Could the latest religion be wrong in origin ? [VIDEO]

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

I'm about 98% sure the rings of Saturn cannot be seen with the naked eye so any correspondence with rings before 1610 is most likely nonesense.

Old English Sætern, a Roman god, also "most remote planet" (then known), from Latin Saturnus, originally a name of an Italic god of agriculture, possibly from Etruscan. Derivation from Latin serere (past participle satus) "to sow" is said to be folk-etymology.

Saturn (Latin: Sāturnus [saːˈtʊrnʊs]) was a god in ancient Roman religion, and a character in Roman mythology. He was described as a god of generation, dissolution, plenty, wealth, agriculture, periodic renewal and liberation. Saturn's mythological reign was depicted as a Golden Age of plenty and peace. After the Roman conquest of Greece, he was conflated with the Greek Titan Cronus. Saturn's consort was his sister Ops, with whom he fathered Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto, Juno, Ceres and Vesta.

Predates 1610, Gods were represented by the planet 100's to 1000's of years before Galileo was even a twinkle in his fathers eye. Understandably, he made the first recorded documentation in modern times about the existence of the planet Saturn' rings. But we would also have to assume history as we were told is factually true and the ancients weren't more advanced than we would give them credit for. Off-note, but how do we explain the Gold Mines of Enki and the nuclear war that happened there? Or how do we explain the things that most people just don't know or understand? I guess it's a convenient part of "their" story...

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

You know what the Norse representation of the God Saturn was? Loki.

I've never ever heard of this correlation, there's no evidence the Norse had any deity links to planets. Asatru whether old or new does not fit with Roman religion if anything it's has/had more links with far Eastern religions.

There are many pieces on the internet where you can find this information:

Saturday, the final day of the week, was originally known as Laugardag (formed from Loki’s name, but it translates to wash-day). When adapted to English, the day did in fact maintain its connection to Loki. The word Saturday is based on Sataere (the thief in ambush).

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Days Of The Week: Saturday Dedicated to the shadowy Anglo-Saxon god Saetere, the equivalent to the Roman Saturn, and the Greek Cronos. It is also associated with the Norns, the Norse equivalent of the Three Fates, and the Trickster-god, Loki. Magical aspects: longevity, exorcism, endings, apprehension, austerity, caution, and limitations.

www.thewhitegoddess.co.uk...

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Bull, Christianity traces to those whom Believe in Yeshua Ha-Mashiach that is Jesus the Messiah the Christ.

Have you ever heard the full story of Osiris?

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

His story (the Hermetica is a more interesting read by the way and reads much like an OOBE though the epic of gilgamesh maybe predates it and goes into far more detail about an IN body experience that may relate to being taken aloft in an actual spacecraft of some description - still worth mentioning) is actually much more similar to the story of Jacob although his ladder to the duat was different, I do not believe they are the same story although you know Jesus said and it is also in the old testament.

There is nothing new under the sun.

In the old testament.

Ecclesiastes 1:4-11 4Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. 5The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. 6The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. 7All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again. 8All things are wearisome, more than one can say. The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing. 9What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. 10Is there anything of which one can say, "Look! This is something new"? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. 11No one remembers the former generations, and even those yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow them.

Egyptian Religion was a hodge podge of MANY religions, they had more god's than anyone other than the Hindu's and were superstitious to the point that it was wearisome to try to appease all the god's they may offend by doing this or not doing that.

Also Osiris story which is actually VERY different to that of Christ (which I believe is actual truth) was mixed up with many other myth's and had celestial planetary behaviour mixed into the story.

Take the story of how Horus was conceived from Osiris as the first mummy, Isis could not find his willy when she collected his parts and put him back together (they could not fix old humpty either in the old nursery rhyme - were did that come from - though he fell off of a wall and was not murdered by Set and the conspirators as Osiris was) so she made one from a BRANCH, now a family has BRANCHES and is likened to a tree though for the Egyptians it was literally a Branch and she was Literally his sister and Set literally his brother (which is why the Egyptian dynasty's inbred so badly and ended up looking like mutants).

