Ontario, Canada Covid hospitalizations vaccinated versus the unvaccinated

originally posted by: doorhandle

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: putnam6

Tons of nurses are out sick. That's a lot of it. How many of them are truly sick or truly have Covid or are that sick, not sure. I had insanely long wait to get in my bank today in part because they have people out sick. All I can say for sure is that I am increasingly annoyed by the tyranny, unfairness, BS, and spirit-throttling nature of this whole corrupt ordeal. If I can ever get out of my city I will never live in one again if I can help it.

Not even sure many are even sick, just testing positive so they have to stay at home. The world seems obsessed with testing people now.

The vast majority are with very light symptoms, chilling at home, some probably at work.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: rickymouse
The vaccine just lowers the severity of the virus in some people. It doesn't help those at severe risk much at all, and actually because the vaccinated have false confidence of not being able to spread it, they are causing more harm than good in the world.

This is why a vaccine rollout on a coronavirus fails, now we have persons fully vaccinated for the Delta variant, and this vaccine seems ineffective for the emerging Omnicron. Thus vaccines and boosters for everybody every 6 months.

Actually there are some Delta spreading in the US and abroad that are mutated now so that the vaccine will not work very well on it, booster or not. I read that on a medical site. These coronaviruses are pretty good at mutating in people. From what I read in that article, the slightly mutated Delta was no more serious than the present Delta, but who knows what will happen in the future though.

I was trying to give the pro vaxxers the benefit of doubt, hell I even think you mentioned this way back when as well.

FWIW the only reason Im posting so much is Ive got something sore scratchy throat, slightly feverous head, and body aches
already napped twice since this morning

I look at

nextstrain.org...

you are correct and it shows 4 active clades in North America, Delta 21 J 75% dominant Omnicron 22% emerging, and Delta 21 I that's been hanging around since last January and less than 1% is Delta 21 A

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: putnam6
In B.C. they give ICU #s just for Covid affected, right now 220 in hospital, 70-ish of those, in ICU. These #s are strictly for the vid.
experience.arcgis.com...

Thanks, you do see where Im coming from

what is the total number of all patients in the ICU, for any reason.

I only say this because here in Georgia that's when friends and family in the field started freaking a bit when the ratio was over 30% Covid patients.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: putnam6
In B.C. they give ICU #s just for Covid affected, right now 220 in hospital, 70-ish of those, in ICU. These #s are strictly for the vid.
experience.arcgis.com...

Thanks, you do see where Im coming from

what is the total number of all patients in the ICU, for any reason.

I only say this because here in Georgia that's when friends and family in the field started freaking a bit when the ratio was over 30% Covid patients.

Yes, I do understand, I only bother looking at our #s, because they are fairly transparent here.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: putnam6
In B.C. they give ICU #s just for Covid affected, right now 220 in hospital, 70-ish of those, in ICU. These #s are strictly for the vid.
experience.arcgis.com...

Thanks, you do see where Im coming from

what is the total number of all patients in the ICU, for any reason.

I only say this because here in Georgia that's when friends and family in the field started freaking a bit when the ratio was over 30% Covid patients.

Yes, I do understand, I only bother looking at our #s, because they are fairly transparent here.

Yes I would agree however how transparent can it be when it gathers the numbers of COVID patients in the hospital but we don't know how many total patients there are?


Hell the only reason I look at Ontario was that it was the only place showing easily accessed numbers of COVID patients vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

The low totals were a surprise to me I was expecting more

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: putnam6
In B.C. they give ICU #s just for Covid affected, right now 220 in hospital, 70-ish of those, in ICU. These #s are strictly for the vid.
experience.arcgis.com...

Thanks, you do see where Im coming from

what is the total number of all patients in the ICU, for any reason.

I only say this because here in Georgia that's when friends and family in the field started freaking a bit when the ratio was over 30% Covid patients.

Yes, I do understand, I only bother looking at our #s, because they are fairly transparent here.

Yes I would agree however how transparent can it be when it gathers the numbers of COVID patients in the hospital but we don't know how many total patients there are?


Hell the only reason I look at Ontario was that it was the only place showing easily accessed numbers of COVID patients vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

The low totals were a surprise to me I was expecting more

Gotcha, on vid vs non vid #s I would think they are probably out there, in some form, if one knows where to dig it up..here anyway, with one public health authority it should be easy enough to compile the data.

I think they are blowing Omicron way out of proportion, acting on worse case scenarios, and evidence shows it's far from any worse case situation.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: putnam6
In B.C. they give ICU #s just for Covid affected, right now 220 in hospital, 70-ish of those, in ICU. These #s are strictly for the vid.
experience.arcgis.com...

Does that seem low or high in a population of 5.2 million?

I ask legitimately cause I don't know? to me, it seems low. Especially with the surge in cases, it seems really low.

I did find this however with January 4th as the last update

data.ontario.ca... a06c-da127ec41a33

So using the other information with this

Ontario ICU total hospitalizations all causes

total_adult_icu_patients 1715

total COVID patients unvaxxed 86

total COVID patients full or partially vaxxed 63

available_adult_icu_beds 628

total_adult_icu_beds 2343

to this end, only 5.1% of all ICU beds are occupied by unvaxxed COVID patients 86

and 3.6% of all ICU beds are occupied by fully or partially vaccinated COVID patients 63

91.3% of Ontario's ICU patients currently are there for non-covid reasons

the difference in ICU patients vaxxed/full or partial vs unvaxxed percentages wise is 1.3%

a reply to: putnam6
I'm too burnt out to really look right now..lol. But they are probably correct, the problem is staffing beds, it's a tight ship, and staff are burned out, or sick..some let go for non compliance..

