China dabbling in artificial intelligence? Yikes!

originally posted by: chr0naut

So, wouldn't the OP be a racist/nationalist tirade?

China and the USA both have originated some good, and some bad software.

And for both countries, we are definitely a fair way down the AI track.

All the hoops jumped and badly-performed but ambitious twists you have to make must be taxing. However you're an energetic & ubiquitous specimen I'll give you that.

Having said that, who would you rather have the upper hand in AI? I know the ruling class of both aren't much different on a scale of one to Xi but there is a difference.

Just placing this article here for our USA cousins as it is pretty interesting and discusses the Chinese AI developments in the military sphere www.bbc.co.uk...

"China is now fully committed to developing "intelligentised" warfare, or future military methods based on disruptive technologies - especially artificial intelligence, according to the US Department of Defense.
China's Academy of Military Science has been given a mandate to make sure that this happens, through "civil-military fusion", in other words joining up Chinese private sector technology companies with the country's defence industries.
Reports suggest that China may already be using artificial intelligence in military robotics and missile guidance systems, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles and unmanned naval vessels.
China has already conducted large-scale cyber-operations abroad, according to a recent expert assessment.
In July the UK, US and EU accused China of carrying out a major cyber-attack targeting Microsoft Exchange servers.
It is believed that the attack affected at least 30,000 organisations globally and aimed to enable large-scale espionage, including the acquisition of personal information and intellectual property."

originally posted by: Rich Z
re: www.theguardian.com...

Is anyone else feeling real nervous about the country that accidentally caused a global pandemic pathogen to escape from one of their labs and engulf the globe is dabbling around with artificial intelligence?

Not particularly. They're hampered by it needing to conform to an ideology -- and are still hampered by the brain drain where they locked up scientists and made academics go be farmers instead of teaching and doing research. The ones to watch are the countries that eagerly embrace technology and science... so Japan, India, the European Union.

AI could prove to be the ultimate computer virus...

"Dinna fash yersel", as the Scots say. An AI set to run on a Cray absolutely won't run on my Windows laptop (different operating systems) - distributed network AI can be foiled simply by shutting off Internet access. And all computers can be shut down by taking out their power. Any network/machine can be hacked by attacks that overwhelm its resources, etc, etc.

They're machines. Not Marvel Universe demigods.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: chr0naut

So, wouldn't the OP be a racist/nationalist tirade?

So if something truthful and concerning in context has resulted from actions within a specific nation (and therefore nationality), then it should be just shunned and ignored rather than raise the specter of the "racist" tar baby allegory?

In your universe, someone voicing the observation that there sure seems to be a lot of pathogens and agricultural pests that originate from SE Asia, is "racist" and said topic should therefore be banished as a subject for discussion?

Interesting the topics and means by which that some people wish they could suppress from public view, is it not?

It almost makes me believe the stories I have read about the Chinese employing legions of internet soldiers just for this sort of purpose.

Anyway, all IMHO, as per usual.

I never made any suggestion that the specifics of the OP were untruthful.

I was pointing out that they were one-sided.

Sigh, yeah, TRUTH can be like that sometimes. Pity, isn't it?

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Rich Z
re: www.theguardian.com...

Is anyone else feeling real nervous about the country that accidentally caused a global pandemic pathogen to escape from one of their labs and engulf the globe is dabbling around with artificial intelligence?

Not particularly. They're hampered by it needing to conform to an ideology -- and are still hampered by the brain drain where they locked up scientists and made academics go be farmers instead of teaching and doing research. The ones to watch are the countries that eagerly embrace technology and science... so Japan, India, the European Union.

AI could prove to be the ultimate computer virus...

"Dinna fash yersel", as the Scots say. An AI set to run on a Cray absolutely won't run on my Windows laptop (different operating systems) - distributed network AI can be foiled simply by shutting off Internet access. And all computers can be shut down by taking out their power. Any network/machine can be hacked by attacks that overwhelm its resources, etc, etc.

They're machines. Not Marvel Universe demigods.

Yeah, and at one time people thought that it was impossible to sail around the world because anyone who would try would fall off of the edge instead. China is only going to make their technological advances public that they WANT to make public. Many wars have been lost simply because the loser was "surprised".

Considering the past two years, was the world prepared for a human contagious virus to escape from a lab in China? Now look at the result of just that incident.

As for AI, we are incapable of comprehending what such a thing could have the potential for. If our human brains could out think AI, then what do we need AI for?

IMHO.

a reply to: Rich Z

Chinese programmers are incredibly skilled. The crap you see in products is the result of that skill being used to shoe horn spyware into their stuff to feed data into Chinese state owned servers.

I would give them a greater chance of developing a strong AI than the rest of the world. I know we regularly send our best/brightest to work with them, as they have deeper pockets and far, far fewer regulations to deal with.

Guess whose buying it, when Iphonesnot made in China should cost thousands of dollars!?!