But were it comes to similarity, he was Murdered, not crucified and not a sacrifice so there is no similarity there, he did not ascent with clouds as Jesus did instead the Gods of the Earth and the Duat joined hands and created a ladder out of there own spirits and he ascended that into the Duat (Orions Belt) and became a God of the Dead, Jesus is by comparison a God of the LIVING and has defeated death.

Jacob and Osiris, Jacob Slept in the desert and saw a ladder (not the gods holding hands) and angels or beings in service to GOD (One God) Ascending it and Descending it - some interpret that as Reincarnation but that is just them reading into it.

Set Ascended a ladder and never came back down it.

Hell I have even seen a ladder in a vision and so too have man, I will tell you exactly what it looked like.

Dark place only twilight but you can see in the spirit even in that oppressive gloom, flat featureless grey terrain and in the middle of this a Ladder, in form like a single TREE but with TWO Trunk's for the Stay's and the Rung's were branches placed about two feet apart thicker than a man's arms, the wood was harder than stone, grey slightly silvery with crack's along the grain, there were knots but they were rounded and it was smooth, no join's it was as if the rung's were grown out of both trunk's (Stay's), looking up it rose into a distant lighter area far above and vanished from view into infinity toward that brighter patch.

Climbing it, I climbed three steps and stumbled as was suddenly at the top, I felt a terrible sense of shame so intense I dared not look, not out of fear but out of shame and asked for someone to be helped whom I felt was in danger, (it was brighter up there about the same brightness as if candles were shinning but still I did not see anything as I kept my face down and did not look) I stepped back and went down ONE rung (seeing just one thing a small staff or upright pillar of some kind shaped like a staff, someone with a pagan mindset may interpret it was a phallic symbol - I think they would be wrong in doing so - but basically just a short staff or pillar with a rounded top) then woke back in my mortal coil, it was NOT a dream but Neither was it God's ladder (At the time I did not know what to think and it was a difficult point in my life) or the Ladder of Osiris.
(on a side note a favourite saying in Liverpool back when girls wore tights if they had a ladder in one would be is that a ladder to heaven - worthy of adding as a laughing point, unfortunately it was not that sort of Ladder).
(and I am not holy - that is until Jesus makes me so).

a reply to: kloejen


i thought that Scientology was the latest, newest, most recently launched Religion & not Islam which is 1,400 years & growing...

a reply to: St Udio

Did somebody mention SQUIRRELS haha, sorry could not resist and Tom Cruise is pretty much there pope.

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a reply to: Randyvine2
In all honesty the last religion to probably have it right was the Cathars...if you don't know what THEY did to them look it up. Good read. We will never know the truth. They have extinguished it from history not just from religion but our true history as humans...A few know but it's the BIG secret they keep to themselves. I think they have access to what let's just call the ether
Realm and use it to their advantage for control

a reply to: Oathkeeper73

What was done to them was a crime against God but I do not agree with them having it right.

They were a Gnostic sect, one of many Gnostic sects but they were still arguably Christians albeit strange ones, every church at that time except perhaps the far less hate filled Cathars (whom were still not right but on that point they were correct not to hate) were NOT really Christians as they were all killing in the name of God when in fact God told them NOT to kill.

What it was the Cathars had many good ideas but did not accept the Trinity and instead practiced a form of Dualistic faith based only partially on Christian teachings and with a lot that may have come from Buddhism thrown in but they were basically not bad people.

An entire town of CATHOLICS was butchered just to kill the few Cathars that may be hiding among them and the man whom ordered it said "Kill them all and Let GOD sort them out", he was later declared a Saint not by God or a Miracle but by the corrupt Church of the period, a period that saw the Borgia among other heretics gain power over the faithful of the western world.

There was an entire war though much earlier before the Catholic and the Orthodox split, once again it went against Christian teaching but give the wrong people a group of believers to manipulate and a position of power from which to do so and that is what always happens in all religions, in that war against the Gnostic's most of there HERETICAL work's and they were Heretical were burned.

Part of the reason they were heretical was that they taught salvation not through grace or faith but through knowledge and much of that so called Knowledge was taken from Pagan sources such as the surviving mystical texts saved from the library of Alexandria.

