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Einstein's theory of general relativity passes one of its toughest tests yet

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posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 07:28 PM
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I think it's interesting that Einstein's work keeps standing when tested because of the block universe. Here's the article:

General relativity remains undefeated.


General relativity has withstood perhaps its toughest challenge to date.

The theory, which Albert Einstein published in 1916, revolutionized our understanding of physics and the cosmos. It explains gravity as a consequence of space-time's flexibility: Massive objects warp space-time, creating depressions around which other bodies orbit.

Scientists have put general relativity to the test repeatedly over the past 105 years, trying to find situations or circumstances in which it comes up short. They have not yet found one.

In a new study, researchers report the results of one of the most ambitious and involved challenges to general relativity ever undertaken. They analyzed observations of a double-pulsar system made by seven different radio telescopes around the world from 2003 to 2019.

All seven of the tested predictions were borne out, the study found. So general relativity remains undefeated — but that doesn't mean that researchers should stop trying to find cracks in it.

"General relativity is not compatible with the other fundamental forces, described by quantum mechanics. It is therefore important to continue to place the most stringent tests upon general relativity as possible, to discover how and when the theory breaks down," co-author Robert Ferdman, a physicist at the University of East Anglia in England, said in the same statement.


www.livescience.com...

Very intersting and if Relativity keeps passing these tests then Einstein was most likely right about the block universe. What's the block universe?

The block universe theory which is supported by special relativity, claims time isn’t the thing that we experience. According to theory, our universe is a block that contains everything in anywhere and anytime. In this context, past, present, and future are all real at the same time. There are no differences between them. Time behaves just like space in this theory, every moment has its own coordinate at the space-time continuum — the end and the beginning happen at the same time.

medium.com...

Here's a video about the block universe:



This is why Einstein said the distinction between the past, present and future is a persistent illusion. Think about how profound of a statement that is. In his book, Relativity he said:

Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence.

WHEW!

That's the block universe in a nutshell.

How can this be though? How can the past, present and future all exists in the same 4D spacetime? We feel and remember yesterday and anticipate tomorrow but is this all in our minds?

I think you might have to look at quantum mechanics as a theory of 4D spacetime and relativity as a theory that governs events that happen in 4D spacetime. To understand this, first you have to think differently about time.

Most people see space as something that's out there. The moon and the stars are in space but time is more personal and local. Everything we do is based on and built around time. When we're born, when we die, New Years, going to work, eating lunch or going on vacation, it's all based on time and time is personal to us while space is out there even though we move through space. We just don't look at longitudes and latitudes like we do AM and PM.

So to understand the block universe, you have to think that all of time is out there with all of space. So the personal time you experience is just subjective to your worldine.

Your worldine is where events happen from moment to moment and observers in these worldlines will experience events moment to moment so they experience past, present and future but is this just your mind? You remember the past and anticipate the future and this is why time is personal but your personal experience of time and objective spacetime are different things.

So just like space can be bent and warped by gravity so can time. So instead of many universes, I say there's many timelines. There can be many time directions.

So our universe could be in a sideways time direction while a universe right next to ours is in a diagonal time direction. Observerse in both universes would think they're moving in a forward direction because of entropy. We could only tell what time direction we're in relative to another time direction.

So it's one space but many time directions where you can have different events occurring.

There could be 1,000 earths in the same space but there all moving in a different time direction so they barely interact with each other.

A 4D spacetime being would exists in all of space and in every timeline.

Imagine a future generation that's more advanced that can manipulate gravity waves or dark energy and they have a highway of timelines and they can visit other timelines. So some U.F.O.'s could be people or even different versions of us from other timelines.

What if Adam and Eve had access to other earths and other dimensions but because of sin, they became stuck in one time direction.



posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 08:07 PM
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This is really interesting. I've always had - an intuition/feeling, I guess - that time is not linear. Seems to me like it'd be like what a 2-dimensional being would experience when a 3-dimensional being interacted with his exact 2-d coordinates. If I (a 3-d being) poked a hole in the 2-d being's plane of existence, the hole would just seem to appear out of nowhere to the 2-d being and all his buddies. It would be nearly impossible for 2-d man to even comprehend our 3-d existence.

