The Fight for Election Integrity Continues -- Audits, Criminal Investigations, Legislative Reform

a reply to: Byrd

Regular Absentee Ballots work right? 🤣

a reply to: Byrd

Fair enough -- to both of your comments.

I think we agree that no system is perfect, and that no system is incorruptible.

Including dropboxes. But for all the reasons you pointed out, I think it's worth at least trying to find a way to make dropboxes work.

I think one good place to start is securing the voter rolls.

a reply to: Byrd

People that can't drive to drop boxes can use mailboxes. It's super easy to vote absentee by mail everywhere that I'm aware of. That's actually how I have voted in the last several elections. I like to be able to take my time and research the choices.

It you are talking about fake voters not being able to vote, that's the point of election integrity. Despite what you may have heard, election integrity is not really about voter suppression, it's about fake and fraudulent voters and votes, and election fraud suppression.

A surprising number of people don't know that you can order stamps online, and have them mailed to you. So there will probably be some people that don't vote because they think they need to make it to the post office to buy stamps.

originally posted by: carewemust


Liberal states are making it EASIER to cheat. But there are only a few of those.

Plus, cheating at an election that your side was already destined to win, seems like a lot of work for nothing.

It allows them to pad the "popular vote" numbers. So there is that.

a reply to: IndieA

People that can't drive to drop boxes can use mailboxes. 

Sometimes, for some people, it's not that simple. We started requesting mail-in ballots because a couple times my husband was sent out of town for work on Monday, and he had to drive back home to vote on Tuesday, and then leave early the next morning to get back to the job by 5 or 6 am. By the time we knew he'd be out of town, it was too late to mail a ballot.

The last election (2020) was the first time we actually voted with the mail-in ballots, which we dropped off to a live person at the polling center.

I'm glad we did, although we've always enjoyed going to vote in person, because our polling place was one of those hit by Sharpiegate. Our ballots were counted, and hopefully correctly. If we'd gone in person I would fully expect it went to adjudication for "curing" and suspect the worst.

ETA: I'm all for multiple ways to vote, but proper precautions and safeguards are absolutely necessary.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: IndieA

Touche -- but this comes with its own risks, and inefficiency, such as last minute efforts when more manufactured votes are needed... so it's not ideal, but every little bit helps!

It is actually a bit more problematic than just inefficiency and logistics...

If they use the mail, each and every ballot that is mailed counts as one act of mail fraud. Mail fraud comes with pretty severe penalties, far more I think than any law against election fraud.

That said, I'm not sure most of the people who will be engaging in the fraud are smart enough to be afraid of the penalties, or even be aware of them.

originally posted by: Byrd
a reply to: IndieA

Actually, if someone can't travel it makes it impossible to vote.

Snipping the rest of the nonsense...

Not at all. Each and every point you made is precisely what absentee ballots are for.

No legitimate voter will be prevented from voting.

Only the cheaters will be impacted.

a reply to: tanstaafl

It is actually a bit more problematic than just inefficiency and logistics...

If they use the mail, each and every ballot that is mailed counts as one act of mail fraud. Mail fraud comes with pretty sever penalties, far more I think than any law against election fraud.

Yes, I think you're right about that.

That said, I'm not sure most of the people who will be engaging in the fraud are smart enough to be afraid of the penalties, or even be aware of them.

Even those who are aware will probably expect to be protected from prosecution by their paymasters... while their paymasters are happy to turn their backs and let them take the fall. "Useful idiots" and all that..

originally posted by: Byrd
a reply to: Boadicea
And we'll return to the days when it took more than a month to count the election results...

More nonsense...

There are lots of places that use paper ballots and have no problem counting the votes on election night.

Any State that does have a problem is due to bad processes. All they need to do is look at those places that have worked through the problems and figured it out.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
A surprising number of people don't know that you can order stamps online, and have them mailed to you. So there will probably be some people that don't vote because they think they need to make it to the post office to buy stamps.

You can't fix stupid.

Or said another way, people who aren't smart enough to figure it out probably shouldn't be voting anyway.

The ARIZONA primary is on August 2nd. MAGA supporters seem to be pleased with what the polls are showing.

Source: gettr.com...

Let's hope the system's integrity and accuracy is operating at a high level.

originally posted by: Boadicea

That said, I'm not sure most of the people who will be engaging in the fraud are smart enough to be afraid of the penalties, or even be aware of them.

Even those who are aware will probably expect to be protected from prosecution by their paymasters... while their paymasters are happy to turn their backs and let them take the fall. "Useful idiots" and all that..

That works so long as they don't know anything. If they know enough to testify, the prosecutor will almost certainly offer them immunity (full or partial) in exchange for their testimony.

Then they have to arrange a "suicide".

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
A surprising number of people don't know that you can order stamps online, and have them mailed to you. So there will probably be some people that don't vote because they think they need to make it to the post office to buy stamps.

You can't fix stupid.

Or said another way, people who aren't smart enough to figure it out probably shouldn't be voting anyway.

The left will probably argue that this preferentially excludes black people from voting.

And then insist that the policy is racist (as opposed to them being racist for thinking it excludes black people....)

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

That works so long as they don't know anything. If they know enough to testify, the prosecutor will almost certainly offer them immunity (full or partial) in exchange for their testimony.

Then they have to arrange a "suicide".

When you put it that way, it really defines the difference between a useful idiot and a useful tool. It's all about how much you know.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
a reply to: tanstaafl
The left will probably argue that this preferentially excludes black people from voting.

