Jesus just a normal human.

Was Jesus any diffrent really from you and me? Well the only thing I think was diffrent is his mind. Let me explain my thoery. We only use 20% of our brain so what is the rest used for? Simple these 'gifted' people the only reason they are gifted is because they can use more of their brain than most. So Jesus was one of these gifted people able to use even more of his brain than anyone else.

The healing that he did, well I am one of these 'gifted' people I am able to heal pain by energy work of course I am not able to heal a broken leg or such just remove the pain, now if Jesus could use more of his brain this simple ability could become huge ability, and he could preform miricales.

Now the walking on the water, well there are people in this world that are able to lift things with their minds, telekenisis. So if this was maximised then why couldnt Jesus be able to move himself? So in essence he levitated across the water.

What about the water into wine and the fish and bread into many. It is a thing called hypnosis, the mind can be tricked into beleiving you are drinking wine when it is water or eating bread when it is air.

The final thing his reserection. Is it not possible that the disples were persifically chosen because they could see dead people so to speak. so when Jesus died they saw his ghost not his body. Considering what he ment to so many in those times one of two things could have happened to his body. It could have been stolen by either a Jesus worshipper or hater. Or because of the significants of him it could have been secretly buried by the government somewhere else, it would not be the first time something like this has happened.

So what are your thoughts on this?

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He was human, but I dont think he was normal; The was pretty unique.

How about rising someone from death back to life without modern technologies? How about the removal of leprocy? Turning water into wine, creating food for the masses, all many things claimed to have been done. I hope you are using your gift of healing to help people. Otherwise it would be a wasted talent.

Its a myth that we only use 20% percent or more often cited 10% percent of our brain. We use 100% of our brains, I cant count the number of times that this myth has been cited.

The concept of Jesus perhaps having telekinetic or psychic ablities is not new and is quite interesting IMHO. Though there is little if no evidence to back up such a claim everthing is pure speculation.

If we had rock solid evidence that such ablities where indeed real it would add much to the theory.

Another theory I hear often is that Jesus was perhaps a Alien / human hybrid and that is the origin of his ablities.

Of course Jesus was human but he didnt walk on water or do other impossible things I think he was more then unique closer to greatness.
The sad thing is that after the death of jesus people used his name to suit there adgendas and in the name of that fictional character known as god.

Originally posted by infinite8
How about rising someone from death back to life without modern technologies? How about the removal of leprocy? Turning water into wine, creating food for the masses, all many things claimed to have been done. I hope you are using your gift of healing to help people. Otherwise it would be a wasted talent.

There are lots of people that can do similar types of unexplainable things. I have had dreams that, unknown to me at the time, were detailed, exact pictures of future moments in my life. I've only had around ten my whole life, but they were vivid, and correct down to the last detail. Others can speak with the dead. Some even do levitate themselves and/or others.
So, just cuz he had these abilities doesn't make Him God.
Regarding the empty tomb. Wednesday night to Friday night is at the most 2 days, and there are records of crucifixion victims living many times that long, so he may have been alive when taken down, possibly knocked out by the sop, and then nursed back to life by the disciples. To me, that is a more likely reason for the accounts of him
Expert: A worn-out, used-up drip under pressure. Its a good thing God has a sense of humour. Or at least i hope he does or I'm in deep doodoo.

Think about it this way, what do you consider to be "normal?"

Well for me normal is a matter of appreciation, vitality, having your senses, being a social individual in the greatest way possible. Abnormal on the other hand is possibly explained by what most people do in their day to day lives as the general "neurotic," the quiet desperation of people frustrated by their social structure. Abnormal is basically what most people consider to be normal, a kind of substandard art of living generally, a happy medium of basic mediocrity interspaced by few moments of the extraordinary.

So if you raise the bar on what is "normal," I have to agree, that the sweetness, the light, and even the forcefulness of the Jesus personality is what people should be. The standardized drama, and expecting to imitate everything Jesus went through, is to ignore the fact that he lived in a different time with different people, different dramas and so forth. You might ask what would Jesus do in his "normal," personality today?

