“Vehicles” Larger Than Earth Are Hovering Around Saturn?

I don't believe one way or another, I find it to be just a fascinating topic. I'm big on What if's of life, it doesn't mean I'm wringing my hands worrying about the incoming alien invasion. or even thinking this true... it's a what if?

I mostly post stuff like this because it's a subject matter that brought me to ATS as a lurker at first, and now I find myself drowning in political and COVID threads and honestly really enjoy the distraction of discussing UFOs, aliens, etc.

In other words, not looking to be converted or being taught planetary gravity patterns, or even going on how do they survive in the rings? LOL IDFK I just found an article on a topic I liked and thought it would be germane to a website such as ATS.

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: HawkEyi

I remember ones supposedly near the sun, but it just makes you wonder all this time the thought was disclosure would be slowly very slowly rolled out.

after 2020 though Im sure most will believe anything is possible now...

That would be creepy, to know that large celestial bodies are operating withing our Solar System, some sort of mineral, Resource collector of basical raw material.

...that or they're massive organisms, like Jelly Fish, floating among space until they come across a nice juicy world like ours....

a reply to: putnam6

This is actually a flipped and color shifted picture that's been floating around the internet for years.

Here it is being used in 2009, not it's in it's original orientation.

Link

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: AaarghZombies

If it's a close-up pic from Cassini it could very well be a moon and a layer of ring, it's space so perspective kinda matters.

No clue where the image is from, but if it's from that, it very well could be a moon distorting a ring consistently, creating a gap.

Distorted image would easily be explained by 90's camera tech.

It's actually a cropped, flipped and color tinted picture from Voyager in the early 1980s. It's one of the known moons zoomed in from a great distance.

Fascinating photo of one of these blobs (aka "jets") interacting with Saturn's outer ring.

www.nationalgeographic.com...

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

That isn't the argument people use. The argument people use is "there is no actual evidence for the claim being made". All this is is one person looking at a photograph, deciding what he thinks it is and ignoring evidence to the contrary.

The actual book is available at archive.org:

ia601700.us.archive.org...

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: putnam6

An object of that size would create a gravity well that would draw surrounding objects to it, or disrupt the motion of other objects in the local solar system. Which we would know about as it would throw off calculations for things like the path of comets and space debris. It would also effect the trajectory of deep space probes.

Sorry, but math says they either aren't there or that they have the density of gas clouds.

By all accounts these small crafts we see use gravity as propulsion. If they can manipulate gravity on a small scale wouldn’t it make sense they could do it on a large scale.

It always amazes me that people are so dull that they believe what we know is the end all be all and they can’t fathom something knowing how to do something better than us. If we kept advancing for a million years we could not imagine how advanced we would be but yet that is what you are doing. In a little over a hundred years we went from horseback to where we are now.

I just can’t believe people can’t use a better argument than “we can’t do it and don’t know how we would so it’s impossible to believe anything else could no matter how advanced”. It’s just so lazy. Like “believe the government, why would they lie?”.

We have a number of reports that they use gravity as a form of propulsion, but most are from people with little or no background in physics, and the ones who do have a background in physics are usually people like bob Lazar who have a number of question marks against them.

The idea is also questioned extensively as it doesn't seem to mesh with a lot of what we have observed about UFOs, such as the fact that they are often reported to be surrounded by a cloud of plasma, or that they tend to move like a falling leaf when at slow speeds. If you read books like Unconventional flying objects by P.R Hill (A physicist with formerly of NASA) there is a convincing argument that they don't use gravity manipulation at all and instead ride on a plume of high energy particles. He does a lot of math which proves extremely convincing.

If we look at this from a scientific perspective, in order to manipulate gravity you needs a large source of energy, which we can calculate approximately using General Relativity (Of E=Mc2 fame). This lets us calculate how much energy we would need to manipulate the equivalent mass with some room for error due to basic thermal dynamics (You need to use some energy in order to manipulate energy).

For a small craft such as a UFO this is actually quite a significant amount but. It's plausible but would be significantly less efficient than say .. putting wing on your ship and using conventional lift. It would be like using a nuclear powered super computer to play Angry Birds when you had a perfectly serviceable iPad to hand.

This object is supposed to be super-massive so it would need an equivalent amount of energy to manipulate its mass, which it couldn't get from any known source such as nuclear fusion, because A) it wouldn't be able to carry enough fuel for long distance travel and B) It would give out energy on multiple spectrum which we could detect.

We might not know everything, but what we do know tells us that certain things are plausible or implausible.

