Severe tornado outbreak going on right now.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

The Deep South is where you normally see late Fall tornadoes.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: PureBlood
I'm not from America so I had to google this "When is Tornado Season in the US"

Wow... it's like a weather weapon has been deployed to push the Global Warming agenda.

This deadly December outbreak will be used to promote several agendas, and to cover-up many realities. It's all being planned this weekend.

He's striking while the events are fresh in America's consciousness...

Biden uses tornado tragedy to push climate agenda, suggests storms are ‘consequence of the warming’

Source: www.foxnews.com...

As Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, EVERY TRAGEDY is viewed by her party as an opportunity.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

I doubt the US is the only place they get 'em.

But it wouldn't surprise me is the US gets the most. But I honestly don't know...brb.

Tornado numbers...

Apparently, the US leads by an incredible margin over the rest of the world. Well over a thousand reported tornados, while the rest of the world is less than 100 reported...

wow.

Now that would lead us to conclude something abnormal about America then eh? It ticks off a "there is some Weather War going on" thoughts. One thing I know as a person who has to keep up with weather where I have equipment running is that with the Gulf and the Atlantic Air Masses over the waters, Warm Moist air meets Cold Artic air masses or strong Cold Fronts and the mixing causes Tornado's and huge storms. It also makes for a lush near Rain Forest like conditions in the normally affected areas. Not to mention the large amount of flying biting and/or stinging bugs.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

I doubt the US is the only place they get 'em.

But it wouldn't surprise me is the US gets the most. But I honestly don't know...brb.

Tornado numbers...

Apparently, the US leads by an incredible margin over the rest of the world. Well over a thousand reported tornados, while the rest of the world is less than 100 reported...

wow.

That particular area is called 'Tornado Alley' for a reason.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: ketsuko

Sounds like you have a pretty good local weatherman.
Can't say the same around here.
I know the WGN Chicago guy is pretty good, too.

I work with meteorologist who help forecast tomorrows pollution and they have told me a few things. The easy forecasts are the Coastal areas, Hawaii and Alaska because things are steady patterns daily. But middle USA is really tough to accurately predict past so many hours. They can predict if a front moves or sits still more than they can pinpoint the moisture packages impacts. They might think just a small amount of rain with a front but then a huge amount might pop up and super flood a small area. A lot of the time Drought like weather is about all they can get right because conditions change but without enough moisture in the atmosphere it simply can't rain. They can measure atmospheric moisture.

I give it about another 100 years if we don't wipe ourselves off the Earth before we can fine tune forecasting if HAARP isn't capable of altering weather by then. Well.....

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: generik

In the sizable western NY city I grew up in the same happened because the homeowners insurance at the time covered wind damage but excluded tornado damage per my parents.

That sounds cruel to do that to people. It had to be wind damage in a tornado. Unless there is a dimensional shift or quantum event as some researchers have theorized to explain a piece of straw from grass piercing trees or telephone poles like the sword in the stone of King Arthur after a Hurricane or Tornado pass thru.

I am convinced and am constantly discussing with these meteorologist about terrain being a factor. Mostly it is not a factor so they tend to not think like this. But some features like the Rocky or Appalachian mountains do some observable things to weather fronts and that was my basis for the theory. Unique places exist where vortex storms seem to pop up more than others like Alabama or Arkansas tend to do year round. I also think the opposite that there are areas where vortex's have trouble forming because several surface features disrupt the natural organization of the updraft needed to make the dangerous cloud formation occur. So far, I am stacking up proof and crickets. We will revisit it at the company Christmas dinner I have some recent observations we can discuss.

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

I doubt the US is the only place they get 'em.

But it wouldn't surprise me is the US gets the most. But I honestly don't know...brb.

Tornado numbers...

Apparently, the US leads by an incredible margin over the rest of the world. Well over a thousand reported tornados, while the rest of the world is less than 100 reported...

wow.

That particular area is called 'Tornado Alley' for a reason.

Very sorry for everyone affected. I keep seeing reports of over 80 people dead or missing.

a reply to: Justoneman

Where I live is just inside the "toenails of the foothills" of the Appalachian Chain. Most of our tornadoes, especially the larger ones, start out west of me in a fairly flat area and move toward this area. The mountains certainly do make a big difference! It is actually rare for one to get this far and stay over an F-1.

April 2011 was an exception to that, in large part because those were moving almost due north, instead of the classic northeast direction. The conditions were also much worse than normal; we had major, and I mean major, temperature differentials.

The mountains tend to break up fronts as well. I have watched that my entire life. Storm fronts will start off nasty, even without tornadoes, but when they hit the mountains they start breaking up. The shifting wind patterns forced by the random arrangement of the terrain just don't allow storms to stay as organized. They can still get rough, but not as bad as over flat land.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Justoneman

Where I live is just inside the "toenails of the foothills" of the Appalachian Chain. Most of our tornadoes, especially the larger ones, start out west of me in a fairly flat area and move toward this area. The mountains certainly do make a big difference! It is actually rare for one to get this far and stay over an F-1.

April 2011 was an exception to that, in large part because those were moving almost due north, instead of the classic northeast direction. The conditions were also much worse than normal; we had major, and I mean major, temperature differentials.

The mountains tend to break up fronts as well. I have watched that my entire life. Storm fronts will start off nasty, even without tornadoes, but when they hit the mountains they start breaking up. The shifting wind patterns forced by the random arrangement of the terrain just don't allow storms to stay as organized. They can still get rough, but not as bad as over flat land.

TheRedneck

I have heard some stories about that area. I feel for you.

My grandma was from Flint TN and married three men over her life from Hunstville. The first one was my grandpa and he was a mess for a long time with alcohol but changed. After he passed the other two she also outlived where Preachers. They all died of old age. The last two had a foot in the grave when she met them. Oddly, my wife has a brother who has lots of work either at or companies working for NASA living near Decatur AL.

