Are colors really colors...?

When we look at things, we can see, feel and taste tangible, physical real life objects. We can distinguish between reds and blues, yellows and oranges.

I had a conversation long ago about existence itself and I argued without light, life itself nor the material world can exist. What is light? My debator argued, "you can have energy without light", ignoring the point I was trying to make entirely. What is the main purpose of light? Not to illuminate our reading spaces, but to carry information. When light passes through or refracts off of something, the photons twist in such a way which are received in your optic nerve, which trigger electrical responses to your brain. The same way a computer or phone works, or anything for that matter that uses a frequency (which is pretty much everything).

However, we do not "see" pure light in our lens, through the spectrum. As light is refracted off a piece of information, it is decepted in nature before it reaches our brain through these programmed responses. The same way you see light different in a prism.

And this brings me full circle to pyramid symbology, all seeing eye symbology and luciferianism, which you can find my other topics in regard, on my profile.

Lastly, what is the one thing that can create something from nothing, that we know of? Only one thing, that can exist outside of its creation?

The mind. Food for thought..

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
This fact shook me back in 2011 in 7th grade science class. No one had ever gone into detail about the illusion our brain created because that's what it is. We're not seeing reality in it's true and raw form, which is why I dont trust what The Powers That Be tell us reality is, this could all be some simulation for all we know. Gematria supports this tsory a bit. I will be looking into your posts because I have been wanting to read people go into detail about the things you've gone into detail about.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

What is the main purpose of light? Not to illuminate our reading spaces, but to carry information.

You are assuming light has a purpose. We glean information from all our senses not just visually from light. Everything gives off information because that's what we call the knowledge we glean from the world around us using our brains.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

I had a conversation long ago about existence itself and I argued without light, life itself nor the material world can exist. What is light? My debator argued, "you can have energy without light", ignoring the point I was trying to make entirely. What is the main purpose of light? Not to illuminate our reading spaces, but to carry information. When light passes through or refracts off of something, the photons twist in such a way which are received in your optic nerve, which trigger electrical responses to your brain. The same way a computer or phone works, or anything for that matter that uses a frequency (which is pretty much everything).

Light isn't the only means of transferring information. You can listen to a telephone in a completely dark room.

Helen Keller could not see or hear, yet she wrote a dozen books. Her information came through her sense of touch.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Colour derives from the spectrum of light we can perceive interacting with the eye and its receptors.

Colour is essentially radiation of certain range of wavelengths visible to our eyes.

I suppose the big bang ticks the something from nothing box, but its not like we are ever going to be able to observe or measure if anything came or existed before.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Does perception of color come from the physical or the mental? Did the ancient Greeks have the same eyes we have today? And if so, why was the ocean red to them?

Morality is often described with colors. We're the Greeks "black and white" in their morality and we're a million shades of gray in today's morality?

The world is a series of self constructed illusions meant to short hand concept to the brain. Looking at the same wall everyday for years on the way to work, how long until it becomes "invisible" to you? The structure as a whole is there so you move by but small imperfections slip by.

However, we do not "see" pure light in our lens, through the spectrum. As light is refracted off a piece of information, it is decepted in nature before it reaches our brain through these programmed responses. The same way you see light different in a prism.

Are you trying to say the sun is speaking to us? Or is light in the eight minute transit from the sun to earth void of information?

a reply to: oddscreenname

Apparently Man has been around in his present condition for at least the past 200,000 years.

So i imagine the ancient Greeks had the same to similar eyes as we Humans have today.

As to how they seen things, interpreted reality, well that's more about philosophy and religion as opposed to physics biology and science.

My question about colors is:

Do we all see the same colors?

For example, if me and another person look at something that is "red", does the other person really see the same color, the same red i see? Maybe he sees red but if i would look through his eyes with my mind i would see green. We both only say that it is red because we were told that what we see there is red but maybe the other persons "red" would be green in my mind.

I hope somebody gets what i mean, it´s a bit difficult to describe for me.

If creation is mind. Then everything exists in vibrations except the stillness.

a reply to: glend

My understanding is that everything in our universe is constantly in motion and vibrating.

Even objects that appear stationary are in fact vibrating, oscillating/resonating, at various different frequencies.

Then again essentially we exist within an explosion aka the big bang and current iteration of space-time.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
My question about colors is:

Do we all see the same colors?

For example, if me and another person look at something that is "red", does the other person really see the same color, the same red i see? Maybe he sees red but if i would look through his eyes with my mind i would see green.

Im using mobile at the moment, so I'm not going to try searching or c & p'ing, but it depends on the number of rods & cones. Hell, there's a painter who sees more of the spectrum than we do & her world makes the general normal perception look like we're blind moles.

Humans aside, MANY animals see more of the radiation spectrum than we do. "What the world looks like via animal eyes" (or similar) lead me to some extremely interesting comparisons no one thinks about.
Our visual receptors are crap next to them.


