Why Would Aliens Seed Earth With Humans?

Originally posted by OpenSecret2012
Are you talking about the Matrix movies? At the end of the movies, the good guys lose. All they got was a "cease fire" from the "main bad guy". From the head computer.

I personally didn't like the last 2 matrix movies as far as philosophy goes. But I would need to see them again to really tear into them. I've only seen them once.

Are you talking about the Matrix books? Which are up to book 5? The movies have maybe 1% of anything to do with the books. The books are some of the most hardcore reading anyone will ever do. They are about real life, and completly rip apart the mind of anyone who reads them. They are also hard to get. Each one costs roughly $80.oo in US dollars.
According to the books, it's a hell of a lot more to than simply "beating the game". Everyone in existance is suppose to experience the game. Is ment to experience the game. From the lowest bum who's starving, to the richest billionaire who has no true friends.

After you die, you enter another matrix! Muhahahahaaaa! Then after that is another matrix! Muhahahahaaaa!
Told ya the books rip apart the mind of anyone who reads em!

Never read the matrix books. I don't really plan on reading them. This society is an addiction and I'm trying to quit. Only problem is you have to "beat the game" in order to quit. That is until the game ends on it's own and the next level presents itself. Or you end the game early.

This little corner of this level of the matrix has been played out. It's lame. How is it that the dumbest of the dumb rise to the top? How is it that intelligent people don't stop the insanity? These people running this planet aren't evil, they're ****ing morons. The self proclaimed leaders of today had it all handed to them. They are in no way worthy adversaries. They are barely worth mentioning anymore except they are the faces connected to the ruling Idiotocracy. They can't even rule right. They screw everything up. If the people hadn't already been brainwashed by systems already in place they wouldn't stand a chance. In other words, they are so dumb they even suck at being evil.

I know there are more levels after this. It wouldn't be an infinite and eternal universe if it ended. But this society is a dead horse and we keep beating it. Time to level the playing field. Time to actually make this interesting.

Ah, who am I kidding. It's time to chill at the beach and drink a corona.

Originally posted by OpenSecret2012

Originally posted by LDragonFire
I don't believe in creationizm. I believe humans either came from a mass of grey goo, or we were planted here by 1. other humans or 2. aliens.

But why?

For what purpose? I would understand if it were other humans spreading hummanity across the cosmos. what if?

But why aliens? what if were some alien kids 9th grade science project...

The only reasons i can think of for aliens to do this is

1. soldiers

2 workers

so many questions so little time

Congrats! You've almost nailed it on the head.
Evolution has long ago been proven to be false and fake.
The only question left is who, or what, created us Earthers.

1. The God of the Bible?

2. Other beings? Either the Nephilim mentioned in the Bible, or beings not mentioned in the Bible. Possibly beings mentioned in ancient Babylon, Egypt, Sumer?

3. A combination of 1 and 2.

Humans were created to serve God or the gods. As workers, and/or slaves. Even the Bible interrupts it's story of God creating the Earth to mention out of the blue "and there was no man to till the field".
Last I checked, "tilling the field" is a synonym for manual labour!

Some say Humans were even ment to be grown to be food for higher beings.

Care to elaborate on just how evolution has been proven to be false or fake?Ever go to school?Ever take a science course?Ever take a trip to a history museum?
Did your church leader or cult leader tell you that it's fake?What proof do you have that evolution is false or fake?The bible?Are you forgetting that the bible was written by man many years after Jesus supposedly died and is nothing more than stories?Many years of scientific research has shown that we have indeed evolved.
The greatest question for man is in fact where we came from.And since we don't know we make up things to satisfy us.That is where god comes in because well we must have been put here or created because how else could we have gotten here?
Archaeological digs and studies in greece have shown that ancient greeks in fact thought dinosaur and mammoth bones were from gods and other mythical creatures and even buried them in graves and tombs marked as such.Why?Because they didn't know what these giant bones were from so figured they must belong to gods.
Study up on Egyptian history..you'll find that the seven plagues that the bible talks about never happened.Every reference to the plagues starts out"in the bible".
As for aliens..it would be ignorant to think we are the only planet in this universe that has life.But I don't believe aliens or a god put us here to be workers or food or entertainment.