Similar with Time (4-d). It's damn hard to think about time being non-linear. I try but get a headache after a while. I try to think of our 3-d space in motion and where our exact coordinates intersect the 4-d of time, that's what we experience as now. Ugh, now I've got a headache again...

On a side note: When I first read this thread title, I read "Epstein," in place of "Einstein." Damn media brainwashing.



posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 09:42 PM
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2 thousands years ago:
the supine position...

explained the time as a one simultaneous past-present-future



posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 10:09 PM
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You can travel to the future but it's not time travel. You cannont travel to the past nor can you change the past.

Time dialation is a well known concept. If you can travel the speed of light, your time is the same but the timeline around you gets slower. If you choose to go down this rabbit hole you will always ask yourself, what point of reference is speed determined?

I've often reminded myself that our universe is spinning around a massive black hole and we are also spinning around our sun. There's always movement. Movement is time dialation.



posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: litterbaux

The concept that really boggles my mind is the time percieved from the user of conciousness. If you are trapped in a speed of time, does that speed of time change when you leave your basis point?

For example, if I were a being in a binary star system where my time is dialated due to the speeds applied to my body, would that time dialation continue when not exposed to those speeds? If so, it would make sense that craft from outside our realm of existence make menuvuers that are mind blowing... but to them, they are just taking a right turn.

Makes ya wonder



posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: litterbaux

You can't change the past *right now

I have a hunch, that you'll find the rules of the flow of time aren't exactly set by existence itself.



posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: Archivalist

I agree, I've witnessed the mandela effect myself.

I think we all live in our own timeline.

Remember when your grandpa or whomever said "you can be whatever you want to be"..... that was truth.



posted on Dec, 21 2021 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

really makes you wonder about things think daja vu

if this were true that the past present and future existed all at the same time than there is no such thing as free will.

if the future exists right now than nothing i do matter as it will play out as it infinity has and always will.


i don't believe that, every choice we make can set us on a new path, or maybe that's the trick..

scary to think we might be like a cosmic VHS



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: neoholographic

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What if Adam and Eve had access to other earths and other dimensions but because of sin, they became stuck in one time direction.


And ... BOOM!

For me, this has massive and exciting theological implications.

Since your brought Adam and Eve into the discussion, I'm gonna go there ...

I have long believed that the universe pre-fall existed in an achronological state. What that means, how it played out, what it looked and felt like, how the inhabitants experienced life in that context is beyond out grasp, but I think maybe you described is about as best as our chronologically trapped minds can conceive it.

I believe that entropy as we experience it was not a characteristic of the pre-fall universe, so creation at that time existed in s state with no forward arrow of time. I made this in large on Romans 8:20 ...



For the creation was subjected to futility*, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.


(*Check out the Greek word translated as futility in the ESV.)

Sin bright decay, chaos, futility into the creation.

From the Creator's perspective, however, the entire history is one "block." The Creator knows the end from the beginning because He knows where chapter and line of the story, and being omniscient and omnipresent, know every possible extrapolation. It is all in the "mind" of the Creator.

I leave it there. I could go on but it's late and nobody wants to read my rantings. But I do find these ideas exciting and even encouraging.

Thank you for an excellent opening post.



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: neoholographic

really makes you wonder about things think daja vu

if this were true that the past present and future existed all at the same time than there is no such thing as free will.

if the future exists right now than nothing i do matter as it will play out as it infinity has and always will.


i don't believe that, every choice we make can set us on a new path, or maybe that's the trick..

scary to think we might be like a cosmic VHS


I think that there can be a mysterious interplay between a seemingly deterministic block universe and our having a degree of free will and moral responsibility. Perhaps this is where the concept of differing timelines cones in ...



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 02:00 AM
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Why not just assume time is man made object and it actually does not exist at all. We want to justify and count our lives instead of living them.

For the same reason i think if we are to travel really far and then come back the same time we traveled and experienced will be the same time that has passed no matter how fast ot further we have traveled.

Because past present and future are the same aka now. There is no past because thats a concept of something that already happened , there is no future because we make the future in the moment and there are infinity variables that can change it. This there is only present thus there is absolutely no such thing as time.

Thus time travel is not possible in any way whatsover.

Now, alternate dimensions... who knows.



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 02:03 AM
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I do like that one. That we are in fact eternal beings. The entire universe is one eternal cycle. Everything we do we have done it before because once the universe ends it starts exactly the same because the ending and the beggining is the same.

