunity.

originally posted by: joejack1949


Also...

The omicron variant evades both the vaccine and natural immunity.

which beggs the question, "Why are the shots the only thing the #tards in DC pushing?"
they don't work anymore.

originally posted by: rickymouse
To me, this evidence shows that the vaccine is not doing a very good job. There are probably more people vaccinated there than unvaccinated, and the ratio reflects that, also it reflects that the vaccine is not working to curb hospitalizations. People who believe they are protected spread the virus more than the people who know they are not. I suspect that a higher percentage of unvaccinated take precautions and wear masks than the vaccinated do. I see a lot of riskier behavior in the vaccinated people around here and they are getting sick a lot and spreading the virus way more than the majority of unvaccinated who are cautious are.

It is clear now that we were all massively lied to about the vaccines.


Anyone with half a brain can see it.

I admit to being an idiot.

I believed it and was vaccinated when Biden/Fauci said the vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID.

Fooled me once, shame on them

I believed it and was vaccinated again when Biden/Fauci, every mainstream media outlet and all Big Tech insisted that a second dose would protect me and everyone I loved, from COVID, and it was my civic duty to protect everyone in the US by being boosted.

Fooled me twice, shame on me.

I believed it and was vaccinated again when Biden/Fauci, every mainstream media outlet, nearly all of Hollywood, all Big Tech blamed the unvaccinated for COVID not ending, and promised a third booster meant I wouldn't be hospitalized or die.

Fooled me three times, now I'm an idiot who won't ever forget or take another doggy proven not to work vaccine.

But I am now inclined to believe those who were all along warning the vaccine will eventually be the death of me and everyone I care about, who warned that the governments of the world were lying about the origin of COVID and the purpose of releasing it. Thanks Fauci and China, for developing a disease - on purpose? - to depopulate the planet - making Hitler look like St. Theresa. I am more inclined to believe this than I am any world government source anymore.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: joejack1949


Also...

The omicron variant evades both the vaccine and natural immunity.

which beggs the question, "Why are the shots the only thing the #tards in DC pushing?"
they don't work anymore.

Why did they put all their energy and money into the vaccines - all over the world.

And ignore and discourage treatments options? The liberal left, the Democratic Party, the mainstream media, most of Hollywood, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, NY Times, etc. screamed, No, don't try it, it will kill you, every time someone came up with a treatment option. The CDC actively forbade Doctors from even trying treatment options on patients in the early days of COVID especially. It seemed the Democratic Party liberals in particular were against trying existing medications, even in controlled conditions in the early days of COVID - WHY? Yet have attempted and are still attempting everyone in the US to take a vaccine we now know doesn't work, just look at recent hospitalization and death rates among the double and triple vaccinated.

originally posted by: network dude
which beggs the question, "Why are the shots the only thing the #tards in DC pushing?"
they don't work anymore.

Investments, bribes and backroom deals.

a reply to: network dude

Obviously for the Pi variant

originally posted by: joejack1949
a reply to: butcherguy

Here's what you expected somebody to say...

46% of hospitalized covid cases are admitted to the hospital for a different medical issue and happen to test positive.

83% of COVID-19 patients in intensive care are being treated primarily for coronavirus infection while 17% were admitted to ICU and incidentally tested positive for COVID-19.

Source: Christine Elliott

Also...

The omicron variant evades both the vaccine and natural immunity.

This is called moving the goalposts with more words.

You can be in the hospital unvaccinated with a broken leg and be listed as a COVID patient here in the US, which has happened since day 1 and continues. I get it they have to check, but not every vaccinated person is there for COVID either.

Removal of which subset of patients, would help with hospitals being stressed less? you know the original reason we shut down, to begin with.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: putnam6

Shortly, someone will post that you can expect more vaccinated people to be patients because so many are vaccinated now.
They forget that the vaccine would 'keep you from getting covid', 'keep you from spreading covid' and 'keep you out of the hospital'.

In short, the vaccines aren't working very well.

