Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor says a FETUS is the same as a BRAIN-DEAD Person.

a reply to: Quadrivium

I'm pretty sure it will never happen, but I do hope you can somehow find it in yourself to reflect on exactly how far you would be willing to go for your own selfish desires.

When was that? Do you even know?

How do you "flash around biology terms".

Mitosis happens.....therefore, the cytoplast is a person and eliminating it from the womb is the murder of a human being. Stuff like that. You're using psuedoscience to back up your religious outrage.

Maybe you don't understand where Babies come from? The stork?

We all know where babies come from. However, participating in sex doesn't equate to consent to pregnancy, nor to carry said pregnancy to term. Mitosis doesn't override a woman's right to not be pregnant.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Please, scientifically speaking, when does a human being become human, not Sookiechacha speaking.

Only an idiot, or someone who is fully sterile, participates in sex believing they have zero chance of pregnancy. So the only way you get busy is to acknowledge and accept/consent to that chance.

a reply to: TheRedneck

In other words, you will ignore the question.

I'm arguing on behalf of women's reproductive rights here, asking for nothing other than to uphold Roe V Wade. It isn't broken, and it doesn't need fixin. That's how far I'm willing to go to defend women's reproductive rights.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Please, scientifically speaking, when does a human being become human, not Sookiechacha speaking.

I've never argued that a human ovum, fertilized or not, embryo or fetus were not human.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Please, scientifically speaking, when does a human being become human, not Sookiechacha speaking.

I've never argued that a human ovum, fertilized or not, embryo or fetus were not human.

So you are arguing for ability to deny another human's right to life out of your convenience. You want the right to murder.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's your religiously tainted moral outrage. A fertilized egg has no "right to life". It has odds and potential.

What’s the odds on potential aborted vs not?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I'm arguing on behalf of women's reproductive rights here

Oh, is that what you're arguing? I thought you were lobbying to have science stricken from schools.

That's how far I'm willing to go to defend women's reproductive rights.

Denying science supports women's rights? Really?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I've never argued that a human ovum, fertilized or not, embryo or fetus were not human.

So you admit that the ovum is human and alive, right?

Just want to get that on record... might be a breakthrough. Definitely an historic event.

TheRedneck

a reply to: carewemust Dam is she out of touch. But she is a radical political appointment. That comment is not even that far removed from comments made about slaves at one time or another by SC persons.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TheRedneck

In other words, you will ignore the question.

I'm arguing on behalf of women's reproductive rights here, asking for nothing other than to uphold Roe V Wade. It isn't broken, and it doesn't need fixin. That's how far I'm willing to go to defend women's reproductive rights.

There are only pre reproductive rights. A woman gets pregnant that ship has sailed.

a reply to: Logarock

There is alot of rights connected within those "reproductive rights" it seems. I keep listing some of them, people seem to now to acknowledge how easily they are stripped at the present time.
So, just when did the women or in some cases CHILD, forfeit her right to bodily autonomy? Her right to choose the and recieve the best course of treatment for her medical condition? Her right to free movement. Her right to not have her body permanently damaged. Her right to good health, her right to life.
Is it when she is no longer a virgin? At conception even though no one will know it has taken place? When?

a reply to: dawnstar Ok how can body autonomy be claimed for one, the act itself was not autonomous? and two the word just sterilizes whats really going on. another human grown in the body, autonomy has sailed. You have set the God code in motion. You are now subject to the high calling of bearing the child.

a reply to: Logarock

Except when drs, lawyers, and judges become more concerned with the fetus than the well being of the women and start forcing c-sections on her against her will. Just one example.

a reply to: TheRedneck

So you admit that the ovum is human and alive, right?

I never claimed anything different. I'm not one of those who says an egg, fertilized or not, an embryo or a fetus isn't human or that it isn't alive. I'm the one saying that it doesn't necessarily have a right to life, until it reaches viability, or unless it's mother says so. It's not a person, yet.

I understand that an abortion deliberately terminates something that is alive, something that has the potential, if it beats the odds, of becoming an autonomous person. I've never argued to the contrary, in any abortion thread here on ATS. I have argued that life has no beginning, and that there isn't any magic fairy that bestowed life at some point.

What I am saying, is the woman's autonomy, her will and her liberty supersedes HER fertilized egg's right to life, at a pre-viable stage. It's her choice whether or not she wants to use her body to procreate.

a reply to: Logarock

There are only pre reproductive rights. A woman gets pregnant that ship has sailed.

Why is that?

That certainly is not the case.

a reply to: carewemust

Medically speaking, is Justice Sotomayor's comparison of a Fetus with a Brain-Dead Person accurate?

It's an astute observation, she must be well aware of what happens on board. They still respond to stimuli, but...

More on point, do you remember the last time you had a decent conversation with a fetus? And in case you do: really? Tell us everything about it!

originally posted by: Spartakush
a reply to: carewemust

Medically speaking, is Justice Sotomayor's comparison of a Fetus with a Brain-Dead Person accurate?

It's an astute observation, she must be well aware of what happens on board. They still respond to stimuli, but...

More on point, do you remember the last time you had a decent conversation with a fetus? And in case you do: really? Tell us everything about it!

Please tell us about a decent conversation with a recently born baby.

Did you really think that kind deception would work?


How do you like this one?
(Courtesy of a Cranky Old Man)

a reply to: Ghostsdogood

What's so deceptive about my question when you just showed up, and literally turned my fetus into a newborn as if 9 months passed in seconds under your thumb?

Slow down, mate! When you keep up this pace you'll be banned before my night has passed, and die next week in case you never smoked. Otherwise I'm not so sure.

a reply to: Spartakush


A fetus might have a longer memory than you:

"More on point, do you remember the last time you had a decent conversation with a fetus? And in case you do: really? Tell us everything about it!"