Would you have killed Hitler if you had the chance? Old Testament Ethics

originally posted by: LABTECH767

What the truth of any of that is though, in all likelihood he was just another maniac and had he not been the one to end up charge some others in that nasty movement may have taken his place

Totally spot on Labtech there was always going to be another Hitler type person in that era running the show. Not saying it was going to be in Germany itself, could have been in Poland, maybe Russia who knows even France or Britain. Too much going on back then. Industrial revolution with all the movement of peoples from village to cities, then forced movement of peoples due to nationalism following the 1st WW and the drawing up of so called national states, while at the same time not giving Europe's Jewish community their own state while others were granted theirs, then new political systems emerging like the Soviet experiment and all the other movements following the end of Empires in central and eastern Europe. Throw in Versailles and its admittedly brutal treatment of the Germans and you have the perfect mix for it all kicking off in central Europe. Hitler alive or assassinated, it was all going tits up in that location one way or another

The question: “would you kill Hitler if you could?” implies possession of a time machine. What if that time machine was only able to make one return trip to the past? Let’s say you found the child Adolf chopping firewood for his mum in his backyard and you terminate him with “extreme prejudice” and then return to 2021? You step out of your time machine which immediately evaporates as it was only built for one trip. As you look around you, everything has been miraculously transformed. Huh! You say, one bad apple really does spoil the whole barrel! And so you skip off into the psychedelic sunset.

But really though, this hypothetical question sounds like an interrogation question from a Mossad operative to a double agent under the influence of Sodium Pentothal. The operative is well aware that the agent’s answer tells everything about his own personal values and nothing about Adolf Hitler.

This hypothesis would make a very interesting challenge for the short story section - If you could change one important part of history by rubbing out one person, who would it be? By answering this truthfully ATS would probably not require an introductions forum.

How about: If you wanted Germany to win the 2nd world war and you could make one trip into the past and you chose the 1930s, what would you tell Hitler about the future you came from? What would you tell him so that he would not make the mistakes that caused Germany to lose the war? Naturally he would be stubborn. You would need to have brought some documentary proof with you. I think imagery of the Russian soldiers hunting and gang raping the women of Berlin. Historical evidence of the fall of the Third Reich. It would be difficult. Seeing all the evidence would he become a hippy, take Albert Hofman's "problem child" and become a beacon of light for the world?

a reply to: ketsuko

Um no it would not make one a idiot. why? because altering the timeline could very well erase you yourself from the timeline.Certain events HAVE TO HAPPEN and are set. God called many home during the WW's,and tinkering with it would throw Gods plans into chaos.

If we have a closed timeline, it doesn't matter.

Go back in time, kill Hitler, come back to present, nothing changes.

If our timeline is more open, No.
You don't mess with time. Something worse could happen. You stop the planes on 9/11, instead a nuke goes off.

Here's a thought experiment to put this thought experiment into perspective.

You love music. You know all the hits.
Would you go back in time before all this music came out and produce it yourself, thereby making yourself the richest and greatest musician of all time? Or would you be better off making new music, today that is going to be tomorrows hit?

From a personal growth and faith point of view, there's no better time than the present.

Watch Homer figure it out.
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If it hadn't been Hitler, it would have been someone else -
Circumstances in the early 1900's set up Europe for the problems that resulted in WW II, things started spiraling out of control and there were any number of men who could have, and would have, stepped into his position.
My dad lived through those days in Poland, and events were whirling for years before WW II.

a reply to: cooperton

Absoluteoy not. Without the rise of Hitler and the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis, I don't believe the world stands a chance of stopping Klaus Schwab and his ilk from their diabolical plans.

My hope is that there are enough people who don't want what they did repeated - except this time with the backing of most of the world's money and political power.

It would be impossible to know what actions a person will take before they have already taken them.

a reply to: cooperton

I feel like if you did, history would still happen just slightly different. Someone else would become what Hitler was. It would all still happen. Satan is the ruler of this physical world. God will reclaim it soon.

I believe a Hitler type person WILL come along again at some point in the future, it's unavoidable - just like that virus. A virus / flu cropped up in 1918 for 2 years, 100 years later we have our battle with it, and doubtless something similar will appear years from now. The world population is soaring, tensions build, overcrowding creates discontent, poverty looms, and then tolerance goes out the window and hatred increases. Which allows a Hitler / Stalin type of person to come into power. Why worry about the past, when we should be worrying about the future.

What happened was terrible, but it had to happen to provide a moral gate-post to never go back through.

Sounds bad, but it's true.

Id be less concerned about another Hitler as much as the circumstances that allowed such atrocities to take place. It’s intellectually lazy to simply blame one man.

a reply to: RonnieJersey

originally posted by: gspat
What happened was terrible, but it had to happen to provide a moral gate-post to never go back through.