In what ways would the divine reveal itself, and each gender in today's world? I think it goes to what the word "Christian," actually means. It is defined as "little Christ," how Christians are supposed to act in each generation. Over the years there are far too many examples of the substandard masquerading as "normal," or attempts to imitate the extraordinary personality of Jesus. He is in some notion an idealized self, within what we know of how he lived in his day and age. I would say that the elites in the story reveal themselves as even more "substandard," and "neurotic," and even psychotic in that story. It seemed that people," of his day, even the poor, carried far less excess baggage, and were ready to become, you guessed it, normal. Perhaps some of the poor were too busy imitating the psychosis of the elite, but ready to become the normal people they actually were.

Well if Jesus was largely "normal," I would say that most of us would have to aspire to more of that kind of normal, and to find his art of living. Otherwise it is just too much of a waste of time, you know going through this existence.

There are many who despise normalcy however, and would disagree with this, prefering their above psychological profiles to a smooth juggernaut of normality.

Look at this way, if Jesus was alive today, saying the things he said, he would be labeled a Terrorist and shot by a hellfire missile by Israel.

So was he normal? Yeah, sure was, a normal pissed off at the corrupt system guy like anyone else.
Normal as any other cult leader who says "I am the way and the light"
Normal as any other freak who says he can heal people.
Normal as anyone whose ego is blown out of proportion by followers.

I've known dozens of people like JC.
I even have an undoctored photo of my brother apprently walking on water, amazing!!


Since it was just easter, imagine this scenario. Some famous guy dies, rather is executed by the state. And three days later, he walks out of the morgue. What are people going to do? Call it a miracle? Or scream "holy dawn of the m'n'f'n dead, shoot man, shoot it in the head!!!"?

Originally posted by Legalizer
Look at this way, if Jesus was alive today, saying the things he said, he would be labeled a Terrorist and shot by a hellfire missile by Israel.
So was he normal? Yeah, sure was, a normal pissed off at the corrupt system guy like anyone else.
Normal as any other cult leader who says "I am the way and the light"
Normal as any other freak who says he can heal people.
Normal as anyone whose ego is blown out of proportion by followers.
I've known dozens of people like JC.
I even have an undoctored photo of my brother apprently walking on water, amazing!!
Since it was just easter, imagine this scenario. Some famous guy dies, rather is executed by the state. And three days later, he walks out of the morgue. What are people going to do? Call it a miracle? Or scream "holy dawn of the m'n'f'n dead, shoot man, shoot it in the head!!!"?

I disagree that he was egotistical. He certainly was never quoted spewing such aggressive words as yours. He taught selflessness, and led by example, if indeed he was a real person, and his words have reached us uneditted. Nazorean Rabbi Yeshua Ben Joseph, son of Master of the Craft Joseph of Arimathea, and husband of Mary Magdalene, is one historical character that I admire. It is my view that if we all tried to be more like him, and less insulting, skeptical, critical, and mocking, this planet wouldn't be on the death spiral that it is on now.
but we baked our cake and now we get to sleep in it. The end of the Kali Yuga is at hand, put on your seatbelts, we may experience some turbulence.

No he wasn't! While I may not believe he was the son of a god....he most certainly was not normal....and I don't think anyone else "really" thinks that either. for one, and just for "one" what other "normal" person do you know of that has hung around for people to type about, fight about, and kill for, for 2,000 years?

If Jesus where a normal Human being I would more respect for Christianity full stop.

The idea that a "Normal" Man fought and sacrificed himself for what he truely believed in is a much better role model for humanity then any "Son of God" theory that a few people in the world choose to believe

But of course if Jesus was a mere mortal the Church would be advocating the idea that individuals can make a difference in the world and you don't have to be a "Sheep" or part of a "flock"....Give people ideas such as that the system of social control practiced by the leaders of Christianity since year Zero would have broken down in a heart beat.

Alas, they made Jesus into a perfect Supernatural thus seperating him from the rest of the great unwashed....namley, us!!

