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Originally posted by WeBDeviL
It's true to an extent.
But it's not government propaganda. It's the media propaganda. Conformism is the key to popularity. The youth (who will be the U.S.'s future leaders, engineers, etc.) Are brainwashed to conform because it is seen as "hip" or "hot" or what have you.
Just a side effect of a free-market economy.
Its easy to see why I'm a Communist...
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Originally posted by WeBDeviL
It's true to an extent.
But it's not government propaganda. It's the media propaganda. Conformism is the key to popularity. The youth (who will be the U.S.'s future leaders, engineers, etc.) Are brainwashed to conform because it is seen as "hip" or "hot" or what have you.
Just a side effect of a free-market economy.
Can't you see that the government is just a tool for big business though?
yeah, a "free"-market economy is a load of hogwash when you think about it - free to do what? Free to invest in a heartless multi-billion dollar company who sees you as nothing more than a figure at the end of a profits report?
Its easy to see why I'm a Communist...
[edit on 8-5-2005 by ghostsoldier]
strange enough how communism never really worked as well as free-markets. if its so great, why are they showing up on homebuilt rafts?
Originally posted by SportyMB
Its easy to see why I'm a Communist...
Just curious man...are you really a communist? or were yo just saying that?
Do you support the communist party?
Originally posted by SportyMB
Hey GS, have you ever been to a communist country? An old soviet country, cuba..something???? Cause the people there think alot different than you. Ive been to quit a few myself.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
FREE, at the expense of those who actually decide to do a god damned thing! im a lazy bastard at heart, but i sure as HELL dont expect someone else to foot my bill!
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
FREE, at the expense of those who actually decide to do a god damned thing! im a lazy bastard at heart, but i sure as HELL dont expect someone else to foot my bill!
With a proper education (not possible under Capitalism) - You wouldn't have an attitude like the one you have presently now...
Because you would have a different motivation - for the betterment of Society - rather than merely working to get a paycheck...
You should read; marxists.org - Man and Socialism in Cuba by; Ernesto Che Guevara
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
touche comrade! resorting to insulting my intellect is what i was waiting for. youve already beat yourself, and shown the egotistical idiocy of your so called 'cause'. time to find a new one there, rebel.
and with my inferior 'capitalist' education, i am "presently now" going to practice my bowel movements.
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
i dont disagree with your 'names and numbers' comment. actually this is a thought of my own. [...] as the saying goes i choose the lesser of the two evils. our society cannot exist presently without money. either you become TOTALLY socialist and abolish money in the extreme, or you retain a FREE market. there is NO inbetween. however, with 99% of the population being so ridiculously materialistic, money is here to stay. until we reach the technological point where no physical labour is nessescary, we MUST err on the side of the "free".
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
yes, i suppose i could be considered right wing, although i dont really wholly agree with the ideals supported within. granted, i have a righteous hate for the pretzel logic of liberalism. its like selling all the lights in your house to pay your electric bill.
Originally posted by Onewingeddemon
This thread would be here even if the US was perfect.
Obviously your a Communist, so you come with an agenda. That agenda would include bashing on the USA, the most powerful Capitalist country in the world.
Yes, people here must work to make a living.
No, the government will not spoon feed you.
Yes, if your willing to work hard, you will achieve success.
No, you don't have to have to work if you don't want to.
Yes, this thread is BS.
The Invisible Laws of Capitalism
The laws of capitalism, invisible and blind for most people, act upon the individual without his awareness. He sees only the broadness of a horizon that appears infinite. Capitalist propaganda presents it in just this way, and attempts to use the Rockefeller case (true or not) as a lesson in the prospects for success. The misery that must be accumulated for such an example to arise and the sum total of baseness contributing to the formation of a fortune of such magnitude do not appear in the picture, and the popular forces are not always able to make these concepts clear. (It would be fitting at this point to study how the works of the imperialist countries gradually lose their international class spirit under the influence of a certain complicity in the exploitation of the dependent countries and how this fact at the same time wears away the militant spirit of the masses within their own national context, but this topic is outside the framework of the present note).
In any case we can see the obstacle course which may apparently be overcome by an individual with the necessary qualities to arrive at the finish line. The reward is glimpsed in the distance and the road is solitary. Furthermore, it is a race of wolves: he who arrives does so only at the expense of the failure of others.
I shall now attempt to define the individual, the actor in this strange and moving drama that is the building of socialism, in his two-fold existence as a unique being and a member of the community.
I believe that the simplest approach is to recognise his un-made quality: he is an unfinished product. The flaws of the past are translated into the present in the individual consciousness and constant efforts must be made to eradicate them. The process is two-fold: on the one hand society acts upon the individual by means of direct and indirect education, while on the other hand, the individual undergoes a conscious phase of self-education.
by Ernesto 'Che' Guevara - excerpt from Man and Socialism in Cuba
Originally posted by Seekerof
Been to North Korea and seen how well socialism is doing there, ghostsoldier?
You think Americans are brainwashed, seems to me that virtually every oppressive socialist regime you can name is "brainwashed."
I notice you keep mentioning poverty stricken Cuba and Venezuela, no mention of North Korea or any other nation that practices socialism?
Why is that?
And why is it that under socialism, the people are poor and poverty stricken?
seekerof
[edit on 10-5-2005 by Seekerof]
Originally posted by Seekerof
[...] You think Americans are brainwashed, seems to me that virtually ever oppressive socialist regime you can name is "brainwashed." I notice you keep mentioning poverty stricken Cuba and Venezuala, no mention of North Korea or any other nation that practices socialism?
Why is that?
And why is it that under socialism, the people are poor and poverty stricken?
Originally posted by Seekerof
Watch these programs tonight on DiscoveryTimesChannel and let me know just who is brainwashed and which system, capitolism or socialism, is most advantageous, k?
Two of the shows are done by freelance journalists [BBC and one independent]. Very informative. Seen the ones on Cuba and Venezuela or China? Good ones, too. Quite informative.