Before Christianity the great library of Alexandria had been burned down (an earlier great reset perhaps that came just a few century's after Qin had ordered the history's of the seven kingdom's and all there knowledge destroyed over in China - perhaps inspiring Mao when he ordered the cultural revolution to pretty much do the same thing), during the fire Scholars with there beards and robes on fire were seen running out carrying scroll's to safety, this knowledge ended up hiding among the pagan religious community's of Egypt, later as Christianity spread many of these secret knowledge keeping sect's hid within the new religion as it spread out of Palestine and gained influence in there own land's, in time it formed a cancer within the faith and part of this disease was the creation of false Christian texts such as the false text known as the Infancy Gospel of Thomas which was Not a true gospel and created childhood tales some quite gory and blasphemous about Jesus corrupting many early church's with it's lies and leaving a lasting legacy of those lies that can still be found in the Muslims writings today even though it at it's earliest only dated to the late second century and was not written by anyone that KNEW or grew up with Jesus.

a reply to: LABTECH767


The resurrection of Jesus Christ sets Christianity apart from all other
religions. The God that created the universe is surely capable of
leaving the world a message. Nothing on this Earth could possibly
be so incline as the Bible has proven itself to be. A beautiful work
of ancient literature to carnal man and an indestructible account
of Gods Holy Word and the history of his plan for all Creation. It is
alive with the truth of Jesus Christ because the truth lives forever.
It is a miracle in and of itself that we even have it. Those who don't
know that are really missing out. It's the most intense love story I've
ever read. Nothing else can approach it.

Just a regular guys assessment.

a reply to: Randyvine2

And the evidence supporting it, at least the crucifixion as the enemy's of the early church denied that any resurrection had taken place.

There is early pagan graffiti found in Rome for instance mocking Christians with a goat on a crucifix and many other indicators showing that the first and early second century Christians were real.

There are also references to them in many early texts.

As a Christian I believe evidence of the resurrection is real and I personally also believe the Turin shroud which was probably looted from Constantinople is a genuine artefact from the tomb, there are details on it that could not have been faked, the placement of the nails in the lower wrist - upper hand not the lower arm - at a place were the bones would support the weight, the Jewish religious bindings on his arm and head near to the crown of thorn's that orthodox Jews still wear today for prayer as after all a rabbi put him into the tomb, the six sided nails unusual but not unheard of and far better than the usual four sided nails that most Roman soldiers made (once again showing the pride the man crucifying him whom knew just were to put those nails had in his gruesome work), the wounds and the fact that analysis shows that it was indeed blood on the cloth, the fact his hand appears twice as if it was moving as he came back to life and left two prints upon the cloth from whatever radiation left the image.

There is also a controversial text called the Acta Pilate which purports to be the actual report made by Pontius Pilate to the emperor though it's has never been possible to verify it and it's content is controversial as Pilate describes Jesus as Blond and Blue eyed and unlike the Other Jews (the Book of Enoch describes Noah pretty much the same as well and Enoch nearly rejected him as Enoch was dark skinned and dark Eyed and thought that Jesus was a son of one of the watchers until God told him otherwise), it is also possible that Pilate saw a vision of Jesus that was NOT what other people saw since he was and is of course a supernatural being, literally Spirit manifest as Flesh (something that has been reported when people have passed over many times and people think they have met them still alive only to later find out they were already - in the Spirit, dead is not correct there flesh had fallen away but they are very much alive - and whom was Jesus speaking too when he said "he that believeth in me though he were DEAD shall live", not just sinners I would warrant but also living spirit's lost and being called to him).
www.johnthebaptist.us...

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Predates 1610, Gods were represented by the planet 100's to 1000's of years before Galileo was even a twinkle in his fathers eye. Understandably, he made the first recorded documentation in modern times about the existence of the planet Saturn' rings. But we would also have to assume history as we were told is factually true and the ancients weren't more advanced than we would give them credit for. Off-note, but how do we explain the Gold Mines of Enki and the nuclear war that happened there? Or how do we explain the things that most people just don't know or understand? I guess it's a convenient part of "their" story...