BlackGuardXIII - Prehaps, however I believe we can although we werent born with all his abiltys we can train our minds to do the same as him. our only problem is a thing called time.

infinite8 - If you read carefully I have explained all of that, I wont argue he was gifted, but keep in mind we are talking about a man who they had to vote 200 years later wether he was the missiah or not. I will only use my abilties for the good of others, I was born with this as a natural abilty and will try increase it and mabee one day I will be able to heal leprocy.

ShadowXIX - There is scientific evidence that we only use 20% of our brain functions, which 15% is used for physical self (i.e. pump heart, breath, move limb, ect) so 5% is used for thought and dreams, ect. What is the other 80% used for. They have done experiments which show that people with 'gifts' use more of their brain. It may not be a new theory however there is about just as much evidence to him useing telekenisis and so forth as there is to him being a missah. That alien theory is silly (no offence) I mean I am able to heal slighty, and I am not an alien nor a missah.

LadyV - Cleopatra, Julias Ceaser, Alexandra the Great need I go on?

He was of course not normal in the sense he was born with more use of his brain however I think the real question here is not if he was normal or not it is if he was a missah The Son of God, or was the Bible because it states we are all the sons and daughters of God prehaps talking about one indvidual who brought the word of God to life?

It is argueable on weather he was human or a missah and so forth but one thing no one can argue is he was great and did wonderful things like bringing people together in a union of love. Trying to teach people to live in peace.


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Originally posted by LadyV
No he wasn't! While I may not believe he was the son of a god....he most certainly was not normal....and I don't think anyone else "really" thinks that either.

for one, and just for "one" what other "normal" person do you know of that has hung around for people to type about, fight about, and kill for, for 2,000 years?

Peter and Paul? I mean, that is who they have really been following. Paul for the most part, and his successors, who carried on his ministry. Sure, they swear that it is all about the lamb of God, but if so....then why all the fighting and killing for 2 000 years? How does celebrating his birthday relate to his message? I am certain that if the plan for the last 2 000 years was really to emulate him, and aspire to be as much like him as we were able, there wouldn't be such a miniscule number of us that appear to have had some success. Mother Teresa stands out in my mind.
No, we have fallen for the bait, bought into the fairytale, and totally gone 180 degrees opposite of the message he left.If we are about to be marked by some supreme entity, on how well we took care of things wihile they were gone.............What do you think?
Did we study enough? It's the morning of the test, we are sitting in the desk, waiting for the tests to be handed out. It has been 13 000 years or so since the last big exam.

I sure hope that I am spouting a bunch of totally irrelevant gibberish, cuz there is no exam, but we may face a parallel type of fate. We haven't tended the garden so well, and just a couple bad years with no harvests, and sparks will fly. We could make up the loss with fish and game...oh wait, nope.
That is the real test. Letting 50 000 kds a day die needlessly, that gets an F minus in my textbook.

there is the possibility that many of his "miracles" were not miracles at all
but allegorical stories who's meanings were muddled up by writers who were not present or alive at the time of the occurance. Also the possibality that
allegory and reality was confused in oral communication over 70 -80 years.

Again much that is related in the gospels is based on the teachings of Paul,
and Paul by his own admission never knew Jesus. Only a vision after he fell off
his horse or donkey.

Jesus normal? would depend on the definition of " Normal". I no not believe he
was "normal" in the most common sense of the word.

Normal is relative, It depends on who your relatives are.

Originally posted by moonbeam13


ShadowXIX - There is scientific evidence that we only use 20% of our brain functions, which 15% is used for physical self (i.e. pump heart, breath, move limb, ect) so 5% is used for thought and dreams, ect. What is the other 80% used for.


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Can you link to some information that we only use 20% of Our brain. I have found countless scientific information that proves other wise.

Brain imaging research techniques such as PET scans (positron emission tomography) and fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) clearly show that the vast majority of the brain does not lie unused. Although certain minor functions may use only a small part of the brain at one time, any sufficiently complex set of activities or thought patterns will indeed use many parts of the brain. You use all of your brain just not at the same time. But over the course of a small part of the day you would have used all of your brain.

