Revisting John Titor in 2021

Greetings ATS,

I always the found the story of John Titor quite interesting and years ago I even read the transcripts from his original posts in entirety. I don't recall every detail as it's been many years since but I do remember the general premise of what he said. There were many posts on ATS around this topic as well.

John Titor - Wikipedia

In his online postings, Titor claimed to be an American soldier from 2036, based in Tampa, Florida. He was assigned to a governmental time-travel project, and sent back to 1975 to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer, which he said was needed to debug various legacy computer programs in 2036 – a possible reference to the UNIX year 2038 problem.[3] The IBM 5100 runs the APL and BASIC programming languages.

Titor said he had been selected for this mission specifically, given that his paternal grandfather was directly involved with the assembly and programming of the 5100. In support of this, he described unpublicized features of the 5100, leading to assumptions that a computer scientist was behind the postings.[3] Titor claimed to be on a stopover in the year 2000 for "personal reasons",[3] to collect pictures lost in the (future) civil war and to visit his family, of whom he spoke often.

Titor also said he had been, for a few months, trying to alert anyone that would listen about the threat of Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease spread through beef products and about the possibility of civil war within the United States. When questioned about them by an online subscriber, Titor also expressed an interest in mysteries such as UFOs, which he claimed remained unexplained in his time. Titor suggested that UFOs and extraterrestrials might be travelers from much further into the future than his own time, with superior time machines.

Now, even a couple years ago, most of what he said made no logical sense in the current climate. But things have changed vastly in the last two years and some of the things he said would happen, seem to be an actual cause for concern. The years he provided are obviously off but he even mentioned that it may be the case that the timelines are slightly off from what his timeline is. Let's look at what he said would happen and fix the years.

The most immediate of Titor's predictions were of an upcoming civil war in the United States having to do with "order and rights". He described it as beginning in 2005,[8] with civil unrest surrounding the presidential election of that year. This civil conflict that he characterized as "having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse"[8] would be "pretty much at everyone's doorstep" and erupt by 2008

I know it's easy to change facts to make things work. Let's do it anyway for fun. Add 15 years to this prediction. 2005 plus 15 years puts us at the beginning of 2020. What did we see in the beginning of 2020. Civil unrest surrounding the presidention election. That was the start of the civil war and he mentions it has to do with "order and rights". This seems very true to this day, the vaccine mandates are being pushed back on, not only in the United States but globally. Will we look back to 2020 as the start of the civil war? He says real conflict will start in 2008 plus 15 years so we're talking 2023. We are almost to 2022 and we haven't seen anything resembling a civil war yet, maybe this happens in 2022/2023.

This civil war, according to Titor, would end in 2015 with a brief but intense World War III.

Brief but intense WWIII in 2015 plus 15 years, 2030. We've seen 2030 being mentioned quite often regarding the great reset. WWIII would certainly be considered a great reset.

As a result of the war, the United States would split into five regions based on various factors and differing military objectives. This civil war, according to Titor, would end in 2015 with a brief but intense World War III.

Titor refers to the exchange as "N Day". Washington, D.C. and Jacksonville, Florida are specifically mentioned as being hit. After the war, Omaha, Nebraska would be the new U.S. capital. Titor was vague as to the exact motivations and causes for World War III. At one point, he characterized the hostilities as being led by "border clashes and overpopulation".

The current divide between the coastal states and the midwest has always been there. This isn't anything new but it sure seems like the coastal states, especially the big cities are really going downhill fast. If there was a civil war, I could see it being big city vs flyover country. It would make sense that after the dust settled there would be different factions in control. If I were to wager a guess it would be PNW, So. Cal, Midwest, NE region and SE region.

Adding 15 years to his predictions seems to line up with our current timeline. Maybe we need to revisit this to see if we can determine any other details that we may have missed the first time around.

What say you ATS?

a reply to: litterbaux

You may be onto something.

Titor's civil war was also described as countryside vs city, and that his side, countryside, cheered when major US cities were nuked by Russia, their ally, and in his time, the greatest US trade partner post civil war.

Seems that the divide is between Americans and Globalists/NWO-controlled large cities in US.

And Russia is presently very anti-NWO...

a reply to: M5xaz

It's also interesting he references "threat of Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease spread through beef products". Again, he's wrong on the actual disease, like the dates, but it's interesting he takes note to mention a disease was running through the population at the same time as the other events.

a reply to: litterbaux

unless he's changing the past which means we are now in a paradox.


omg even worse still I have a cat related name and I just replied to the litter box I think I'm losing it....

a reply to: litterbaux

Don't know nothin myself : but the Elitists™ have claimed that we will all be eating much less beef in the future.