ETA

Heard and AL preacher discussing the lack of respect people have if they hear you have a southern accent. He said to a jokester that folks from the South have kids who are smarter than folks in their region he was in KC MO, because they can talk one language with each other and write with another..

Rim shot ,/.. ting BANG!

Kudos to all those immigrants who can do that right now! #1 you cared enough to learn, #2 is that #1 is about all that matters to be able to make it in this big melting pot.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

I doubt the US is the only place they get 'em.

But it wouldn't surprise me is the US gets the most. But I honestly don't know...brb.

Tornado numbers...

Apparently, the US leads by an incredible margin over the rest of the world. Well over a thousand reported tornados, while the rest of the world is less than 100 reported...

wow.

Now that would lead us to conclude something abnormal about America then eh? It ticks off a "there is some Weather War going on" thoughts. One thing I know as a person who has to keep up with weather where I have equipment running is that with the Gulf and the Atlantic Air Masses over the waters, Warm Moist air meets Cold Artic air masses or strong Cold Fronts and the mixing causes Tornado's and huge storms....

The landscape is also a major part of it. These storms begin in the plains between Canada and the Gulf. It's both literally & figuratively 'The Perfect Storm'.

The storms can survive and keep going over the hills and through the woods, but they are usually born where it's wide open and flat.





It's not voodoo, or witchcraft, or magic, or Lex Luthor, or HAARP, etc...

it's just that crazy little devil called 'Science'.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: generik

In the sizable western NY city I grew up in the same happened because the homeowners insurance at the time covered wind damage but excluded tornado damage per my parents.

That sounds cruel to do that to people. It had to be wind damage in a tornado.

That's exactly what I thought when I read that comment. Even if it's a tornado, it's still wind damage, but that's just a part of the whole 'Insurance' scam. Those companies like to use words to twist, bend, and reshape reality into a way that becomes more beneficial for themselves.

a reply to: Justoneman

That's why I love Joe's weather blog because he's always speculating. "This *could* mean this or that, but I won't put it in my official forecast because we're so far out, but it's something to keep on the radar ..." That's the kind of thing you'll read frequently in there.

The first snow we had here this year? It happened on a day when it was 50 degrees in the city. But there was a cold layer not so high up in the atmosphere and tiny disturbance moved overhead that caused just enough lift that we got showers that fell through that cold layer and the precip that came out of that fell as frozen precip ... into a mostly sunny, 50 degree day!

It took everyone completely by surprise. There was rain, sleet, snow, and graupel.

a reply to: TheRedneck

The flat open surface is part of what makes it so ripe for development.

And this time, they had the warmth and humidity far enough north to get the big storms going up there where they would normally stay down in the coastal states this time of year, even if we had the warmth far enough north.

Again, in KC, we had all the warmth and instability, we just didn't have the humidity for development, and seeing what happened, that's a good thing.

www.reuters.com...

At least 100 people were feared dead in Kentucky after a swarm of tornadoes tore a 200-mile path through the U.S. Midwest and South, demolishing homes, levelling businesses and setting off a scramble to find survivors beneath the rubble, officials said Saturday.

The powerful twisters, which weather forecasters say are unusual in cooler months, destroyed a candle factory and the fire and police stations in a small town in Kentucky, ripped through a nursing home in neighboring Missouri, and killed at least six workers at an Amazon warehouse in Illinois.

apparently they're still finding victims.

Mayfield, KY got the worst of it.

originally posted by: Justoneman

I work with meteorologist who help forecast tomorrows pollution and they have told me a few things. The easy forecasts are the Coastal areas, Hawaii and Alaska because things are steady patterns daily. But middle USA is really tough to accurately predict past so many hours. They can predict if a front moves or sits still more than they can pinpoint the moisture packages impacts. They might think just a small amount of rain with a front but then a huge amount might pop up and super flood a small area.

I imagine it is hard.
Add in the mountains, the ENSO, the NAO, the jet stream.
I have heard the Great Lakes also make for some tricky forecasting.

I also think they give us forecasts for large areas, to the point the forecast seems to bear little resemblance to what weather "we" actually see.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

They'll tell us that when it comes to snow especially that on X,Y, or Z forecast, a matter of 50 miles north or south in the overall storm track could mean 8 to 10" or barely a trace, and they'll be saying that right up to the night before the storm moves through.

The problem with snow in this area is that every meteorologist loves to pull the trigger on the worst case scenario, and after that happens a time or three, no one pays attention to them anymore so everyone gets caught flat footed when the snow does materialize.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

The Great Lakes do make things difficult to some degree. I recall one year where there was an unusual amount of ice on the lakes, so they took forever to thaw, and the ice on the lakes kept a lot of the midwest cooler by default through much of the summer.

I'm in MI, we didnt have any tornado warnings in my area but the winds were so absolutely strong and horrible yesterday it even was making me a feel concerned for power outages.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe

originally posted by: Justoneman

I work with meteorologist who help forecast tomorrows pollution and they have told me a few things. The easy forecasts are the Coastal areas, Hawaii and Alaska because things are steady patterns daily. But middle USA is really tough to accurately predict past so many hours. They can predict if a front moves or sits still more than they can pinpoint the moisture packages impacts. They might think just a small amount of rain with a front but then a huge amount might pop up and super flood a small area.

I imagine it is hard.
Add in the mountains, the ENSO, the NAO, the jet stream.
I have heard the Great Lakes also make for some tricky forecasting.

I also think they give us forecasts for large areas, to the point the forecast seems to bear little resemblance to what weather "we" actually see.

The large area forecast will say 40% chance of rain and that means a 100% chance that 40% of the area will get rain.