Lying Flat - A Trend. A Movement. Lost Hope.

When I first heard this term, "lying flat", I did not know where my search would led me. There are a thousand or more articles, and videos that reflect on the issue of lying flat. Once I realized it was a response by the young to a society that they have no faith in, and a world they feel is without hope, it really hit home.

I have seen this falling away from the societal norm of hard work, with little hope of a reward, slowly taking place for years. Young people have been hearing for years, that they will never be able to accomplish as much as their parents, and that their future holds a life of owning nothing, and being happy. So what did we expect.

When you first start looking into the lying flat movement, you will think that this is something that started in China and is a China thing. I think maybe it is thought it began in China, because it was an action that most people would never associate with China. But lying flat has been going on for a number of years, in almost every country on the planet.

The internet has opened a door for people to see, and hear, what is happening globally. They have the opportunity to talk directly with the people they are communicating with, and many of the idea, thoughts, and beliefs, that we were led to believe as facts, they are finding out are deceptions and out right lies.

I remember when I was in University, meeting students from other countries that came here believing the lies they were told about the "great" America, where the streets where paved in gold. Today, the young, don't have to fly over to a country to see the truth. And what they are seeing is not very promising. They see people just like them, going through the same things they are going through, and little hope of doing any better.

During the time I was growing up, nearly everyone was poor. Almost none had attended college or university, and hard work and an education was believed to be the ladder up. So most worked hard, sacrificed a lot, and slowly crawled their way forward, hoping with every inch of their being that they would be able to provide better for their children, and that they would be able to push them further up the ladder.

So here we are. Young people have watched their parents sacrifice everything, including valuable time with their children, to obtain those material things that were supposed to mark their status in life, and move them further up the ladder. But the ladder turned out to be in a sinkhole and all the hard work in the world, suddenly was not the way up or out.

The young see that, and many have chosen not to play the game. They have chosen to work just enough to meet their needs for the day. They have decided they did not want to sacrifice for a future that does not hold much promise for them. They have decided to lay flat. I think we must have seen this coming.

From the Great Resignation to Lying Flat, Workers Are Opting Out

In China, the U.S., Japan, and Germany, younger generations are rethinking the pursuit of wealth.

China’s “lie flat” movement, jump-started by a social media post from which it got its name, is also about opting out. It’s a reaction against a system in which a grueling “996” work schedule—9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week—is common in industries like technology. So is unrelenting pressure from family, society, and even the government to keep climbing the ladder.

I honestly don't blame them. There is a better way out for us and for them. Socialism is being made to look like an easy fix, and it is being served up is in huge batches. But in the end, the future they think looks so bleak now, will turn into an actual hellish nightmare, if we don't get them turned around.

I will be long dead and gone, but I pray we can right this sinking ship, before I go.

lying flat is not gonna work for me…

i get anxiety when i sit still for too long during the day…

plus i like my job, it keeps me healthy

These kids probably just lay flat and do crypto.

F the system though for real….

USA has fallen.

The system is broken and it cannot be repaired without war and death.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The young are being told so many lies it’s no wonder they’re “laying flat”. First they were told that climate change would wipe out their future, and now it’s a virus. They’ve been ingrained with so much fear and hate for much of their lives. Not only that, but they’ve been told their country is systematically racist and evil and always has been. Then they’re told it’s all because of republicans, anti vaxers, and climate deniers. I think some of the younger people, especially the generation after millennials, are starting to see through it, but still a long way to go.

University has become a lie unless you really know what you are doing. Most degrees you get saddle you with a lifetime of debt and excellent qualifications to become a barista. Society has ingrained the idea that without a degree you're worthless when the obverse is true. For the kid with gumption and the ability to work, a trade is often a good way to go still.

Look at the wealthiest in society and how many degrees they have ... I'll wait. For most, it's none. They dropped out.

There is still opportunity, but it isn't what you're told it is. You also have to be smart enough not to listen to have the crap they teach you at public school. Knowing all 57 genders won't get you anywhere. Knowing your math facts, how to compose a coherent essay, and how to read will.

Years ago, I guess my parents time, a good 4th grade education is about all that was needed to make a decent income. Most trades were passed down from family to family. When one has the confidence to think for themselves, at that time in life, the lightbulb of " I'm going out there and do it '. Yes, it take a few more bucks these days but where there is a will, perhaps in America there still is a way.

originally posted by: ketsuko
University has become a lie unless you really know what you are doing. Most degrees you get saddle you with a lifetime of debt and excellent qualifications to become a barista.

I could not have said it better myself. College educations are nothing but resume fillers, that show nothing of intrinsic value. Some places require a degree to flip hamburgers.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Years ago, I guess my parents time, a good 4th grade education is about all that was needed to make a decent income. Most trades were passed down from family to family.

That was back when hard work paid off because you invested your time and money into family, and building a future.

We traded wealth and material objects for status, and abandoned the foundation of a strong future for our children, for the luxury of living in the moment.

The young can see the forest and the trees. The New World Order does not lend itself to a future that shines with great promise for them. They are resigning themselves to a world system that is broken. A system that is interested in how they can use them, and dispose of them. They are not stupid or lazy, they just don't see the hope they need to see.