Don't you think if we were an experiment or workers that whoever or whatever put us here would be closer to us rather than having to travel from distance galaxies to keep an eye on us.Or to pick out their dinner?Or to pick up a bushel of corn from their workers?Why would they put us in this solar system instead of their own?Don't say it's because only this planet will sustain us.For if we were brought here that would mean that we were already living somewhere else.
And the whole reptilians runnin around in human disguises...sorry the people that believe that have watched too many episodes of V as a kid.

People need to quit tryin to make up fantasies as to where we really came from and start looking at the obvious.Or are you all too afraid to believe we are alone here?

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux

Originally posted by OpenSecret2012

Originally posted by LDragonFire
I don't believe in creationizm. I believe humans either came from a mass of grey goo, or we were planted here by 1. other humans or 2. aliens.

But why?

For what purpose? I would understand if it were other humans spreading hummanity across the cosmos. what if?

But why aliens? what if were some alien kids 9th grade science project...

The only reasons i can think of for aliens to do this is

1. soldiers

2 workers

so many questions so little time

Congrats! You've almost nailed it on the head.
Evolution has long ago been proven to be false and fake.
The only question left is who, or what, created us Earthers.

1. The God of the Bible?

2. Other beings? Either the Nephilim mentioned in the Bible, or beings not mentioned in the Bible. Possibly beings mentioned in ancient Babylon, Egypt, Sumer?

3. A combination of 1 and 2.

Humans were created to serve God or the gods. As workers, and/or slaves. Even the Bible interrupts it's story of God creating the Earth to mention out of the blue "and there was no man to till the field".
Last I checked, "tilling the field" is a synonym for manual labour!

Some say Humans were even ment to be grown to be food for higher beings.

Care to elaborate on just how evolution has been proven to be false or fake?

I thought everyone knew about this. But here ya go:

1. Darwin himself said it's false.

2. Forget about Dawin. There's what's called "Life or Death Facts". There's 100's of examples, but here's one:

- A bat is blind. It finds food by using ultra-sophisticated radar. While flying, targeting moving targets, while it's food is also flying. All the while the bat avoids branches, rocks, vines, makes adjustments based on wind currents, updrafts, it's prey dodging, on and on.
No bat can go millions of years without eating. Not even hundreds of years without eating. The first bat would need to have 100% perfect radar in order to survive and later breed more bats. No time to wait millions of years for trial and error while it perfects its radar system.
No chance the first bat mysteriously, instantly, mutated a 100% perfect radar system from nothing, from not having any radar system before.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Ever go to school?Ever take a science course?Ever take a trip to a history museum?

Yes. Me and classmates constantly made our science teacher cry. We got detention almost every day LOL!
We challenge everyone! "creationists" and "evolutionists" ! Muhahahaaaa!

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Did your church leader or cult leader tell you that it's fake?What proof do you have that evolution is false or fake?The bible?

I don't believe in the church or organized religion. After doing my own through personal research, I've found it's all one big scam. Plus 95% of what modern religion teaches isn't even in the Bible LOL! It comes from Roman Emperor Constantine and his meeting at Nicea.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Are you forgetting that the bible was written by man many years after Jesus supposedly died and is nothing more than stories?

Ummm... actually the Bible was written thousands of years before Jesus was alive. Some was written while he was alive. And some was written after he died.
Everything in the Bible is corroborated by outside sources. All the Bible cities have been found. The Serarit Temple was found (It's where Moses hung out for a while.) Archives, libraries from other ancient civilizations support what's in the Bible... Roman archives, Egypt, Babylon, Persian, Syrian, Hittite, Chaldean, Assyerian, Akkadian, and Sumarian archives all support what's in the Bible.

It's true the original Old Hebrew/Hebrew and Aramaic Bible has on purpose been misstranslated in modern Bibles. Most notably Psalm 83:18, Genesis 1:8 (Look em up in the King James Version, then compare em to other Bible Versions. You can do this in any major bookstore if ya don't want to buy a ton of Bibles LOL!)

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Many years of scientific research has shown that we have indeed evolved.

1/3 of the research was fraud done on purpose. 1/2 of it is simple make believe. (For example, finding a thigh bone then having an artist draw what the entire humanoid "must've" looked like.)
Then you have C. Darwin himself saying he doesn't believe in Evolution.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
The greatest question for man is in fact where we came from.And since we don't know we make up things to satisfy us.That is where god comes in because well we must have been put here or created because how else could we have gotten here?

