The Real Dangers Involved in Channeling Demonic Spirits....

Hello All,

I was asked by a couple of you to share my experiences regarding things that have happened as a result of my occultic activities, so that is what I want to do. It all started when I was 10 years old. My grandma got my sister and I a ouija board one X-mas, and my parents were not too happy about it, so we decided to sneak it out of their closet one day and play it with a neighbor girl that lived downstairs in our apartment complex. She was my age.

We chose the abandoned carport as our place to play. There were mattresses stacked on top of each other, as well as a door that was being stored there so we put the door on top of the mattresses to use as our table. There were no lights on and it was during the day.

We started to play asking the board questions like, "Is there a spirit in this board?", and it responded with a strong yes. We didn't think anything of it because of our natural curiosity, so we continued on. We asked the spirit how old it was and it said, "4 million years old". We laughed. Then we asked it, "What is your name?", and it said, Pisquir. Mind you, we were not moving the planchette by ourselves. We got a little freaked out, but wanted to play some more, it just drew us in....

Then my neighbor asked it, " Who is going to die next?" and it said Toulina, my real name. I got really freaked out and picked the board up and threw it against the wall of the carport and it landed slowly and neatly upright and the planchette landed right on top of the board, in the middle. We did not want to touch it at that time, so we left it in the corner. I was a little pissed and scared at the same time. We decided to try to get our minds off the experience, so we played and jumped on top of the door and the mattresses, laughing despite my fright.

I picked an old curtain rod up and was jumping up, then all of a sudden, my arms thrusted upward, not by my doing. The curtain rod went up into a light socket and sparks started to fall down on my head and body and my hands were getting burned as I screamed bloody murder. My sister pushed me down and I landed on the door, crying. I begged her and my neighbor never to tell what happened. That invited so many things into my life, and to this day I still have experiences, that I believe are a result of channeling this spirit through the board that day. If you want to hear more experiences, let me know. I have nothing to hide and want to help anyone that needs it.

Icelandia

Gasp!
Tell us more!

i'm interested to hear more as well

For God's sakes, out with it!!! I beg of you!!

I've heard a couple of stories similar to these from people I know. Bottom line is: DON'T mess with ouija boards. I don't know much about the occult, but I do know that these boards are evil. I know a priest who had to perform an exorcism because some teenagers were screwing around with one of these things, and some invisible force started trashing the place, throwing things around and stuff like that. Fortunately one of the kids had the presence of mind to phone the priest and he showed up right away. No one got hurt but everyone got spooked out big time.

I've said it already here and on at least one other thread, but I'll say it again because it's so important. DO NOT USE OUIJA BOARDS. I'll be happy if I can prevent just one person from using one. The priest mentioned above told me that if he ever saw an ouija board again, he would immediately destroy it, regardless of the situation, no matter the reaction of the owner. I decided that I would do the same; fortunately, I've never come across one.

I've seen all of these warnings about ouija boards before, and I must say.. either no spirits find me interesting, or they are shy. I've tried ouija boards everywhich way -- wrong and right ways of using it to no avail. Yes, I've even used it while alone *big gasp*. If you guys have a way of attracting any spirits, let me know.

hi ! although i believe in the presence of supernatural beings - such as demons - however i do not believe that contact with them is possible in our time , not that i'm trying to discredit you my friend, but did u consider that you might be a victim of a cruel joke gone bad ? although your memory of the incident is quite vivid - how can it not be ? - but the human mind has the habit of refining and adjusting memories that are dramatic , especially those of our childhood . believe me when i say this , because i too have memories that are vivid , but untrue ......

tempogen

however i do not believe that contact with them is possible in our time

Why???

I used to do seances.....and Yes you do encounter Demons....especially in our time...
I'ts not something that one can merely have a laugh about and think nothing of it....
helen..

Your hardcore disbeliefs are a protection. There are rules. They cannot touch you if you are absolutely closed. Where your mind is resolved that there is nothing else.

i too have memories that are vivid , but untrue

does anybody else find this paradoxical? you mean, somebody else convinced you your own 'vivid memories' were halucinations or distorted somehow?

-agreed, a mature mind can totally convince a more feeble mind as to what is 'real' and what is not - but that does not make them right.

we humans only have 5 senses (and the elusive 6th) -that means we have only have 5 ways to detect 'reality'. whos to say we have a monopoly on 'reality'.. there are spectrums of light that we cannot see, but they are still there.

personally, i believe in the concept of eternity. it allows for the possiblity of every combination of variables to eventually if not already - to become a 'reality'. (somewhere sometime someplace)

seeing as they are not living humans, lets say the ouiji demons/whatever could very likely have more than 5 senses - or less! regardless, there are "forces that be" that somehow can enter our realm and elude our 5 senses so accuratley that in our confusion we dismiss the entire encounter and actually question our own minds and sanity.

now if thats not a demon, i dont know what is.

wow icelandia...............i remembered from the cassieclay thread that you had said that you had experience in the occult.

that just helps make the point to me that a person should never "dabble" in the occult. there's no point in it...............and like you found out.....you opened a door that has never closed.

i just don't want to mess with things of darkness. i prefer my path to GOD.
this other stuff.................NO THANKS!


angie

Hi Icelandia,

For decades, I have dealt with many discarnate demonic attacks (and still do) and have also counseled people that have had these experiences. As such, I would like to offer insight and advice on this and related issues:

1. Whether one is using a Spirit/Ouija Board, Tarot Cards, Pendulums, pursuing channeling Spirit directly, etc., one must always surround oneself with Spiritual White Light and pray ahead of time (preferably daily) for guidance, healing and protection. If you are not sincere in your efforts, you are going to automatically attract common or inferior spirits/discarnates.

