Man sets himself/car on fire ,horrifying diners while screaming about Vic's Covid-19 vaxx mandate

I'm here in Victoria, mental health is underfunded and not prioritised enough. This poor soul did not self immolate because Victoria is a totalitarian regime like so many of you are so desperate to believe, and it has nothing to do with bloody covid.
It's because of the bloody health system, the way it is operated and the way it is funded. There are massive cracks in the system, that people who are unable to cope (for a myriad of reasons) fall into. This raging at Covid is exactly what THEY want. Let's all hate on masks while the back room deals and big $$ rorts continue unfettered.

a reply to: TzarChasm

I would say the message is that things are so bizarre and criminal in the society in which I live that it's time to beam me up Scotty.

Give me liberty or give me death.

a reply to: putnam6

Stupid Twat.

"Fling another shrimp on the barbeque" is my thinking on the matter.

Hard to feel sorry for muppets that choose to end there lives in such a manner.

a reply to: homerJ

remember all those times precovid all these victorians were setting themselves on fire?

yeah its the healthcare system thats the issue, never the giant authoritarian boot on the neck,

a reply to: Extremistcontent

Thing is its not the authoritarian boot that sets them alight but their own hand.

Mental or not, hell of a way to attempt to make point, and not a very nice way to go out the game by any sort of measurement.

a reply to: andy06shake
People jumping off bridges are being reported as falling off bridges.

originally posted by: putnam6

Why? What motivated them? I put the question to any number of historians of self-immolation, but the best answer came from a scholar based in Washington, D.C., Timothy Dickinson. “Fire is the most dreaded of all forms of death,” he said, so “the sight of someone setting themselves on fire is simultaneously an assertion of intolerability and, frankly, of moral superiority. You say ‘I would never have the guts to do that. It’s not that he’s trying to tell me something, but that he’s commanding me.’ This isn’t insanity. It’s a terrible act of reason.”

it "CAN BE" an assertion of intolerability and of moral superiority. such as the monks in Vietnam did so over the destructive war going on. and in fact in such cases it is almost built into some of their religion. it helps i suppose that they also believe in reincarnation. the belief that they will live again, and from my understanding the better you do in the life just ended, the better your next life will be. especially in regards to what you come back as, such as human or other creature. so by sacrificing themselves in such a way, it could be seen to help them in their next life.

it can also be done out of mental instability, as most suicides are. keep in mind some thought behind suicide is almost to "make people pay". "see what you made me do". "it is your fault this is happened". and i rather suspect in this case, it is far more this second cause and not the first. a person who really needed proper mental help (unfortunately a common issue in places with socialized medical care, not having appropriate mental healthcare). just how much, if really anything this had to actually do with the pandemic, is impossible to tell. it is possible that things that happened to them during the pandemic, such as loss of job or business caused a lot of it. as has a habit of happening under those types of circumstances no matter what the cause. or it is likely that this person has been on the edge for years, and their paranoia about things like vaccines, and the whole pandemic was just the final straw that broke the camel's back.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Well its not the jumping that kills you but the speed you are falling and impact when you hit the ground that does the damage, so there is that.

a reply to: andy06shake

setting oneself on fire has a long tradition in protest, I'm not saying I would, but its not a new phenomenon, it says I am so outraged by this that I'm willing to do the very worst to myself to bring attention to this injustice. Somewhat like a form of Seppuku

A specialized form of seppuku in feudal times was known as kanshi (諫死, "remonstration death/death of understanding"), in which a retainer would commit suicide in protest of a lord's decision. The retainer would make one deep, horizontal cut into his abdomen, then quickly bandage the wound. After this, the person would then appear before his lord, give a speech in which he announced the protest of the lord's action, then reveal his mortal wound. This is not to be confused with funshi (憤死, indignation death), which is any suicide made to protest or state dissatisfaction.

wiki

The guy in Tianamen square is not really different, and he is celebrated the world over

a reply to: Extremistcontent

I don't care where, when, or who they are Extremistcontent.

Tradition or otherwise burning to death its counterproductive to their existence.

Hence stupid and a hell of a way to prove a point.

Martyrdoms is one thing but burning to death is another.

Anyroad there is no justice to be had in this world for them once there are dead.

Simple as that really.

You wish to celebrate stupidity be my guest, i did not cry for the suffragettes that did the same, certainly wont shed any tears for that muppet.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: putnam6

I never understand why someone is angry/distraught enough to take themself out, but not take a person who caused the situation which made them angry/distraught, with them.

What's the point? One person acting alone can't hope to get anywhere near the ones who should be taken care of if that's your perspective on it. Do you really think that if your belief was that the officials in question were the ones who deserved it, they ought to go that you, by yourself, could do a damn thing about it?

They are legion. You are one.

Your only hope would be to have the rest of your citizenry acting with you to have any hope, and that requires actual mass rebellion.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
I'm sorry...I'm losing all feeling and sympathy for mainstream humanity anymore. So....

Fire? ... COOL!!

I'm not a mental health professional but I play one on ATS.
That doesn't sound like yourself.
Take a few days off for yourself.
Get a long walk in the woods.
Go hunting, split wood.
Enjoy an open fire with family and friends.
But always come back when you feel refreshed.