And this is why there are some people who can see the future.... well, the past xD

What if Psychics are just remembering what happened last loop.

P.S. To put it in a perspective if you are given a choice and you make it yourself, if everything was exactly the same you will make the exact same choice and thus there is absolutely no free will no matter what you chose because in the same exact scenarion with the same exact mindset and knowledge you will always , always do the same.
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posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 02:16 AM
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originally posted by: ZeroFurrbone
a reply to: penroc3

I do like that one. That we are in fact eternal beings. The entire universe is one eternal cycle. Everything we do we have done it before because once the universe ends it starts exactly the same because the ending and the beggining is the same.

And this is why there are some people who can see the future.... well, the past xD

What if Psychics are just remembering what happened last loop.

P.S. To put it in a perspective if you are given a choice and you make it yourself, if everything was exactly the same you will make the exact same choice and thus there is absolutely no free will no matter what you chose because in the same exact scenarion with the same exact mindset and knowledge you will always , always do the same.


Here is something to think about: When we die and the universe ends this loop and starts anew and everything happens the same exact way, we are born again the same exact people. We don't remmember anything because the information from our previous life is already erased. Its like a pc reset. Its the same exact pc, it does the same exact things but it has been reset and missing all the memmory.

Havent you had this weird irk when you had your first memmory after or while being born?

And after all of this: I do think this is way more possible explanation than this imaginary "time"



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 03:59 AM
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What if Adam and Eve had access to other earths and other dimensions but because of sin, they became stuck in one time direction.


Adam and Eve were in a state of ignorance and without knowledge of themselves in the garden of Eden, Like an AI that isn't aware of it's self, the moment they gained knowledge of themselves they were ejected because immortality and the ability to attain knowledge threatened our creator, so he gave us the material world, death and forgetfulness to prevent us from growing spiritually as we are spiritual beings and in our true state we are all of creation.
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posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 04:02 AM
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Regarding the Block Universe theory, here we have a derivation from Special and General Relativity.
It means that Relaivity is a part of the following theory, that also may explain non barionic dark matter.
arxiv.org...
More informations and a possible experiment here:
www.chronos.msu.ru...
The Block Universe is cited here:
www.chronos.msu.ru...

In few words the theory says that there are four dimension, and they are all space dimensions. This is a 4D memory.
There is a speed, the speed of light. Our spacetime is a 3D brane that flows through the 4D memory. In the brane, quantum mechanical processes edit the 4D memory. There are infinite truly parallel spacetimes that simultaneously edit the 4D memory.

Relativity and Quantum Mechanics meet at this level. Let's say that Relativity is the description of a Memory and Quantum Mechanics is the description of a form of computation.

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posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 04:21 AM
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posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: neoholographic


Ummm…it’s the perception of consciousness…that requires a linear transition to experience existence…

Having stated that…one wonders what use entropy…

If creation…existence…and decay in organism or particle are not concomitant…but concurrent…then no state change actually ever takes place…

Therefore…nothing ever actually…is…

Therefore…chaos and state…are instead static…and the perceived movement from one state to the next is instead an illusion of consciousness…attempting to define/justify existing…where no existence occurs or is evident…


Nothing…actually…is…



YouSir



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 07:41 AM
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originally posted by: ZeroFurrbone

originally posted by: ZeroFurrbone
a reply to: penroc3

I do like that one. That we are in fact eternal beings. The entire universe is one eternal cycle. Everything we do we have done it before because once the universe ends it starts exactly the same because the ending and the beggining is the same.

And this is why there are some people who can see the future.... well, the past xD

What if Psychics are just remembering what happened last loop.

P.S. To put it in a perspective if you are given a choice and you make it yourself, if everything was exactly the same you will make the exact same choice and thus there is absolutely no free will no matter what you chose because in the same exact scenarion with the same exact mindset and knowledge you will always , always do the same.


Here is something to think about: When we die and the universe ends this loop and starts anew and everything happens the same exact way, we are born again the same exact people. We don't remmember anything because the information from our previous life is already erased. Its like a pc reset. Its the same exact pc, it does the same exact things but it has been reset and missing all the memmory.

Havent you had this weird irk when you had your first memmory after or while being born?