Technically God, Yahweh, the angels, the Son of Dawn, are all aliens.
In reality, both "evolutionists" and "creationists" belive in the same thing! Aliens created humans. "Evolutionists" just don't believe in the same alien or aliens, that "creationists" believe in.
Yeah many Evolutionists say they believe all life accidently mutated, and/or evoloved millions, billions, of years... but technically for evolutionists it's a possibility aliens other than the ones in the Bible made humans....

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Archaeological digs and studies in greece have shown that ancient greeks in fact thought dinosaur and mammoth bones were from gods and other mythical creatures and even buried them in graves and tombs marked as such.Why?Because they didn't know what these giant bones were from so figured they must belong to gods.

I got something even better for ya.
In S. America ancient people made drawings of live dinosaurs living with humans. Intresting, eh?

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Study up on Egyptian history..you'll find that the seven plagues that the bible talks about never happened.Every reference to the plagues starts out"in the bible".

I've already did. I never said I 100% follow the modern translation of the Bible.
95% of all Bibles are misstranslated on purpose from the original Old Hebrew/Hebrew, and Aramaic languages the original Bible was written in. The King James Version is the lest misstranslated English version. But even it still has misstranslations in it.

Even the Bible itself, in its original form, tells how humans lived on Earth millions, to billions, of years before Adam and Eve were made.
Go to any major bookstore, look in the King James Version:
Genesis 9:1 it says "REplenish/REfill" in its verse. Now look up Genesis 1:8 and it says "REplenish/REfill" in its verse!
Funny thing is, other Bible versions on purpose change the wording to something else 100% different LOL! You can compare em all at the bookstore (for free too!).

I see the Bible as a good book to help study history with. (The original Old Hebrew/Hebrew and Aramaic Bible versions... not the modern fake Bibles 95% misstranslated on purpose.)
Along with other ancient books, and scrolls. Like theEnuma Elish, Epic of Gilgamesh, Adapa Tablet, Legend of Sharru-Kin, and more.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
As for aliens..it would be ignorant to think we are the only planet in this universe that has life.But I don't believe aliens or a god put us here to be workers or food or entertainment.

I agree with you all the way.
Humans for food and/or slaves/workers is just one possibility. I never said it's the only possibility. I, you, everyone else, won't know for sure until they decide to let the curtain down.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Don't you think if we were an experiment or workers that whoever or whatever put us here would be closer to us rather than having to travel from distance galaxies to keep an eye on us.Or to pick out their dinner?Or to pick up a bushel of corn from their workers?Why would they put us in this solar system instead of their own?Don't say it's because only this planet will sustain us.

Modern technology is 2,000 to 200 years old (the oldest computer was found in the middle east, it dates back to around 100 B.C.) There's beings out there that are millions, billions, trillions, and maybe more, older. It's arrogant to think that space travel for them would take long, when they travel long distance.
Good article to check out is:

www.nexusmagazine.com...

It seems like a long read, but it gets more and more intresting. Relax, it's not pushing the Bible. Force yourself to read all of it, to the end. It gives a peek at other known ways of space travel faster than light. Near instant travel over long distances.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
For if we were brought here that would mean that we were already living somewhere else.

Yep. I personally don't believe this, but it's still a 1% possibility.
I'm still reasearching, always still learning though.

But the general idea from people like Zecharia Sitchin, is that other beings genetically experimented until they made us. His evidence can't be 100% proven... nor 100% disproven.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
And the whole reptilians runnin around in human disguises...sorry the people that believe that have watched too many episodes of V as a kid.

Actually, the idea is they don't wear physical disguises. They surround theirselves with a type of field. If you're really curious about doing more research, go to any major bookstore (like Barnes & Noble. Strand, whatever) and ask where their books by David Icke are at. All major bookstores on purpose allow customers to read any book for freeee. They even have chairs and tables set up for free reading.
Start off with "The Biggest Secret" then "And the Truth Shall Set You Free". Then which ever of his other books intrest you.

At least do your own personal, and through research, on the subject before deciding to accept all of it, some of it, or not accepting all of it, or some of it.


A much better movie to check out is They Live! "V" was an OK movie. It scratched the surface a few times. "They Live!" is one of the most hardcore movies ever made. IMHO it's 99% true. One of the few movies in which ALL the good guys... die! LOL! None of this "good will some how win, no matter what the odds, cuz good is... good!".

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
People need to quit tryin to make up fantasies as to where we really came from and start looking at the obvious.Or are you all too afraid to believe we are alone here?