Sounds bad, but it's true.

No, it's not. It's a weak effort to rationalize genocide.

a reply to: Skepticape

I didn't blame just one man, if you notice - I said that if it wasn't Hitler, there were many others who would have taken his position, and Stalin was even worse than Hitler.

My earlier post:

"If it hadn't been Hitler, it would have been someone else -
Circumstances in the early 1900's set up Europe for the problems that resulted in WW II, things started spiraling out of control and there were any number of men who could have, and would have, stepped into his position.
My dad lived through those days in Poland, and events were whirling for years before WW II."

Too late to change the past, but examining it may help the future. I would be VERY concerned about another Hitler coming into power.

a reply to: ketsuko

At the time there were a few people who felt it is their chance to kill hitler...but failed. Failed because I think there is a force that protected hitler so he could fullfill his destiny.. Or maybe with other words...complete the agenda. Whos agenda you can ask... Gods agenda maybe? There were many many attempt on hitlers life...and I mean so many that you can really ask yourself how it is possible he could escape death again and again. He himself considered his luck a gift from the devine and strengthened his belief in what he was doing. Hitler tried to keep his travel agenda secret and change his route or means of traveling last minute...thats why maybe many attempt failed. But...to return to your question.. would I kill hitler given the chance? Yes I would but on the other hand I believe the attempt will be doomed to fail. I stringly believe that some people will complete their "mission" in life. Good or bad...and will be protected somehow until its completed and its their time..

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
a reply to: Skepticape

I didn't blame just one man, if you notice - I said that if it wasn't Hitler, there were many others who would have taken his position, and Stalin was even worse than Hitler.

My earlier post:

"If it hadn't been Hitler, it would have been someone else -
Circumstances in the early 1900's set up Europe for the problems that resulted in WW II, things started spiraling out of control and there were any number of men who could have, and would have, stepped into his position.
My dad lived through those days in Poland, and events were whirling for years before WW II."

Too late to change the past, but examining it may help the future. I would be VERY concerned about another Hitler coming into power.

Okay but that doesn't align with the cosmic agenda premise as OP described. You're talking about socioeconomic momentum, not a pre ordained trajectory with a fixed conclusion written before Hitler was born.

Anyone who tries to improve on Hitler's formula will quickly suffer, because countries around the globe are willing to strike back if a war mongering racist tyrant attempts to expand their borders and usurp territories that are protected by organized leadership. It only takes one tragedy to create a counter offense that doesn't forget the price of cowardice and sloth.

That's the meaning behind the words "never again". It's not a euphemism, it's a promise.

LOL - you people can all go argue with each other! Picking on others' perspectives is elementary school stuff for bullies.

It's laughable and stupid.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
a reply to: Skepticape

I didn't blame just one man, if you notice - I said that if it wasn't Hitler, there were many others who would have taken his position, and Stalin was even worse than Hitler.

My earlier post:

"If it hadn't been Hitler, it would have been someone else -
Circumstances in the early 1900's set up Europe for the problems that resulted in WW II, things started spiraling out of control and there were any number of men who could have, and would have, stepped into his position.
My dad lived through those days in Poland, and events were whirling for years before WW II."

Too late to change the past, but examining it may help the future. I would be VERY concerned about another Hitler coming into power.

Anyone who tries to improve on Hitler's formula will quickly suffer, because countries around the globe are willing to strike back if a war mongering racist tyrant attempts to expand their borders and usurp territories that are protected by organized leadership. It only takes one tragedy to create a counter offense that doesn't forget the price of cowardice and sloth.

That's the meaning behind the words "never again". It's not a euphemism, it's a promise.

and yet with what you said, no one is really doing much of anything against China. which is a war mongering, racist, tyranny. one that is and has been attempting yo expand their borders (in almost all directions, against almost every country in their part of the world), and usurp territories that are protected by organized leadership.

it seems pretty much everyone has completely forgotten about "never again".

He did hate and had Communists killed, too.

Just saying.

Religion is just a misinterpretation of spiritual truth. Spirituality is great. God is real. Once you start putting rules on it... you're screwing up. All religions have truth. So go ahead worship your alien cult of hinduism, christianity, etc...if you like.

So far as Hitler is concerned...He is a saint compared to old testament god. God commits genocide because a few bad apples. Nice lesson for humanity. Hitler sounds like a model old testament christian. But oh no! Now i'll forgive you after i killed probably billions of people. What a crock of crap. Genocide is unforgivable. Nothing that pure and divine would condone genocide. Especially if he is all knowing. I think worshipping Hitler would be more spiritually fullfilling than worshipping the christian god. Hitler killed less.