2. As with those on this side of the spectrum, most discarnates are of the inferior, spiritually indifferent focus.

3. You can do everything right and still be attacked by demonic spirits.

4. One does not have to use an Ouija Board in order to be attacked by demonic spirits. There are cases of people who are not pursuing any psychic or channeling activity whatsoever and are still victims of discarnate abuse.

5. Individually speaking, demonic spirits are very weak telekinetically because they cannot ascend much into The Light and are forced to reside in the relatively darker astral regions of the Lower Realms. The reason why a demonic figure occasionally appears to be powerful to those in the flesh is because a new collective of like-minded individuals has emerged that is evil in focus. Characteristically, Group Entities use their combined soul energies to project the persona of being one powerful individual when in fact they are a collective of hundreds, thousands, even millions of people on the Other Side.

6. The best self-healing modality that I have found (outside of uniting with The Light after bodily death) to overcome the damage caused by Group Entities in the Lower Realms, is a system that is over five thousand years old. It is called Qigong (pronounced chi-gong).

7. Anxiety attacks and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can be caused by repeated discarnate abuse. One can overcome these wounds with the regular practice of Qigong. I know -- I've done it.

8. When Group Entities in the Lower Realms abuse innocents, they continue to damage their ability to unite with The Light. No matter how powerful a demonic force appears to be, if you just wait it out, it will literally destroy itself from its own retrogression away from The Light and into total darkness. When a soul (which is a form of energy) is on the Other Side and it unites with total darkness (from abuse to innocents), it no longer exists; this is the fate of everyone who is on an evil path. Within the Christian tradition, this is referred to as "losing one's soul." It happens everyday as recently transitioned souls form new Group Entities which eventually destroy themselves -- as the vast majority of creation is not on a spiritual path toward The Light.

9. Saintly souls can only be abused by Group Entities while they are in the flesh. When they are free of matter, saints can ascend beyond the Lower Realms and into dimensions of energy in The Light that are out of reach of all Group Entities in the Mid and Lower Realms of Spirit.

10. "The meek shall inherit the earth" because most souls do not survive themselves in the discarnate dimensions.



[edit on 29-3-2005 by Paul_Richard]

how do you know all of this paul richards???

or is it speculation???

dear friends , you believe in these things a little too much . do you mean to tell me that the mind never alters a memory to a more convenient version ?
ask any psychiatrist , he'll tell you the same .
i did not say that i don't believe in these beings , i'm just saying that contact is highly unlikely , i have a friend who says he used to see " strange people " when he was a kid , and i totally believe him . however there was no lifetime persuite , it all ended when he hit puberty , and he's colour blind - although i don't think it's related to the incident in any way but it's just fun to mention - my belief tells me : that after the time of solomon all contact between men and demons was highly restricted , if not severed , and my motto is : i'll believe it when i see it .
again i'm sure SOMETHING happened to you , but it doesn't have to be this....

Originally posted by sturod84
how do you know all of this paul richards???

or is it speculation???

Experience, analysis, and communication.

The traditional psychiatrist adheres to the theories and conclusions of Sigmund Freud. Freud's outdated paradigm about the human psyche was slanted from his prejudiced stance of not accepting the validity of the soul and the discarnate dimensions.

For example, the brain does not create dreams, as is the Freudian conception. What really happens is that when a person goes to sleep, they become more receptive to the telepathic messages of people on the Other Side, most of which are sheathed in symbolic representation. Most dreams are not of a spiritual or helpful nature because most people on the Other Side are not spiritually focused. Nightmares are actually a form of astral attack. I know all this from many years of experience as a spiritual medium and in dealing with discarnate demonic abuse.

As such, to venture to a traditional psychiatrist and expect him or her to be able to solve problems of a discarnate and metaphysical nature, is a waste of time and usually hard-earned money.

Unless of course, you want drugs.

somehow attacking freud proves your point ? talk about biased , at least freud used reason and sheer mind power in his analysis of the human psyche , and not some mythical notion that people on the " other side " have nothing better to do than send " telipathic signals " to the living .
freud's principals succeeded in curing some psychological conditions once described as " demonic possesion " . what did you do ?

The main problem here is that people do not know what they are channeling....... if you "invite" an entity into your home trough a ouija board, meditation, or any other form.....you have no way of controlling what comes through, and why people continue to "play" in this manner always amazes me

While we can never know for certain what exactly caused Icelandia's snafu with the Oujia board (though apparently there are many here who do seem to know without a doubt), it might be helpful to consider a number of possibilities. For instance, while it could be that the Oujia is the "porthole to Satan" as repeated ad nauseum by a slew of Hollywood movies and not a few "experts of the occult," it might also be true that mishaps with the board might be due to hypnotic suggestion. Through hypnotic suggestion one can shiver in cold even though it's hot, feel no pain, quit smoking, automatically recount the history of Atlantis, or smell once again grandma's freshly-baked cookies. Would it be so unbelievable that mass culture, in terms of widely-held superstitions and urban legends, be able to pass along hypnotic suggestions of terror-filled nights with the Oujia to unsuspecting dabblers? This explanation is just as valid as the "demon" theory and in order to consider this phenomena in a rational, healthy way all possible reasonable theories must be considered, not just the "sexy" ones that make good campfire tales or makes one look like a sage-like expert on the mystic.

Here is another viewpoint on the Oujia topic that deserves as much consideration as the "demonic spirits" theory:
Alternate Oujia Theory

[edit on 29-3-2005 by Cassie Clay]