Posted an idea of mine, a couple of times : that there might some kind of totally accidental, and not-on-purpose-at-all, virus that sweeps through our bovine friends.

Sorry : just grasping for straws, in a vain attempt to appear relevant... LoL !!

Great thread!Titor is fascinating.
Yes the socialist leftists and the equally complicit media have divided this country in half.
He was right about civil war.

Good thread. Regarding the 2022 noted.
The movie Soylent Green was set in the year 2022. The big reveal?

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I don't recall him saying anything about Trump?

a reply to: litterbaux

Problem is I saw a debunking viedo awhile back stating the guy pretending to be John Titor was actually doing a larp or real life rpg.

He pretends to be someone from the future. He threw just enough plausable theories in to make people start to think what he was saying was real. For example a time shift may cause things to be skewed from his time line.

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originally posted by: gspat
I don't recall him saying anything about Trump?

you know what, my bad. There's an ATS thread I read years ago and also some YouTube videos about John titor that claimed titor predicted a 12 year Trump presidency but after going through the John Titor archives right now it's apparent that it wasn't in there. (The ATS thread still exists but it's clearly wrong) I thought I remembered reading it in the archive but I actually read it here and also saw a YouTube video saying the same thing. My bad, I changed my post

a reply to: litterbaux

. This civil conflict that he characterized as "having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse"

There has yet to be a Waco type event. Not even the fiery but peaceful protests were Waco level.

We have to look at this from a scientific stand point. The only way time travel into the past could be possible, is if the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct. Otherwise we would run into many time travel paradoxes like the grandfather paradox. According to the many-worlds interpretation, Titor created a new time line simply by visiting us. He didn't change the past, he caused the time line to split at the point where he arrived in the past.

Even Titor said our time line would probably end up very different from his, he even said our time line already had small differences compared to his time line. I'm not convinced Titor was telling the truth, but one thing that makes me think he was telling the truth is his knowledge of spinning black holes long before we had a solid grasp of black hole physics. Also, his time travel machine schematics and other time travel knowledge was fairly impressive.

I was thinking about this the other night while trying to get to sleep... he mentioned no Olympic Games which is kind of happening with countries around the world not sending dignitaries to the China Olympics.

I also wondered about whether maybe he swapped 2021 to 2012 for some reason.

I personally think Titor is just a story, but it is fun to consider "what if". I will acknowledge that something has changed since 2012 though as the world just seems to have gone crazy IMHO.

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: litterbaux

You may be onto something.

Titor's civil war was also described as countryside vs city, and that his side, countryside, cheered when major US cities were nuked by Russia, their ally, and in his time, the greatest US trade partner post civil war.

Seems that the divide is between Americans and Globalists/NWO-controlled large cities in US.

And Russia is presently very anti-NWO...

I have also noticed that the new Russia is anti bad people if you can ignore how people feel about Putin. I am not sure where he lies but actions say he is a Russian and not a Commie to me. The Chechnian situation most people may not recall was Islamic Terrorist attacking the schools and killing children. Very few, I would love to say no one, defends the taking of children's lives by terrorist who also teach rape the victim. I have no sympathy for someone using children as pawns. The fact of the matter there is a concerted effort world wide to say all white people are evil and last I checked Russia was reportedly very much white skinned people. Russia and other all white countries are probably dumb if they don't consider that a direct threat to the civilian population of each nation. That and Chinese being a threat to world peace would have me up and pacing the floors all night if I was in a bordering nation.

The movie Soylent Green was set in the year 2022. The big reveal?

And they are advertising some kind of green sport drink. I does freak me out a bunch.

originally posted by: infiniteMeow
a reply to: litterbaux

unless he's changing the past which means we are now in a paradox.


omg even worse still I have a cat related name and I just replied to the litter box I think I'm losing it....

Assuming Titor was for real, and I don't know at all I am on the fence to this day, but he was here to change the future. As far as someone coming to warn us he did his job

I don't believe we can change the past in a timeline. That is what logic dictates. But you can sure influence the future.

For those who go "hell no, that is wrong" I offer:
Maybe by default you can alter the future from the past like Terminator movies implied. But I think that becomes a new time line parallel to this one.

Not all predictions alter the future if we use Nostradamus as an example. He got a lot right for centuries. Some predictions that end up spot on make we want to go back and check.

If there are no Waco events that would be a success. If this guy wanted fame he would not go away and never come back. If he comes back now only a handful of people will give a crap and people pointing out what a fool some were for buying it. Yet, that information changed the future even if he lied like a dog.