I see your point. The thing is, there's sooooo much evidence, toooo much evidence, that shows us humans or Earthers, aren't the only sentient life. That other beings visited our planet in the past. That there's nothing stopping them from being here right now, or coming back in the future.

- Forget about the Great Pyramids. The Baalbek Stones are the most mysterious objects on the planet. The biggest one weighs as much as 3 of the biggest passenger jumbo planes. How were they pefectly cut? Moved? Lifted? Fitted into place using no motar?

- What knocked the planet Uranus over sideways? It's the only planet that orbits with it's poles facing the sun.

- What created the 2 astroid belts in our solar system? Something destroyed a planet, and either another planet or a large moon.

- How come the 2 "moons" of Mars vanished last year in 2004?

- Why does the Bible say humans lived on Earth millions, billions, of years before Adam and Eve were made?

- How come in the original Hebew, in the Old Testament, it says "the Elohim" created Adam and Eve? Elohim is plural for "the gods".
(some of it leaked out even in the misstranslations when it says "Let US create man in OUR image...", and when Adam and Eve get kicked out Eden. And when the tower of Babel is stopped "Let US go down there...")

- Why does the Bible say the Son of Dawn ruled Eden millions, billions, of years before ... ummm.... Eden and Adam and Eve were made? And that the Son of Dawn regularly traveled to different planets in his spaceship?(since he was in physical form, wearing a physical unifrom made with precioius stones from the earth?)

- Why does the Bible say 1 Angel got beaten to a pulp, and it took 21 days for God (Yahweh) to send reinforcements to save the first angel?

- How come 3 new planets suddently appeared in our solar system last year 2004? And 1 of them is moving straight towards our planet, due to arrive in 2012?
(NY Times, March 16, 2004 front page.)
(Discover Magazine, Nov 2004, coverstory)
(Both are available at major libraries on microfilm, and in the periodicals department.)

- How come there's pyramids, and a spynx, on Mars? (in the Cydonia region.)

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Most of us consider such assertions so far off that we won't bother to answer them, point by point. What you don't seem to comprehend is that genetic mutations occur with each generation. 50,000 generations of humans occur in just 1 million years, and, within each generation there are millions of individuals, many of whom develop different mutations at the same time. In bats, there would be 100,000 generations in 1 million years, millions of whom could mutate during any generation, giving those individuals a better survival rate, afterward. Darwin never refuted his own theory. The fossil and genetic records prove him correct. Maybe aliens added to human genetics, at remote intervals, but we see almost all of the changes in fossils, not through intervention.

Quote us on that "12th planet." I never saw such a story, and I read both the Times and check Discover each week when I go to the local news stand. No planet is about to collide here in 6 years, any more than the world ended in 2000. The Earth has existed 4.5 billion years. If there were such a planet, we wouldn't be here.

Did you go to college, and, if so, what did you study? Have you ever done an experiment? Have you ever published on any subject, science or no?



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Experiment gone wrong?

I think you guys are clearly missing the whole reason why we were planted here on Earth. We are clearly here to find the meaning of the number 42.

OK first things first, if you believe that you as you are now is the best you could ever possibly achieve is depressing. I firmly believe that humans can grow as a species. To be more than what we are...To Advance.....is this not evolution? ...What of the tribe in Indonisia that survived the tsunami....they can see twice as far underwater.....can hold there breath twice as long as we can.....Is this not evolution....?

We could very well have been a experiment gone wrong?..humans are much more than we were 5,000 years ago.


Maybe were here because of a Gigantic struggle between human like creature..like elfs, angles, dwarfs...ect Vs. Demon like, dragon, troll, ork,saurian ect

I don't put my trust in a book written during the bronze age

But it does mention the Neflem ????? Giants,



Maybe atlantis was destroyed in the battle of humans against our keepers??

You don't think that we evolved naturally and that if aliens did come here we would be either:
- the ultimate success story in evolution (from our point of view)
- front row seats to natural history

Look lets stop the BS and get down to how they think rather than to try to use our own philosophy and comprehension to try to understand them.

EBE's would have a huge understanding of the Universe, which means they don't think like us. They understand and comprehend like Budda might( a balance must exist) which means that there is no right or wrong. that they think more mathematical than we do. We are unfortunetly bound to the invisible walls that we don't see.

In a similiar but greater way to how the people on Earth are populating Earth, all races of people throughout all the Universes are populating the Universes.

Originally posted by gl2
Most of us consider such assertions so far off that we won't bother to answer them, point by point.