Yet there's absolutely no rings in any depiction of Saturn in history before the 1600's, I'm open minded about history and eager to learn. We're talking ancient aliens level of theory here and I'm not getting any information to sway me on the possibility that a pre flood civilization worshipped or even knew of the rings of Saturn, I must add that a pre flood civilization is still a myth more than a theory and I'm compelled to mention that humans in a relatively modern form were worldwide before any biblical floods of Europe and the Middle East.

However I am of the opinion humans or humanoids have used tools for upto about 4.7 million years, very good at such things for 150,000 years. Our more modern skill sets could trace back before the last ice age. Gobekli Tepe is most definitely a place to watch in the coming years... But I'm not one to blur the lines between myth and archaeological data. I will say that agriculture didn't happen over night imho.

Your Loki link and and that of Saetere (thanks a new one on me) is related to days not planets. It seems Saetere was a proto-Germanic deity which I'm sure you are aware influenced the wider Celtic community and the cultures that came from them such as the Anglo-Saxons and the Norse... I somewhat touched on that. Again there's little evidence the Norse applied dieties to the wandering stars that said it's difficult to record history from oral tradition isn't it? Groups influence each other it's possible that Roman Pantheons influenced proto-Germanic ones and Saturn the planet was linked with counter parts but that's just speculation, there's little evidence for it.

Frankly the better part of the information we have about the Norse comes from Christian scholars and it seems there's plenty of contradictory info, I'm going to need a lot more convincing that:

1. Historically people knew if the rings of Saturn
2. Loki is Saturn.

Genuinely don't mean to be rude or anything, I love a good theory however it seems to me your theory and links aren't based on evidence. I don't support an Anunnaki hypothesis either.

I've always found Loki to be fascinating though, he wasn't of that pantheon and only Odin knew his origins and always kept him close. Some good fiction could be written about that if you want to link him to the Anunnaki.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

dude, we are so on the same page. Iah was the moon god in Egypt. Much of the cultus is built around the lunar cycle. They travelled through the wilderness of Sin, aka the moon God. Abram's uncle Laban means white and is the same as the word moon. Lebanon means the same.

I'm not sure moses was a priest of the moon god though. I don't think moses was real first off, its an origin myth that takes many truths and makes a narrative which is fine with me. I think there is a constant fight for dominance in the OT, by different tribes of people who eventually banded together to form a nation.

Moses is the deuteronomists guy. He was added later to cement the priest class. The nation was supposed to be a nation of priests but that didn't pan out.

I just try to look at each aspect of the cultus, the names, the words used etc. to try and sift through and figure out what was going on.

For instance. When Israel is leaving Egypt who leads them out? The priestesses, with cymbals led by Miriam. Hathor's name is Hathor-Mari. Then the golden calf which is most likely Hathor. The ark is almost an exact representation of a hathorite ark. The mountain of God is likely Serabit El Khadim which was a Hathor temple. Moses' two brothers are named Har or Hor. Harun, and Hor (horus). Not much hiding it there. The story of moses in the basket is probably a reversal on Osiris, at least an allusion to it, with Isis being the more modern hathor. As an aside, Osiris' body ended up in Byblos (lebanon-moon), where we get our word for bible.

Two hathor tabernacles were found in Israel from the time the exodus was supposed to take place. They had almost the exact same layout and design as that of the Israelite Tabernacle, in the holy of holies they found a bronze serpent. And of course the horites were the people who lived in Israel before the Israelites. They are seen as ancestors, and are in the family line of esau. The notes in most bibles say horites are cave dwellers, or troglodytes. And hor does mean mountain. But that word derives from Horus (or they are related in antiquity). Horites were of course those who worshipped horus.

Moses and the bronze serpent. That is a symbol of ashera, and in fact may be what was termed the ashera pole. Ashera is also syncretized with?????? Hathor. What is the other semetic name for this high goddess? Qodesh. Qodesh means holy. And in fact the tabernacle was called the qodesh. The holy of holies, the qodesh qodesh.

Originally God had a wife in Israel. It wasn't until the deuteronomist purge and the retconning of their origin story, that Ashera was made evil. She was worshipped throughout the levant, and the very first image we have depicting YHWH has Ashera there.