If this object were a gravity manipulating super-sized space craft it wouldn't just be using a technology that we don't have yet, it would be using a technology that would mean that we needed to completely rethink our understanding of the physical universe from the ground up.

It would also make absolutely no sense to have an object of that size performing that function, it wouldn't be efficient or practical. You would waste so much energy and so many resources just keeping the thing running. When you double the size your square the complexity, so a craft of that size would be so complex that any race capable of building it would surely have the technology to make something much smaller and much more efficient in much the same way that building the Titanic means that you could built a much nicer ship that's much smaller and more economical. You only build things that large if you want to make a statement, and they're not making a statement on the edge of the solar system.

a reply to: putnam6

Probably Not BUT.

We are constantly being told that for humanity to survive we have to learn to get off the earth because it will eventually kill us through natural OR unnatural means, geological upheavals, volcanic activity, solar storm's, asteroid impacts, plagues and famines and into space, to multiply and occupy as many diverse environments as possible and particularly space itself living in world ship's or collective community's of many smaller craft operating like swarm's that would manufacture, mine, recycle and provide living space for whatever we would then become AS WELL AS colonizing OTHER planets despite the dangers this poses.


But we have kid's right, space on a ship even a hundred miles long would eventually become not enough, add to that the fact that we may learn to extend our lifespan indefinitely and then you have yet more problems.

BUT are they problems or OPPORTUNITY's.

Dyson Spheres, these begin as something like the Halo from the Halo universe but over time expand to completely enclose there parent star in a shell, on the inside of the shell is a vast area millions of times larger than the surface of the earth for habitation and population growth but such a huge world would also still require resources from off world so would likely create fleets of giant ship's that would harvest resources that were scarce in it's own system from other systems.

Nomad Civilizations, these may begin as multi generational ship's but eventually they turn there ship into a mobile world, they travel around a galaxy or even through many galaxy's harvesting resources and fuel (perhaps Hydrogen from gas giants) as needed, they may sometimes become predator civilizations and opportunists, they hear a radio signal coming from an industrialising primitive world and then head for it to take it's resources, refined metals and even potentially harvest it for hydrocarbon resources including it's life, it they do the latter though you would expect them to use robotic army's to do this as the life on such a world would pose a clear danger of biological contamination to there own life system.

Big ship's for a space faring civilization therefore - especially if they did not have faster than light travel - would be the norm not the exception, space is huge though so the likelihood of them visiting us unless they are one of the bad kind and hear our radio signal then think of it like a dinner bell for there civilization is remote at best.

On a side note I am religious and believe in God as well but even if I did not there is the possibility that other civilizations may have learned to protect younger civilization's like ours as part of a cooperative of planetary civilizations to protect themselves from such predator civilizations and so we may have protection we do not even know about, some of there ship's could also be huge if that were the case though I believe the earth is an off limit's planet.

a reply to: putnam6

Wasn't there some footage of what looked like a large mass/body "harvesting" material from the sun? Is that what you are thinking of or was there something else?


I guess the main question is when will the jig be up where TPTB can't hide this stuff any longer and we finally learn the truth.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: HawkEyi

I remember ones supposedly near the sun, but it just makes you wonder all this time the thought was disclosure would be slowly very slowly rolled out.

after 2020 though Im sure most will believe anything is possible now...

That would be creepy, to know that large celestial bodies are operating withing our Solar System, some sort of mineral, Resource collector of basical raw material.

...that or they're massive organisms, like Jelly Fish, floating among space until they come across a nice juicy world like ours....

I hear you, it's pretty crazy to think all life is bound to our oxygen, calories, H2O that most earth inhabitants require.

a reply to: putnam6

Pretty cool story, thanks. S&F

originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: putnam6

Would an object of that size and mass affect planetary orbits?

In the case of my ex wife, no..

Very cool old-school ATS OP right here!

This is splendid and exciting!

Hooray for weird stuff and odd occurrences!

originally posted by: Gothmog
Is this one of them Rorschach tests ?
I see an orange blob that resembles what would happen if someone developed a nosebleed over a grainy photo .

Or someone spilled 'Tang'

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Gothmog
Is this one of them Rorschach tests ?
I see an orange blob that resembles what would happen if someone developed a nosebleed over a grainy photo .

Or someone spilled 'Tang'

I remember that stuff.

a reply to: kwakakev

Havent seen that site in a long time, thanks for reminding me about it.

a reply to: putnam6

Not the super massive spaceships again... oh dear...

a reply to: putnam6

What makes you think they are vehicles?

is it just because the article writer says it?