Forget about the Bible. The stuff (like the Baalbek Stones ), all exist. You can visit 'em right now. No modern scientist who wants to keep his cushy job, dares comment on them. No modern technology can move them. So how were they moved by ancient humans?

Originally posted by gl2
What you don't seem to comprehend is that genetic mutations occur with each generation. 50,000 generations of humans occur in just 1 million years, and, within each generation there are millions of individuals, many of whom develop different mutations at the same time. In bats, there would be 100,000 generations in 1 million years, millions of whom could mutate during any generation, giving those individuals a better survival rate, afterward.

No bat can go 1 million years without food while waiting for its radar system to "accidently mutate" into a perfected radar system.
The very, very, very, first bat needs it's radar system to instantly mutate into a perfected radar system. Or else it would die from not being able to catch its food. It's impossible for 2 generations, let alone 100 generations, 1,000 generations, 49,000 generations, of bats to mutate and mutate and mutate until they have a perfected radar system. The very first bat needs it's radar system to instantly mutate into a perfected radar system. Or it will die and no more bats will be produced after it.

The very first bat would have to go from having absolutly no radar system at all, to instantly having a 100% perfected radar system accidently mutate.

Originally posted by gl2
Darwin never refuted his own theory. The fossil and genetic records prove him correct.

I was waiting for ya to say this.
I'll soon be posting the links, and sources which back up the fact C. Darwin said his theory is fake. And what his real ulterior motive was. (He was a racist, supremist. He, his father, and grandfather belonged to secret societies. They were promoting the idea of a super-race before Hitler came on the scene. Hitler later built on the work of Dawin and his son C. Darwin.)

Originally posted by gl2
Maybe aliens added to human genetics, at remote intervals,

Glad to see we both agree all the way on this!

Originally posted by gl2
but we see almost all of the changes in fossils, not through intervention.

1. Not every life form become fossilized.
2. As Sitchen and Icke point out, no scientist has been able to explain how suddently 3 major civilizations sprung up at the same time. Going from "primative eras" to near instantly becoming super-sophisticated. The Sumarian civilization, the Indus civilization, and the S. American civilization.

Originally posted by gl2
Quote us on that "12th planet." I never saw such a story, and I read both the Times and check Discover each week when I go to the local news stand.

Now go to your local library. Go to the periodical section. Tell them you want on microfilm:
NY Times. March 16, 2004 It's right there on the front page, near the bottom right area. It was a cover story. It's continued inside the paper.

While your at the periodical section, ask for the November 2004 issue of Discover Magazine.. All 3 of the newest planets are shown on the cover. It's the entire cover story. Inside the magazine maybe 8 pages are devoted to the story.

Originally posted by gl2
No planet is about to collide here in 6 years, any more than the world ended in 2000. The Earth has existed 4.5 billion years. If there were such a planet, we wouldn't be here.

Who said anything about colliding? I said it's moving towards Earth and will arrive in 2012. Not collide with Earth. But arrive at earth. Some say it's really a space ship disquised as a planetary body. (Like the 2 Moons of Mars which suddently appeared in the late 1800's and dissappeared in 2004).

Some say it's a planet, but its inhabitants have the technology to move it.

Whatever the case, the thing is sooo bright, its as bright as, or brighter than, Mars. Bright, shining, red. Modern scientists who want to keep their jobs, all say they're baffled why it's glowing red.

Originally posted by gl2
Did you go to college, and, if so, what did you study? Have you ever done an experiment? Have you ever published on any subject, science or no?

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I am college educated. But everything can be learned on your own from studying 1 year in any major library. Then going to major librairies in other countries and studying their versions of history, and same subjects. Then comparing everyting.
The mass history, and other subjects taught in American schools, including college, is either watered down, 99% inaccurate, or blatantly false information.
For example:
The biggest scam going on in America -
The Federal Reserve is illegal. Search this site for threads on it for all the evidence about it. The true history of it is never taught in any college or school.

The 2nd biggest scam going on in America
The IRS, and the idea of paying a Federal Income Tax is illegal! It was never legally passed into law! Anyone who takes the IRS to court automatically wins. The last guy to win was a buisnessman in the mid 1980's. None of this is taught in any college or school.

It's the Rockerfeller family in the early 1900's that got directly involved in deciding what textbooks American schools used, and what info would be in the text books. So being college educated doesn't automatically mean one is educated. It means one is more likely to be even more misseducated.