There is no 80% or 90% unused part of the brain. Animals, humans included, have brains only as large as they require. Evolution is very clear if you dont use something you lose it.

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Originally posted by moonbeam13

LadyV - Cleopatra, Julias Ceaser, Alexandra the Great need I go on?

Hu!? I must be stupid...I have no idea what you mean? All of the above you mention, were not "normal" either.......what is your point as I am missing it.

Originally posted by moonbeam13
Was Jesus any diffrent really from you and me? Well the only thing I think was diffrent is his mind. Let me explain my thoery. We only use 20% of our brain so what is the rest used for?

Nope, we don't use only 20% of our brains. We use 100% of our brains all the time. The concept of using only 20% of our brain is so ...last century. The 20% is the stuff we have mapped so far, but it has been proven, by studying accidents, that unmapped regions of the brain (i.e. regions that we don't know what they are for), play a role in a person's behaviour.

JC wasn't egotistical?

77 "Split a piece of wood, and I am there "Lift up the stone and there you will find me
The Gospel of Thomas

Split wood and you will find worms and insects, lift a stone you will find worms, bugs and snakes.

MAtthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

As for other men being talked about for over 2,000 years, there is the Buddha (560+ years before Jesus), there is Mohamed(570 AD), there is Moses(1170BC)...dont' forget the great fake Adam and Eve. Oh and "the devil" all still very much discussed.

I'm sure many more people would still be discussed if the libraries had not been burned and knowledge wasn't hoarded and kept from humanity by religious zealots.

Originally posted by Legalizer
JC wasn't egotistical?

77 "Split a piece of wood, and I am there "Lift up the stone and there you will find me
The Gospel of Thomas

Egotistical!? Your kidding right!? I'm a Wiccan, I am most certainly not Christian, but I am a very fair person.... I also know what they were talking about, if you believe in the whole thing....was "spirit" silly....you simply are not understanding......your comprehension on this is not correct. The gist of it is that the spirit of self/Christ/heaven is in all things, all of nature, which also coincides a bit with Wiccan belief. Go figure...LOL

Originally posted by moonbeam13
Was Jesus any diffrent really from you and me? Well the only thing I think was diffrent is his mind. Let me explain my thoery. We only use 20% of our brain so what is the rest used for? Simple these 'gifted' people the only reason they are gifted is because they can use more of their brain than most. So Jesus was one of these gifted people able to use even more of his brain than anyone else.

The healing that he did, well I am one of these 'gifted' people I am able to heal pain by energy work of course I am not able to heal a broken leg or such just remove the pain, now if Jesus could use more of his brain this simple ability could become huge ability, and he could preform miricales.

Now the walking on the water, well there are people in this world that are able to lift things with their minds, telekenisis. So if this was maximised then why couldnt Jesus be able to move himself? So in essence he levitated across the water.

What about the water into wine and the fish and bread into many. It is a thing called hypnosis, the mind can be tricked into beleiving you are drinking wine when it is water or eating bread when it is air.

The final thing his reserection. Is it not possible that the disples were persifically chosen because they could see dead people so to speak. so when Jesus died they saw his ghost not his body. Considering what he ment to so many in those times one of two things could have happened to his body. It could have been stolen by either a Jesus worshipper or hater. Or because of the significants of him it could have been secretly buried by the government somewhere else, it would not be the first time something like this has happened.

So what are your thoughts on this?

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Honestly my thoughts are you don't read a lot... or your don't read enough to understand what you're reading..

Thomas put his hands into Jesus' wounds..
second.. other texts describe him as a flesh being only it also says he was "different" looking .. (I suppose so since he wouldn't be battered and flesh torn) except for the stigmata (hands, feet, side)

and secondly.. you're correct about one thing, there is nothing different from yourself or him or I for that matter except for his mind/spirit (light.)

and he chose his disciples according to the way he wanted his story told, from the perspectives he desired.