Locally in B.C., they added 80 hospitalisations today, data dump an hour ago, and 13 of that to ICU, so that's not really good, we are now closer to were it was with Alpha and Delta, in terms of hospitalisation. If this continues, it will be a problem. The next week, I will be watching. They have cancelled some surgeries, thats the trickle down effects, anybodies guess if that was 100% necessary.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: putnam6
I'm too burnt out to really look right now..lol. But they are probably correct, the problem is staffing beds, it's a tight ship, and staff are burned out, or sick..some let go for non compliance..

Locally in B.C., they added 80 hospitalisations today, data dump an hour ago, and 13 of that to ICU, so that's not really good, we are now closer to were it was with Alpha and Delta, in terms of hospitalisation. If this continues, it will be a problem. The next week, I will be watching. They have cancelled some surgeries, thats the trickle down effects, anybodies guess if that was 100% necessary.

I hear you, I was talking to a friend who is an EMT basically most hospitals in his region, the difference between stressed and normal is an increase of 6-7% in patients.

it is definitely about the stress being put on the hospitals, I agree completely. Perhaps it's time to bring in the military if it's so stressed


Im, just a stats nut, believe after 2 years we sought to have enough data points, to make some semidefinite conclusions.

I enjoyed reading 'How to lie with statistics" there is a definite subtle art to it, it's used in my career choice all the time.

FWIW been watching the ICU's here in the states on the only source that consistently had numbers (32 states) at the all-time high we had 14 states with over 1000 patients in the ICU, at the current rate there is just 4 and every one of those is among our highest populated

a reply to: putnam6

Yup. And where back in lock down come midnight.
Kids are out of school for a few weeks - see how long that lasts this time.

a reply to: putnam6
Our public health person just spoke, despite the 80 new hospitalisations, she said no new restrictions, she said we all know what to do, and just do it. It's a good sign, or at least a sign that they understand, we just have to figure out living with it..which really, was inevitable. I'm super happy I don't live in Ontario, or Quebec.

I enjoyed reading 'How to lie with statistics" there is a definite subtle art to it, it's used in my career choice all the time.

Stats, and polls!

FWIW been watching the ICU's here in the states on the only source that consistently had numbers (32 states) at the all-time high we had 14 states with over 1000 patients in the ICU, at the current rate there is just 4 and every one of those is among our highest populated

For sure population density is a huge factor, interestingly though, the less densly populated regions had more issues here, less vaccination rates, and smaller hospitals, just a few months back, further north, they were shipping patients to places hundreds of miles away, due to units being full, and that is probably related to staff, more than space..my guess.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: putnam6
Our public health person just spoke, despite the 80 new hospitalisations, she said no new restrictions, she said we all know what to do, and just do it. It's a good sign, or at least a sign that they understand, we just have to figure out living with it..which really, was inevitable. I'm super happy I don't live in Ontario, or Quebec.

I enjoyed reading 'How to lie with statistics" there is a definite subtle art to it, it's used in my career choice all the time.

Stats, and polls!

FWIW been watching the ICU's here in the states on the only source that consistently had numbers (32 states) at the all-time high we had 14 states with over 1000 patients in the ICU, at the current rate there is just 4 and every one of those is among our highest populated

For sure population density is a huge factor, interestingly though, the less densely populated regions had more issues here, less vaccination rates, and smaller hospitals, just a few months back, further north, they were shipping patients to places hundreds of miles away, due to units being full, and that is probably related to staff, more than space..my guess.

Well some would say that's just the natural progression of a coronavirus as it moves through the population, just back in November our small mountain towns and counties that had avoided all this time were finally hit, with only 76 ICU beds in a 11-12 county region.

Just got a call from a friend. There are 3 adults and three teens in her house. All but two of them are triple vaccinated. The only ones not sick are the two that were not vaccinated.

Coincidence? Perhaps, but this matches my own personal experience, and the experience of another friend that had family visit from out of State during Christmas. Both visitors came down with the virus while traveling. She and her husband nursed them back to health. The visiting members also were triple vaccinated, just so they could make the trip home to see their unvaccinated parents. The parents did not get sick.

I think this virus is not what they claim it is. I think it is time that we file 13 everything they have being selling and pushing. Our governments have sold us out. We can't believe or trust anything they say or do. We need to band together and work together to salvage what we can from this chaotic mess.

a reply to: putnam6

Figures from Scotland.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Just got a call from a friend. There are 3 adults and three teens in her house. All but two of them are triple vaccinated. The only ones not sick are the two that were not vaccinated.

Coincidence? Perhaps, but this matches my own personal experience, and the experience of another friend that had family visit from out of State during Christmas. Both visitors came down with the virus while traveling. She and her husband nursed them back to health. The visiting members also were triple vaccinated, just so they could make the trip home to see their unvaccinated parents. The parents did not get sick.

I think this virus is not what they claim it is. I think it is time that we file 13 everything they have being selling and pushing. Our governments have sold us out. We can't believe or trust anything they say or do. We need to band together and work together to salvage what we can from this chaotic mess.

i can add another family. A member of my walking club, whom I have not seen since before Christmas, texted us that her, her husband, and 3 teens, all triple vaxxed, but the mother who is double vaxxed. All sick with COVID, and all tested positive. There older son that does not live with them, reports that 14 people out of the 20 he has working in his office. All tested positive, and are out with COVID, though only a few of them feel sick and they are all fully vaccinated.

Shortly after I got the text, the TV showed a scene from a previous segment, show Biden stating that there is no excuse for anyone not to be vaccinated.

I think we have more than a few reasons to get the present vaccine and boosters. But I know what I think does not count.