I will say learning advanced math requires a teacher, and can't be learned on one's own. Other than math, everything else can be learned on one's own. The same history books, economic books, art books, philosphy books, science books, used in college can be read in any bookstore, or library.

I was able to do all science experiments in Elementry School lab, and High School Lab. We had bunsen burners, along with full labratories in our science classes. I had most fun making acids. Back then school policy was first parents signed forms, then if any kid got hurt, hey, it'll teach him/her to turn on their common sense next time. Many kids in my High School even went directly into getting science jobs after graduationg High School. Starting pay 35 thousand a year. One of my first jobs was for a computer place, and it was based on my High School electronics education classes.

I still remember many kids always saying to the teachers in college "what the h--- do I need this for? I already know what I need. This stuff is only good for if I decide to become a teacher." The teachers would just smile. I remember in college I signed up for some computer course just to learn about 1 specific item. I was told I still had to take some other computer course before taking the one I wanted because they both went together. (I wanted to take 'Part II'. They told me I had to take 'Part I' before I could take 'Part II'.)
I argued with them for days in the office telling 'em I already knew the stuff in the first course ('Part I'). If they didn't believe it, then give me the final test right then and there. "We can't give you the final test because you haven't completed the course yet." (for 'Part I'). Grrrrr!

I'd regularly go find an upperclassman/woman, pay em 100 bucks (sometimes they'd do it for free.) for all their notes, and homework assignements, they did the previous year for whatever class I was signing up for. (Not to get the answers, but to get the questions/assignements.) I got in advance what 100% to 50% of the homework assignements were, then I'd do them all. Have the entire semester of homework done the first 1-4 weeks LOL!

I learned more in the last 6 months of going to the bookstore, and library, and internet sites, than in 8 years of school. Real, hardcore, unwatered down, truthful, education. This site AboveTopSecret.com even helped me learn some new and usefull stuff never talked about in any college or school. Official school is needed IMHO up to maybe 4th grade - 6th grade. After one learns to read well (the most important thing), and write well, one can learn eveything else on their own. By going to bookstores, libraries, and using the internet to look up subjects of intrest quicker and check them out (certain books, newspapers, on and on.)

Except for math, and advanced math. Math, and advanced math IMHO can all be learned by time one is in 11th or 12 grade.

College isn't needed. 'Cept if one's gonna work for someone else. Need a paper to show as proof ya know what you know you know. The first buisnessmen never went to College (Mayer Bauer.... never head of him? He later changed his family name to Rothschild. The first Rockerfellers, the first Morgans, Windsors, Sinclairs, Chases, Fords, Dillingers, Merigovignians. On and on.) Buisness, economics, running a company, running a bank, managing, hiring, advertising, hasn't changed since their days. They just did like MicroSoft now does. They "got in" then made it as hard as possible for others to "get in" after them. Like requiring a college education (misseducation), on and on.

But back to the main topic. "Why would Aliens seed the Earth with Humans?".
- Do you believe in the possiblilty of Aliens?

If yes, then you and I fully agree on everything else. On the "big picuture". You just have to do your own personal and through research to agree on the finer points I believe in. Start with researching the origins of the Federal Reserve, the origins of the IRS and the idea of paying Income Tax. This'll all lead to more finer points in the bigger picture.

Someone else on this site (in the Federal Reserve thread) once pointed out that every single topic at this site, could be covered in just 3 threads! And he's right heheheh. But for you, or anyone else, to understand what he understood (and what I understand).... ya gotta do the through research yourself. Not go by what I and others say we've found out and accept. A good book to start with is "And the Truth Shall Set You Free" by David Icke. (You can read it for free at any bookstore.) Look up all his sources he lists at the end of every chapter. Your brain will suffer a brainquake and you'll be like "I never knew this! WTF? And... I checked out all his sources! And I've found out for myself its all true!".

Expect to spend a lotta time at the library in the periodical department

You know what i hate about evolution theorys, you have the apes still and you have us humans still but were is the in betweens, the half ape, half human creatures, and dont come back with they evolved into us cause if that was the case then no apes would exist either, this reason alone is why i dont belive we evolved from apes.

as for the questions regarding alien experiments, well i have no theory on this at all, its possible we could be but who knows and i dont suppose in our lifetimes we ever will know for certain 100%

Okay, I have a theory on my mind. Okay, say that the aliens are playing a videogame. The Sims. Instead of it being The Sims it's called "The Humans". We're created from data or whatever you want to call it, but anyways. We're set here on the Earth and the Aliens want to see how long we can live, but before we're put on the planet they get bored and quit and delete thier past game since we aren't able to cope with the dinosaurs they would just kill us once we set foot on the planet. They send a large meteor down to Earth killing the dinosaurs. We are thier new game, and Earth is they're own little board where we run around on. They don't necessarily control our actions, but they can controls what happens to us(fate) and how it happens. The aliens come down to visit us and see how we're doing and see if they're little "game" is still running correctly.

