Approaching the Magic Hour...

I’d ask satan, satan don’t give a # and would probably enjoy the despair the truth would bring. Probably a lot more direct then interpreted coin tosses and internet queries too.

Nah....Morning Star don't know...only Aglah knows, Adonai...the big Kahuna.....You would just get a nice juicy lie and a dose of despair. He #ing hates us. a reply to: Brotherman

a reply to: AfterTheGoldRush

Not sure why you think this refers to the date of Armageddon question - it's a matter of personal timing, nothing to do with the day or hour which no man knows.

As to whether I'm a good Christian, I think that's between me & God.

a reply to: olaru12

Again, this is a matter of perspective, and an understanding of the form of divination which WAS acceptable to God, which is the Urrim & Thummim, which was a yes/no providence thing, which God would answer when serious questions requiring a yes/no answer were required as a matter of urgency.

From my perspective, the questions which I asked - one of which referred to the personal element of timing as it pertained to a situation currently evident to me through a combination of dreams, visions & world circumstances - were perfectly valid, required a yes/no answer, and following prayerful reflection, I felt it was appropriate to undertake an urrim/thummim 'ritual'.

I think people are hung up on the use of that word, as though a ritual must be something complex, as though it must be in line with a certain type of magical practice, for it to be called a ritual. As I said in one of my previous replies, it is evident from the OP that I am using a definition of 'magic' which is less constrained than that which every denunciation in this thread is concerned with. I have specifically referred to the acts of God which are commonly called 'miracles' as a form of magic in which God is in control of the practical aspects of that magic, in which it is not necessary for the person who is facilitating that magic through prayer to be concerned with the practicalities which would otherwise lead to the same result, if it were even possible for human magical action to produce the same result. So in the OP I made it clear that I was stretching the definitions beyond the typical. And the only reason I even did that, was because I read on a separate thread that a certain magical practitioner considered certain ministers of miraculous events to have been wizards/warlocks, who basically had God do the heavy lifting for them. So this whole understanding of the stretched definition of 'magic', and 'ritual' actually came from the statements of a traditional magical practitioner, not from a Christian.

I was simply riding the metaphor to demonstrate the point that we are approaching a time in which magic will become commonplace, because people will call on the name of the LORD in order to resolve intractable problems, and God will answer with miraculous events which are basically nothing short of the magic we would once have had access to - as a practice by occult arts which we would have naturally intuited, rather than by proxy prayer/supplication - if the world had not been subject to the Fall, which screwed things up forevermore.

So can everyone please stop railing on the thread? I had hoped that my meaning would have been clear from the way I set up the main premise of the OP, but I won't apologise simply because that wasn't the case for these precious magical practitioners who want to demonstrate their superior wisdom. Practising magic in the manner they are intent on so doing, is not okay, for the reasons I have already expressed here & elsewhere. Plus it's dangerous game, and you never quite know the harm you're doing, to yourself or others.

Just because a person can learn how to make a dirty bomb (and this metaphor is perfect, if you will understand it), doesn't mean they should.

a reply to: AfterTheGoldRush

Do you not realise that the Urrim & Thummim was the exact equivalent of tossing a coin..?

Do you understand why it was permitted? Because it depended nothing on human effort, and everything upon the providential action of God, seeking that God would take the action which no other entity in all of Creation could take, in order to respond to the question which had been asked of Him.

Sure, it wasn't permitted as a regular practice, but when a binary yes/no was required, enter Urrim & Thummim. Only God could take the necessary action to assure the correct answer would result from the divination (yes, it was divination), and it was only permitted when grave stakes were in play, when the answer could mean the difference between supreme success or supreme failure for the nation of Israel.

You seem to want to deride my understanding & exalt your own understanding, and indeed to enlarge the perception of your superior understanding in the eyes of others who are watching the thread develop. That is a dangerous game.

Play to the end puppy.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I was simply riding the metaphor to demonstrate the point that we are approaching a time in which magic will become commonplace, because people will call on the name of the LORD in order to resolve intractable problems, and God will answer with miraculous events which are basically nothing short of the magic we would once have had access to - as a practice by occult arts which we would have naturally intuited, rather than by proxy prayer/supplication - if the world had not been subject to the Fall, which screwed things up forevermore.

Thanks for trying to clear that up, but help us to understand more.

Are you saying that we're going to return to a time where we see God enact events such as were shown before the Pharaoh in Egypt during the Exodus?

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

He can't do random stuff or accidents.

a reply to: Deetermined

If you put frogs in a 40 degree creek it's not an assault, you're just a hack.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

He better cut my head off this time it what's faith with no promise.

Yeah...still isn't divination, honeycakes. But you go ahead. A computer binary 0 1 generator is not going to give you the keys to anything. Its chance, not divination, but you keep playing with your 'allowed' tools, which are not tools at all, and keep on trying to predict that which you are told only G-d knows....a reply to: FlyInTheOintment