Humans aren't that impressive in the eyeball department. However, we're good at using multiple systems to compensate & keep up, at least, with the rest of the critters. Keeping that in mind, from a "spiritual" perspective, you can also argue the lack of full spectrum vision indicates something inferior with an ego complex.

God spoke the world into existence. The Bible indicates that God spoke and said, "Let there be light!" which would indicate that the sound of God's voice existed before light. That leads me to wonder how light is derived from sound.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Well, from a pure physics standpoint, color is exactly that; it is defined by the light which reflects off of an object. Interestingly, this is why certain colors cannot be recognized as the color they are under certain lights. Mercury vapor lights, for example, will make all greens look grey and there is absolutely no hint at all that the real color is green.

If you want to find something REALLY interesting to study, look into the "color" black. Probably one of the most interesting things I have studied in a very long while! Black is not what it seems at all. People 'think' they understand what black is, but I can assure you they completely do not (understand) the true nature of the color black.

And, without going into a lot of detail, imagine an LCD projector projecting colors up onto a blue wall in an office (we did this study). A person can easily recognize the "color" black, but it is not black! It is actually blue, and not even close to black. And, in fact, no color (of any color) can be darker than the blue wall it is projected against. It seems an abstract concept at first, but it's real. And, when you study the "color" black in particular, it hides all sorts of secrets which are real mind-benders!

We got this briefing as part of a classified project we were working on for the military. Obviously, I can't go into any details beyond this, but what I can say is..."black" is not what it seems at all! There is black, and then there is "BLACK", and I can just about guarantee you that most people have never seen the "real" color "black"!

Very, very, interesting!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

My understanding is that true black is the absence of light or the complete absorption of visible light.

Apparently there is new technology which involves using "forests of carbon nanotubes to coat a surface and make it appear very black" reflecting only 0.005 percent of light.

I agree black is interesting.

I have years of experience as a color matcher. I have near perfect color acuity. Which I was informed only a few million people in the world have this ability.

Color is determined by the wavelength each color radiates. True white is absence of all color, black is equal parts each color. Also true black is the absence of reflected light. Black and white are technically not colors. In my line of work black and white are used with other colors to adjust the tone, hue and density of a color.

Red green and blue are the dominant colors. Red has the strongest wavelength of color. By understanding how colors work with each other we can look at a color and determine if it is a warm color, more to the red/yellow spectrum, or a cool color, more to the blue/green spectrum.

Something of interest regarding color. The reason most surgical scrubs are a green color is it takes out the red in blood making it look black or dark brown. The red color of blood heightens many peoples anxiety.

Color is fascinating. How the human mind relates to colors is remarkable. However color is one part of our visual sense. I imagine each of our senses is a complex system allowing our brain to make practical sense of our practical world.

Interesting thread. Had to spout about color as I have spent hundreds of hours working with them.

a reply to: andy06shake

The stillness existed before time itself. So was never created nor can it be destroyed. So everything in time is distinct from the stillness. Like the eye at the centre of a storm that stillness is part and parcel of our nature. The awareness of our being.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
My question about colors is:

Do we all see the same colors?

For example, if me and another person look at something that is "red", does the other person really see the same color, the same red i see? Maybe he sees red but if i would look through his eyes with my mind i would see green. We both only say that it is red because we were told that what we see there is red but maybe the other persons "red" would be green in my mind.

I hope somebody gets what i mean, it´s a bit difficult to describe for me.

I get exactly what you mean and it's an interesting subject for philosophical debate.

We can prove that the wavelength is the same. And that the receptors (our eyes) are identical. And even determine that the electric pulses from our eyes to, exactly the same parts of, the brain, are identical. But we cannot know for absolute certain that our individual brains interpret this data the same and that we both see the exact same shade of colour. Though I guess the scientific argument would be that, all else being equal, there is no reason to suppose we do not see the same colour.

Of course, the same also applies to sound and taste ....

colors, like life .... is all about perception

Hmmm I like that topic, light and colors in particular have a lot of mind blowing potential.

Let's take a lemon, she appears yellow when ripe. I say appear as that is absolutely not how the lemon would describe herself.

Light has all the colors in it, which is shown with the prism. It hits an object and the chemical setup of the surface absorbs one part of the spectrum. In the case of the lemon it absorbs every spectrum except yellow. Yellow is the only color that gets reflected by the surface.

If you ask the lemon it would be anything BUT yellow. It can't stand yellow to the point of rejecting the whole spectrum associated to yellow.

This kind of made me ponder my whiteness, and the race question in general...

Black is indeed not what it seems...

Interesting point..

Do you remeber learning about phto-synthesis?

the only reason most plants are green is because this is th eonly wavelength of light that they don't absorb..

It stands to reason that this works with everything..

the only reason colours exist and we can perceive them is because whatever the object is it doesn't absorb that particular wavelength of the spectrum...

Given this, in the dark nothing has any colour...

It's only light that gives things colour..

PA