There we have it, the abductions. Theres a few chosen "Main Characters" that they pick and they abduct them so that they make sure they end up the way they want them to be(strong,ect). They are the main focus and they are the people who they play around with alot of the time. Therefore giving those people a sense of feeling that they where put on this world to acomplish something. While they play "The Humans" they sit where ever they live at and think of another game to play. Once they finally find a better game to play they delete thier past game "The Humans" with some huge catastrophy to thier likings like you would on "The Sims" where you would just want to kill your Sims in a desirable position that you like(fires,ect.) something that makes you happy. I'm not saying that it's true, and I don't beleive it 100% and neither do you guys. It's just something that I think would make sense to me.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Why Would Aliens Seed Earth With Humans?

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The only reasons i can think of for aliens to do this is

1. soldiers

2 workers

Consider case #1 in light of how warfare is advancing as humanity advances. Our weapons are getting a lot more powerful and fewer and fewer humans are required to wage war. Also, we are fighting less and less. Extrapolating our advancement into the future, it seems logical that an advanced race would have incredibly powerful weapons at their disposal that could virtually fight wars for them, and in addition they would most likely have abandoned war altogether. Both points indicate they wouldn't need human soldiers. So #1 is out.

I fully expect humanity to advance the same way. If we don't, I expect the evolutionary process of natural selection to remove humanity from existance. I have to admit I'm somewhat comforted by the fact that natural laws may prevent us from expanding beyond our solar system if we don't reach a certain level of social achievement.

As for case #2, also consider what technology allows us to accomplish, and extrapolate that into the future. The machines we build do an increasing portion of our work. Continuing this trend, it stands that an advanced race would prefer their own machines for work over lazy, weak humans. So #2 is out.

I've read some claims that aliens used humans as miners in ancient times. I find that laughable. Right now, at our current level of technology, we can almost completely automate mining with robots. Why would advanced aliens resort to inefficient human miners with pickaxes when they could build even better robots than we can now?

Originally posted by EarthSister
"Evidence" can be fabricated or just mentioned for that end, as easily as true evidence is discredited with the mere suggestion by the same powers. This is commonplace, and as easy as the people are ignorant of it.

Good evidence is difficult to refute. If there are really benelovent aliens in our skies, why don't they provide us with good evidence of their existance and intentions?

Originally posted by EarthSister
Right now, the only way you can really learn the truth for yourself is to get to know the alien races.

If so, they aren't very forthcoming, which means the truth is denied the majority. Which includes myself. Sigh.

Originally posted by EarthSister
Of course we evolved through natural changes and increases over great time as the fossils show. But we still started from our very beginning as DNA matter. (Think amebas or something.) That DNA matter got here to this planet from another planet of life, who are the exact same DNA as we are.

So, you're saying that your alien contacts told you that all life on Earth was seeded, not just the human species?

Originally posted by EarthSister
In a similiar but greater way to how the people on Earth are populating Earth, all races of people throughout all the Universes are populating the Universes.

We have no evidence that the Earth was intentionally seeded with life by extraterrestrials. But I have to admit that if that were true, this is the most plausible reason I've seen presented.

Originally posted by OpenSecret2012
I'll soon be posting the links, and sources which back up the fact C. Darwin said his theory is fake.

Sorry, science doesn't work like that. If a scientist postulates a theory and then supports it with good evidence, the only way it can be dismissed is by refuting it with stronger counterevidence, or a better theory that has better evidence. Scientists don't have any special power or privilige over the knowledge they impart on the world.

It's different if someone tells you something, and then later tells you they were lying. That is retracted testimony. But Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution is more than mere testimony. He postulated it and provided objective evidence for it. And others that followed provided greater objective evidence supporting it. objective evidence cannot be retracted like testimony.

So it doesn't matter what links and sources you provide. They are irrelevent.

Originally posted by OpenSecret2012
The very first bat would have to go from having absolutly no radar system at all, to instantly having a 100% perfected radar system accidently mutate.