And after all of this: I do think this is way more possible explanation than this imaginary "time"


This is pretty much what I have come to believe. It’s a loop, a circle, even a ‘heartbeat’. The universe ends, effectively, when we die - just like a general anaesthetic. We are immediately born again, just exactly the same, our shreds of memory fading.

I recall my three earliest memories, which made no sense at the time. Big boobs, don’t smoke and a weird set of shelves with body parts in jars. All have subsequently been revealed. The jars thing is odd because it was exactly the scene in a single episode of The Witcher. The other two have actually been important. These are not things a 3 or 4 year old should be remembering because at the time they had nowhere to come from.

Hopefully, next time, I can hang on to the memory of Apple Shares and Bitcoin.

My only issue with this as a concept is that I have written this endlessly, nothing is free will, there was never a first time, it is always the same.

On an emotional level I can accept that for myself, but for all those children who die so young, never make it to birth and people who die early, can it really be like that for them every time? That seems unbelievably harsh and very sad.



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 08:30 AM
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Ummm…a loop…would still be a linear progression…

If everything that happened…is happening…and will ever happen…already exists concurrently within the framework of the universe…

If all of that exists together…concurrently…and there is no real concept as time…or a linear travel from point to point…then that means that nothing ever does change…it’s only our conscious perception that perceives a point place and calls it moment…and falsely convinces itself that progression…is…

Ultimately…there is only a fixed array of occurrence…and endless series of snapshots that pose as entropy…and only have perceptual momentum and movement as consciousness moves along the series…

Like a movie on a screen…a long series of photographs when moved at a given speed before the minds eye…simulates time and actual movement…except…in the true sense of the word…consciousness is moved along the series…and what has existed and called the past…is being experienced and called the present…and will exist and called the future…
Are static slices of perception that awareness glides by…perceiving it as time…and progression…

When the only thing that appears to move…is the illusion of existence as a corporeal being…extant and alive…





YouSir



posted on Dec, 22 2021 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: Dineutron
Regarding the Block Universe theory, here we have a derivation from Special and General Relativity.
It means that Relaivity is a part of the following theory, that also may explain non barionic dark matter.
arxiv.org...
More informations and a possible experiment here:
www.chronos.msu.ru...


Excerpts from "On the nature of time":

What is time and why it is so similar to the description of space dimensions in modern relativity theories and at the same time it looks so different to us?
The fact that modern relativity theories work so well implies that the mathematical formulation of the time dimension has to be considered correct, therefore what is wrong, at least potentially?

.... An infinite number of parallel worlds must exist to make Euclidean Relativity consistent with itself, and the orthogonality of matter and light determines the one-way flow of information that is the origin of causality. The concept can be easily visualized with a technical analogy. The Euclidean Relativity memory space is a memory device like a videotape. In the videotape the three space dimensions are encoded in the complicate magnetic structure of the helical scan, which we may simply schematize as the tape width, the spatialized time is the tape length, the videotape is pure bi-dimensional space storing information. If you have a videocassette of a movie you have the entire story. It is strange but you can’t look at it as a whole, you need a videotape player and explore in a sequence. The rotating head in the player is the mechanism that makes the story visible, it is the equivalent of a Quantum Mechanical process in our reality, it represents the materialization of our space-time, and this process creates what we perceive as the flow of time. The Euclidean Space materializes at a rate that is determined by “tape speed”, which according to Euclidean Relativity is the speed of light. Now suppose that the videotape player is an editing machine, with sentient entities that “can” change the story according to some purposes. Well, we are those entities, and the analogy is nearly complete. Finally suppose that along the tape there are many, infinite, editing machines. Those are parallel realities, those that we have not yet discovered experimentally, but that are required by the plain theory.

... The present view should be compared with the conclusion of Sakharov Nobel lecture:
“I support the cosmological hypothesis which states that the development of the universe is repeated in its basic features an infinite number of times. In accordance with this, other civilizations, including more "successful" ones, should exist an infinite number of times on the "preceding" and the "following" pages of the Book of the Universe. Yet this should not minimize our sacred endeavors in this world of ours, where, like faint glimmers of light in the dark, we have emerged for a moment from the nothingness of dark unconsciousness of material existence. We must make good the demands of reason and create a life worthy of ourselves and of the goals we only dimly perceive.”



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