You dont need to be pro vax to make that argument, only pro math. I will NEVER take the vax, and neither will my kids, but I still want accurate numbers because otherwise I am receiving a distorted view of what's actually happening with the vax.

You can assume the vax is a placebo, and still analyze the numbers properly.

So you do need to know the vax rates of the population where these people are hitting hospitals. Is it in the country with low vax rates, or in the city with high vax rates? Assume zero protection from the vax, then see if the results from there are worse or better than the unvaxxed control group.

The overviews are not doing that.

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: rickymouse
To me, this evidence shows that the vaccine is not doing a very good job. There are probably more people vaccinated there than unvaccinated, and the ratio reflects that, also it reflects that the vaccine is not working to curb hospitalizations. People who believe they are protected spread the virus more than the people who know they are not. I suspect that a higher percentage of unvaccinated take precautions and wear masks than the vaccinated do. I see a lot of riskier behavior in the vaccinated people around here and they are getting sick a lot and spreading the virus way more than the majority of unvaccinated who are cautious are.

It is clear now that we were all massively lied to about the vaccines.


Anyone with half a brain can see it.

I admit to being an idiot.

I believed it and was vaccinated when Biden/Fauci said the vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID.

Fooled me once, shame on them

I believed it and was vaccinated again when Biden/Fauci, every mainstream media outlet and all Big Tech insisted that a second dose would protect me and everyone I loved, from COVID, and it was my civic duty to protect everyone in the US by being boosted.

Fooled me twice, shame on me.

I believed it and was vaccinated again when Biden/Fauci, every mainstream media outlet, nearly all of Hollywood, all Big Tech blamed the unvaccinated for COVID not ending, and promised a third booster meant I wouldn't be hospitalized or die.

Fooled me three times, now I'm an idiot who won't ever forget or take another doggy proven not to work vaccine.

But I am now inclined to believe those who were all along warning the vaccine will eventually be the death of me and everyone I care about, who warned that the governments of the world were lying about the origin of COVID and the purpose of releasing it. Thanks Fauci and China, for developing a disease - on purpose? - to depopulate the planet - making Hitler look like St. Theresa. I am more inclined to believe this than I am any world government source anymore.

Remember, this vaccine may be defective for this virus, but analyze the info on future vaccines and diseases before turning them down. The whole thing is that they might be trying to send up a false flag too. When a serious disease comes along half of the people will believe it is another scamdemic and the vaccine may be necessary. Just because this vaccine was a piece of crap and the disease was not nearly as bad as it was played out to be doesn't mean the next virus will be wimpy and the vaccine bad.

This could be a primer for a future depopulation agenda too.

I think that most people will recover from the immune system depletion that this vaccine can possibly create, and I will not take a stance against this vaccine since some high risk people benefited by it. We will have to wait and see what evolves out of this vaccine in the future, a lot of people can't fathom that they were guinea pigs.

originally posted by: TrollMagnet

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: putnam6

Shortly, someone will post that you can expect more vaccinated people to be patients because so many are vaccinated now.
They forget that the vaccine would 'keep you from getting covid', 'keep you from spreading covid' and 'keep you out of the hospital'.

In short, the vaccines aren't working very well.

You dont need to be pro vax to make that argument, only pro math. I will NEVER take the vax, and neither will my kids, but I still want accurate numbers because otherwise I am receiving a distorted view of what's actually happening with the vax.

You can assume the vax is a placebo, and still analyze the numbers properly.

So you do need to know the vax rates of the population where these people are hitting hospitals. Is it in the country with low vax rates, or in the city with high vax rates? Assume zero protection from the vax, then see if the results from there are worse or better than the unvaxxed control group.

The overviews are not doing that.

People give "overviews" because nobody reads a dissertation on this stuff, not to mention most of what you mentioned is easily found and available to download online.

coronavirus.jhu.edu...

Everything you are asking about is available up to the county level demographics etc not to mention most places you can download the raw data

a reply to: putnam6

So every county is recording whether or not someone is vaxxed when they die?

Nope