Well, aside from the sarcastic parting shot in my response, the 1st sentence was actually somewhat serious. People have now increasingly gone over to the 'stoopid' side of the equation over this whole covid thing. People have allowed themselves to be completely influenced by the MSM to the point of setting themselves on fire, and all manner of other idiotic stuff. I wonder what they think when they do something like this? Do they think their death will make a statement against "The Man"? That "The Man" even cares about them at all, will even notice, or give the slightest of a flying foo-fah??

I think it's pretty it's pretty obvious at this point and safe to assume, if anything, people lighting themselves on fire, jumping off bridges and out of windows is more than likely exactly the response that "The Man" was (and is) hoping to get. For my part, I will categorically deny him that response until my last breath! However, I will also not hesitate to point out the obvious...in case anyone else is considering the same or similar actions.

And further to the point, the simple fact that the MSM is so gleefully cheering on acts such as these by publicizing them is a pretty good indicator of the mentality of TPTB. So, while my response may have seemed a little deranged, it was intended to seem that way, much the same way as setting oneself on fire does.

Not barking at you personally here, but rather attempting to further explain my intentions in the subject response.

Personally, I think this person's intentions would have been far better served by publicly objecting to all the covid stupidity.

It's a new year, 2022, and it's time to put the Chi-Com scam-demic behind us, like the ruse it was from the very beginning. This has gone on far to long, and it needs to END...forever!

Nevermore, quoth the raven...Nevermore!

More evidence all anti vaxxers are just looney tunes. He would be a right winger too, guaranteed.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Or he could be aboriginal. That would scramble your eggs. You'd speak against Australian BLM movement. There's institutional racism and pretty much genocide since the beginning. Too many indigenous people dying in custody to be accidental. Being escorted into camps by military for trying to get food.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
More evidence all anti vaxxers are just looney tunes. He would be a right winger too, guaranteed.

Yes, only right wingers would be so stupid as to object to prison camps.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: putnam6

I never understand why someone is angry/distraught enough to take themself out, but not take a person who caused the situation which made them angry/distraught, with them.

What's the point? One person acting alone can't hope to get anywhere near the ones who should be taken care of if that's your perspective on it. Do you really think that if your belief was that the officials in question were the ones who deserved it, they ought to go that you, by yourself, could do a damn thing about it?

They are legion. You are one.

Your only hope would be to have the rest of your citizenry acting with you to have any hope, and that requires actual mass rebellion.

When one of the evil people are proved to be vulnerable, all of them will have second thoughts.

Just the test-run at the U.S. Capitol on Jan 6, 2021 triggered mass paranoia amongst the corrupt oppressors there.

Imagine if one of them were "citizen arrested" what effect that would have.

Remember.. Evil are Fearful.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: TzarChasm

This isn’t reason. It’s a terrible act of insanity.”

Fixed it for you.

Terrible acts of reason is what happens when you sacrifice one life to save three and it's only acceptable if that life is your own. If a man simply burns to send a message, the message is that he is unstable and a danger to himself.

Didn't need "fixing" it's here to promote discussion, and before you get all pert and snippy the article is from 2010.

You can obviously pass it off as crazy, as you casually just did, but this article suggests there is more to it. It's not just that's its crazy, but those with issues, feel so helpless or trapped that this extreme measure seems like all they can do. Mental health issues from restrictions and mandates is it really so different than say claustrophobia or other irrational fears and phobias

So you admit it's irrational, aka not reasonable. Possibly even crazy. Don't let emotions short circuit your common sense algorithms or you end up in the burn ward with nothing to show for your "peaceful protest".

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: TzarChasm

I would say the message is that things are so bizarre and criminal in the society in which I live that it's time to beam me up Scotty.

Give me liberty or give me death.

Then hypothetically (I don't want to be accuse of promoting self harm or suicide) one would be marginally more intelligent to shoot themselves as a last resort instead of burning alive. One method is psychotic and inefficient, the other isn't.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: TzarChasm

I would say the message is that things are so bizarre and criminal in the society in which I live that it's time to beam me up Scotty.

Give me liberty or give me death.

'Liberty' is fairly intangible. There are rules and laws that are necessary for a happy and pleasant life and good social cohesion. No amount of personal liberty should ever oppress everyone else and take away their liberty.

So, if 'they' don't have any special 'liberty' to grant you... all you are requesting here is your death.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
More evidence all anti vaxxers are just looney tunes. He would be a right winger too, guaranteed.

Yes, only right wingers would be so stupid as to object to prison camps.

Right whingers are the ones wanting prison camps.

Currently, the USA incarcerates more of its citizens both per capita, and in total numbers, than any other country in the world. It's already the lead example in the world of imprisonment. The increase in incarceration happened alongside the outsourcing of prisons to private companies, and under the more 'right-wing' US administrations. It is big business!

Being tough on crime (three strikes and you're out), illegalizing and criminalizing minor and low impact drugs, 'strong' leaders, a 'strong' military, 'patriotic' national interest above individual rights or lives, vilification of minorities (seeing them as 'foreign' even though they are citizens) - these are all very 'right-wing' policies.

In fact, when you mention prison camps, the image most people will have in their minds are the Nazi concentration camps. Probably the most far-right regime that has ever existed.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: putnam6

I never understand why someone is angry/distraught enough to take themself out, but not take a person who caused the situation which made them angry/distraught, with them.

I would bet the person who caused the situation is unreachable. They're probably hiding underground, in a bunker, or in their basement surrounded by security... sounds familiar.