They are not investing in themselves, but they are not investing in this societal trap, they are being led into either.

Mid 1960s Marshall McLuhan and Timothy Leary

Turn on, tune in, drop out

There was once a time when a degree and 25 cents would get one a cup of coffee .
Real life experience was what counted in all fields .
Now , companies get rid of the highly trained and experienced employees in favor of much cheaper young folks.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket .

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Another problem the kids these days have is that they aren't patient enough to see hard work pay off.

It may be for a portion of them that they do have the tools to get somewhere, but they expect it to happen in weeks or months, not long, long years.

They don't look at incremental improvement as improvement.

They want it all, and they want it now ... not four or five or more years from now, and it's not enough to show them that they are making gradual progress. They want to move into the homes and situations they moved out of without considering that many of their parents started out barely scraping by and hardly making any ends meet at all.

a reply to: Gothmog

And those cheaper young folks are incensed they aren't making entry level pay at the top of the pay scale, so they quit for something else within a few months.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gothmog

And those cheaper young folks are incensed they aren't making entry level pay at the top of the pay scale, so they quit for something else within a few months.

Or , they stay on for a while and they too are released. For cheaper again .

a reply to: Gothmog

In my experience, the leave because they want more than they're entitled to at the ground floor.

Was part of something like this when I was young in the late 80's/90's, with the punk attitude and what seemed like a wall of baby boomers making up more and more rules that made life harder than most could cope with and no hope for the future.

Back then it was a targeted attitude toward a segment of society and very anti corporate but now, with covid, great reset and all laid bare, I'm not surprised in the least that it is a generational thing as the deception permeates all levels of society and the future.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn


Ummm…I agree with absolutely none of this…

So…what your essentially stating is that these persons have absolutely no regard for personal responsibility…or any pride of accomplishment…

They are responsible for their own station in life…they’ve simply chosen to check out…not willing to put the effort into success while buying into a failure strategy…

These are personal character flaws…IMO…

Success or failure is predicated on personal decisiveness…and the desire to achieve goals…as well as challenge oneself…


Different strokes…I suppose…







YouSir

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Lying Flat - A Trend. A Movement. Lost Hope.

I don't see it in my industry. The millennials I work with, all around 30yrs. are ambitious, hard working and creative. We have kids standing in line to be apprentices or interns willing to work for nothing just to get a foot in the door.

30year old people are kids to me...

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

When I first heard this term, "lying flat", I did not know where my search would led me. There are a thousand or more articles, and videos that reflect on the issue of lying flat. Once I realized it was a response by the young to a society that they have no faith in, and a world they feel is without hope, it really hit home.

I have seen this falling away from the societal norm of hard work, with little hope of a reward, slowly taking place for years. Young people have been hearing for years, that they will never be able to accomplish as much as their parents, and that their future holds a life of owning nothing, and being happy. So what did we expect.

When you first start looking into the lying flat movement, you will think that this is something that started in China and is a China thing. I think maybe it is thought it began in China, because it was an action that most people would never associate with China. But lying flat has been going on for a number of years, in almost every country on the planet.

The internet has opened a door for people to see, and hear, what is happening globally. They have the opportunity to talk directly with the people they are communicating with, and many of the idea, thoughts, and beliefs, that we were led to believe as facts, they are finding out are deceptions and out right lies.

I remember when I was in University, meeting students from other countries that came here believing the lies they were told about the "great" America, where the streets where paved in gold. Today, the young, don't have to fly over to a country to see the truth. And what they are seeing is not very promising. They see people just like them, going through the same things they are going through, and little hope of doing any better.

During the time I was growing up, nearly everyone was poor. Almost none had attended college or university, and hard work and an education was believed to be the ladder up. So most worked hard, sacrificed a lot, and slowly crawled their way forward, hoping with every inch of their being that they would be able to provide better for their children, and that they would be able to push them further up the ladder.

So here we are. Young people have watched their parents sacrifice everything, including valuable time with their children, to obtain those material things that were supposed to mark their status in life, and move them further up the ladder. But the ladder turned out to be in a sinkhole and all the hard work in the world, suddenly was not the way up or out.

The young see that, and many have chosen not to play the game. They have chosen to work just enough to meet their needs for the day. They have decided they did not want to sacrifice for a future that does not hold much promise for them. They have decided to lay flat. I think we must have seen this coming.

From the Great Resignation to Lying Flat, Workers Are Opting Out

In China, the U.S., Japan, and Germany, younger generations are rethinking the pursuit of wealth.

China’s “lie flat” movement, jump-started by a social media post from which it got its name, is also about opting out. It’s a reaction against a system in which a grueling “996” work schedule—9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week—is common in industries like technology. So is unrelenting pressure from family, society, and even the government to keep climbing the ladder.

I honestly don't blame them. There is a better way out for us and for them. Socialism is being made to look like an easy fix, and it is being served up is in huge batches. But in the end, the future they think looks so bleak now, will turn into an actual hellish nightmare, if we don't get them turned around.

I will be long dead and gone, but I pray we can right this sinking ship, before I go.

It’s all about money. Debt.