Of course Ashera was the consort of Bull-El. El being the father god of the levant. He is associated Saturn aka Shabbati where the word Saabath comes from. Saturn/El used circumcision.

It is my opinion that they eliminated Asherah and replaced her with Israel. Both are God's wife. This being part of the transition from henotheism to monotheism. The tabernacle being the grand representation of the woman. The veils of the tabernacle are likened to the veil of a bride. Again Ashera=qodesh=tabernacle.

The representation looks like this, and is sun worship oriented: The tabernacle faces east, it is like a woman lying on her back. (this is the standard in sun temples) The entry to the tabernacle being the vagina (the first veil). The entry to the Holy of Holies is into the uterus, where conception takes place. The idea of marriage, and procreation is well represented in the tabernacle, later shown more in solomons temple. Pomegranates for instance are a symbol of fertility. The two pillars represent her legs. The sun traverses from East to West, and "enters" the temple. There the royal consummation takes place in the holy of holies, aka the bridal chamber (see song of solomon).

The 12 tribes surround the sun/moon (see Josephs dream) as the zodiac. Just as the 12 disciples surrounded the sun/moon Jesus and Mary M. What was Hathor's full name again? Hathor-MARY. Jesus said he was like the serpent on the pole, which is a sun symbol, the serpent being the sun, and the pole being the cross or the ecliptic plane. This is the symbol of Chi-Rho. The chi is the cross, and the Rho is the head, or the firstborn sun/son.

You mention the name of Israel being isis, ra, el. While that may be true, IDK. I've come up with another view based on this concept of Husband wife.

The word israel is Y-Sh-R-A-L. Y is a prefix, possibly relating to sun staff, the clan leader symbol. Sh-R = Prince, and is where the word Czar comes from. Sh-R-H is Sarah. It was Sh-R-Y as Sarai. Y, H, A, V are matre lectionis, meaning they act as vowels. They are also often interchanged esoterically. So Sh-R-A would also be pronounced Sarai. Ashera is A-Sh-R-H. A was often not spoken.

What I see is a strong connection between Abraham/Sarah and El/Asherah. The name Israel being a conjunction of Asherah/El or Sarah/El with the sun staff Y as the prefix. Meaning Jacob was now the clan leader and their Gods were El-Asherah. Yahweh possibly being their child, and what the Y stands for. Or its Yah-Asherah-El. Which is almost identical to Isis-Rah-El. Also Isis is a cognate of the word wife in Hebrew which is Isha. And is used in the naming of Israel.

Of course this took place at Beth-El. The house of El. The house was the woman. The letter B is Beth or Beyt, and is a tent or tabernacle. This is the same as Hathor, which is Hath-Hor. Hath is house and is a cognate of Bath or Beth. So the tabernacle houses the God, aka she takes him inside her, where a child is born. Benjamin was born there his meaning is son of my right hand, and the temple was situated in Benjamin's territory (an allusion to Jesus).

The name of God given to Moses at the burning bush was not yhwh but Hayah Asher Hayah. It is spelled H-Y-H, A-Sh-R, H-Y-H.

Asher is the eponymous Assyria. He is represented by the tree of life (Jesus is the tree of life), and the winged sun-disc. This disc was found throughout Israel into the captivity and beyond. It is on Hezekiahs royal seal, who was supposed to be one of the righteous ones.

Asher is of course one of the twelve tribes and his brother Gad is also the name of a god, and possibly where we get the word God from.

Joseph is egyptian IMO. Or represents the egyptian faction among the tribes. I think a lot of the division between solar and lunar worship is also a division between east and west. Abram was from Mesopotamia, Moses/Joseph/Levi were from Egypt. They may have all been semites, but came from different cultures.

He married the daughter of the high priest of On, aka heliopolis.

Now moses, IMO represents Nabu/Nebo, to his Marduk, who eventually replaced Asher, and you don't have to look far for the comparisons between YHWH and Marduk or Zeus. . He even gets a dragon totem like Nebo, or at least a baby dragon, in the serpent on the pole. He is the scribe god. He is the psychopomp. He died on Mt. Nebo. Just as Aaron died on Mt. Hor.

I could go on, but this has already been pretty long