Bats are blind, but they do have eyes. I surmise that bat ancestors had good eyesight and limited sonar. Over time, their eyesight got worse and worse, while their sonar got better and better. Eventually they became completely blind, but by then had evolved perfect sonar.

Feel free to provide another example for me to refute. It's fun.

I'd refute other things you've said in this thread, but I don't have the time...

Originally posted by michael_vts
You know what i hate about evolution theorys, you have the apes still and you have us humans still but were is the in betweens, the half ape, half human creatures, and dont come back with they evolved into us cause if that was the case then no apes would exist either, this reason alone is why i dont belive we evolved from apes.

Evolutionary theory doesn't propose that we evolved from apes. It proposes we evolved from some ancestor that we have in common with apes. There are no "half apes" because they all evolved into either us or apes, which explains why we exist alongside apes in this world.

Originally posted by OpenSecret2012
A good book to start with is "And the Truth Shall Set You Free" by David Icke. (You can read it for free at any bookstore.) Look up all his sources he lists at the end of every chapter.

I was going to strongly argue against this, but I think you're the same guy I argued with over this in another thread and I don't want to repeat that. So I'll limit myself to: What you said about being able to find any college/university textbook in regular bookstores is true and I encourage people to pick them up. In particular, I recommend reading books on rational argument, critical thinking, and rhetoric before reading Icke's stuff.


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Ok I still hold on to the belief that we are soldiers

Any kind of inter-galactic conflict would be enormous, on a Huge scale nothing like what we expierince on Earth, it would make WWII look like a police raid on a crack house.

Imagine what 500 million human soldiers with Space ships of all kinds Battleships, carriers, cruisers, destroyers, fighters, bombers, transport ships. Invading a planet the size of Saturn....or 5 different Saturns. To battle indigeous peoples for there home, then to hold such planet.

Now take 500 million humans mining or manufactoring all this equipment. If the aliens used all robots, it still requiers mass amounts of energy and resorses, which would be cheaper?

I wonder which would be more effient?

With robots there is allways the threat of those bein invaded to figure out how to reprogram the robots and to turn them loose on there masters.

just a thought

Well, I don't believe in any of this nonsense, but I'll bite, anyways.

Maybe all life on planet Earth is a result of somebody's science experiment that set out to prove that abiogenesis is possible.

Zip

For our cosmic evolution and their cosmic ascension.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
I don't believe in creationizm. I believe humans either came from a mass of grey goo, or we were planted here by 1. other humans or 2. aliens.

But why?

For what purpose? I would understand if it were other humans spreading hummanity across the cosmos. what if?

But why aliens? what if were some alien kids 9th grade science project...

The only reasons i can think of for aliens to do this is

1. soldiers

2 workers

so many questions so little time

I thought the prevailing "seed" theory was that we are a breeeding resource.
I'd like to think my boss is an alien, but she's just mean.
And if thay seeded the planet with us, say 100,000 years ago as soldiers, thats not very good military planning, since back then we had no technology, claws, fangs, armor or anything. All we could do was pick up a club and work together. Not exactly impressive by alien standards, I would imagine.

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Originally posted by LDragonFire
I still believe we are soldiers.....humans with technology are very dangerous on a battlefield...and there are so many of us...just look at what we do to each other...our history is full of wars...actually that is how history is taught....just think of what will happen when we are unleashed and travel beyond our solar system....we will not enter space as peace lovers........We want resources...we want to eat...we want technology...ect...

If I were aliens observing us the thought of humans expolring the universe would be unnerving....the caveman in all of us is a mindset that shows no sign in fading away....and lets say the aliens that seeded earth with humans are using religon to guide us to do there bidding....human must by instict control and dominate there surroundings....

I believe humans will be like the evil empire in star wars...and not like star trek humans.

Something like this

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Ok

I believe the dinosaurs were the true inhabatints of Earth. What i don't know Is what happened to them. Did they leave?..Did early or first humans wipe them out?...are reptile "aliens"..ancestors of earth dinosaurs?like on star trek voyager?

If we were put here by other humans.....AND IF they still exist, they would have all our answers... Were we came from...ect but so would a alien race if they were responsible for us bein here, other than abductions they haven't seem to be hostile

Berhaps a universal war between humans and saurians...imagine 100 human or humanlike inhabited planets vs. 1000 saurians and demon looking races.

or this...no facts just my theory or Opinions