The kids can hardly afford a home, at least to buy. The jobs with big enough income aren’t out there. Buying things eventually becomes unsatisfying and stressful, because you bought the wrong thing. You have t got the latest TV, smart speakers, watch, phone, trainers etc etc. The mad scramble to scurry up the ladder leaves most people blinded to what is actually going on.

‘Laying down’ is effectively a sign that some are becoming aware of the hollowness of life. That emptiness is terrible by design.

To be honest I don’t know why the elite pursue this model. They’re only end goal for satisfaction becomes abnormal, perverted - not just sexually. And being THAT wealthy is hollow in itself. All joy of achievement is taken away. I guess everyone is trying to fill that void - the universe hey?

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

When I first heard this term, "lying flat", I did not know where my search would led me. There are a thousand or more articles, and videos that reflect on the issue of lying flat. Once I realized it was a response by the young to a society that they have no faith in, and a world they feel is without hope, it really hit home.

I have seen this falling away from the societal norm of hard work, with little hope of a reward, slowly taking place for years. Young people have been hearing for years, that they will never be able to accomplish as much as their parents, and that their future holds a life of owning nothing, and being happy. So what did we expect.

When you first start looking into the lying flat movement, you will think that this is something that started in China and is a China thing. I think maybe it is thought it began in China, because it was an action that most people would never associate with China. But lying flat has been going on for a number of years, in almost every country on the planet.

The internet has opened a door for people to see, and hear, what is happening globally. They have the opportunity to talk directly with the people they are communicating with, and many of the idea, thoughts, and beliefs, that we were led to believe as facts, they are finding out are deceptions and out right lies.

I remember when I was in University, meeting students from other countries that came here believing the lies they were told about the "great" America, where the streets where paved in gold. Today, the young, don't have to fly over to a country to see the truth. And what they are seeing is not very promising. They see people just like them, going through the same things they are going through, and little hope of doing any better.

During the time I was growing up, nearly everyone was poor. Almost none had attended college or university, and hard work and an education was believed to be the ladder up. So most worked hard, sacrificed a lot, and slowly crawled their way forward, hoping with every inch of their being that they would be able to provide better for their children, and that they would be able to push them further up the ladder.

So here we are. Young people have watched their parents sacrifice everything, including valuable time with their children, to obtain those material things that were supposed to mark their status in life, and move them further up the ladder. But the ladder turned out to be in a sinkhole and all the hard work in the world, suddenly was not the way up or out.

The young see that, and many have chosen not to play the game. They have chosen to work just enough to meet their needs for the day. They have decided they did not want to sacrifice for a future that does not hold much promise for them. They have decided to lay flat. I think we must have seen this coming.

From the Great Resignation to Lying Flat, Workers Are Opting Out

In China, the U.S., Japan, and Germany, younger generations are rethinking the pursuit of wealth.

China’s “lie flat” movement, jump-started by a social media post from which it got its name, is also about opting out. It’s a reaction against a system in which a grueling “996” work schedule—9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week—is common in industries like technology. So is unrelenting pressure from family, society, and even the government to keep climbing the ladder.

I honestly don't blame them. There is a better way out for us and for them. Socialism is being made to look like an easy fix, and it is being served up is in huge batches. But in the end, the future they think looks so bleak now, will turn into an actual hellish nightmare, if we don't get them turned around.

I will be long dead and gone, but I pray we can right this sinking ship, before I go.

It’s all about money. Debt.

The kids can hardly afford a home, at least to buy. The jobs with big enough income aren’t out there. Buying things eventually becomes unsatisfying and stressful, because you bought the wrong thing. You have t got the latest TV, smart speakers, watch, phone, trainers etc etc. The mad scramble to scurry up the ladder leaves most people blinded to what is actually going on.

‘Laying down’ is effectively a sign that some are becoming aware of the hollowness of life. That emptiness is terrible by design.

To be honest I don’t know why the elite pursue this model. They’re only end goal for satisfaction becomes abnormal, perverted - not just sexually. And being THAT wealthy is hollow in itself. All joy of achievement is taken away. I guess everyone is trying to fill that void - the universe hey?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The young can see the forest and the trees. The New World Order does not lend itself to a future that shines with great promise for them. They are resigning themselves to a world system that is broken. A system that is interested in how they can use them, and dispose of them. They are not stupid or lazy, they just don't see the hope they need to see.

That's how I see it. I'm not sure it's much different for older people either. Those of us who have been around long enough see how events kept happening that set people back. It was like starting over again after 9/11 and then we had the financial crisis in 2007/2008. How many people today who have been in the working world for over 30 years are still struggling to make the same kind of money they were 15 - 20 years ago? Add to it the increase cost of living, inflation, health insurance, income taxes, property taxes, etc. and you start to wonder if it's all worth it.

Now you have people witnessing that there is NO SUCH THING as employer/employee loyalty and you're only worth your vaccine status regardless of your ability and previous accomplishments for that employer. What is that saying to young people today? I'm sure a lot of them feel duped, especially after being encouraged to max out loans for college.

Nope, I said goodbye to the corporate world for good this year myself and those older than me got smart and decided to take earlier than planned retirement.