And then insist that the policy is racist (as opposed to them being racist for thinking it excludes black people....

But of course...

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

That works so long as they don't know anything. If they know enough to testify, the prosecutor will almost certainly offer them immunity (full or partial) in exchange for their testimony.

Then they have to arrange a "suicide".

When you put it that way, it really defines the difference between a useful idiot and a useful tool. It's all about how much you know.

An example of this is the list of people who were caught deliberately starting fires in 2020 when the wild fires were happening.

www.oregonlive.com...

Most of these guys were

1 - Ex Cons

2 - Old (The youngest mentioned is 39)

3 - Homeless. So they probably were unable to find work after getting out of prison.

Perfect tools. No conscience. Need the money. Police wouldn't believe them even if they gave up their employer.
There was clearly a criteria used to choose them. A fairly consistent one at that.


It would be interesting to work up a profile of the kind of person that would steal data from an election server, but also be able to pass their screening process (if they even have a screening process!)

Then see how many people in the Maricopa County elections who had access to the data, also fit the profile.

Amazing how SO MANY Democrats were doing in 2016-2017-2018-2019-2020, the SAME THING they're now upset with former President Trump for doing.

Democrats declared - Illegitimate Election = Illegitimate President: truthsocial.com...

I have a development to report.

It seems as though I am being dropped as an election worker for asking too many questions.

I received a call today from the Sheriff's office telling me that they had done the wrong background check on me and that my bad conduct discharge from the military, from over 20 years ago, disqualified me from being a polling deputy according to their policy. That they may review and change their policy in the future, and that after I returned my polling deputy card, the Election Supervisor wanted to call and speak to me.

Here's the thing:
I was originally told that they would only do a local background check and that it would be done through the Sheriff's department. I summited the forms several months ago and was notified that I had passed the background check about a month ago and before I was allowed to sign up for my training classes. So, what happened to possibly cause the additional check?

What happened since then? Well, I waited until the "question and answer" part of the new Sheriff's department tour, to ask the Sheriff's department's intelligence center supervisor if they had any involvement with monitoring our election result-transmitting networks, I inquired about our county's election network security and their involvement with the DHS, I spoke with my election supervisor regarding general election practices, integrity, and security, and I informed a bunch of people about that recording of that state department employee talking about being involve in ballots being flown into Arizona from South Korea, after the election, and with the assistance of the national guard. And how, he also spoke about how wealthy people run the country, stole the election, and will stop at nothing destroying and covering up any existing evidence of it. On my last phone call with my Dad, I heard some interesting clicks, btw. Oh, and I had also pointed out to my election supervisor that their voter turnout for the 2020 elections being as high as in the 80 to 90 percent range, might not be such a good thing, and could actually be an indication of ballot stuffing.

My feelings are a little hurt and I feel a little discriminated against. I suspect that I'm not being treated equally, but reading a copy of the Sheriff's department poll-worker policy, if such a thing exist, could put that theory to rest. Otherwise, it's not that big a deal to me, as working the elections requires working 10 to 14 hour days, and it's not like I need the money. I volunteered to gain knowledge, get some experience, and give back to the community via public service. It was nice to take another oath to The Constitution though, that's something I take very seriously.

As far as I know, I am still a New Equipment Inspector and Operator, but I suspect that they will drop me from that position as well. If they do, I may get the benefit of an additional explanation from my election supervisor.

I never did get around to writing more about the ES&S equipment. Since my classes, all my research, investigations, and studies, current national events, and now this, I have become completely discouraged in the state of our elections and election integrity in general. In my opinion, we lost this country to criminals around the same time Americans started supporting unconstitutional wars with countries that had nothing to do with 9-11, and began caring nothing about the government borrowing trillions of dollars to fight these special interest wars.

Information regarding the "securing" of our state ran elections by the federal DHS and partners.

www.oig.dhs.gov...

I'm not finding any policies on poll deputies, locally of federally. I put in a request with the Sheriff office for a copy of their election poll deputy policy.

Of course, I will be back to report further developments that occur.

a reply to: IndieA

That's a damn shame, Indie. Sure not encouraging in the big picture or the small picture. Thanks for letting us know, and sorry you got the short end of the stick. But it seems -- and I hope -- the experience and knowledge you gained was worth your effort.

I have some articles to post but spent my time reading (and re-reading) your post so I'll have to post later.

a reply to: Boadicea

Thank you for the kind words and continued support.

I have gained a lot of knowledge and experience along the way. Although, much of it is discouraging, I rather have an abundance of true information and knowledge, than a lack of it. Even this rejection experience taught me some things. I had already been working on a discharge upgrade case, and this experience helped me better understand some of the dynamics involved, and this information could possibly help others in the same boat as me as well someday. I'll have to see what positive changes I may be able to effect.

I returned my poll deputy credentials today. As far as I know, I am still qualified to be an equipment inspector and operator for our upcoming elections, but I was told that my election supervisor wanted to talk to me about the poll deputy issue, so who knows what might happen. I'll keep you guys posted.

So far, I haven't been able to get a copy of the policy that would disqualify me. I have a feeling that such a written document doesn't exist, as I've already looked pretty hard for it. I received a reply for the Sheriff's office stating that they couldn't give out criminal record information, but that they would speak to me over the phone. Since, that's not what I asked for, I sent a follow-up email asking for a written document, and I mentioned that it could help me with my discharge upgrade case. No reply. I get the PR of having me call them. Emails to government agencies are public record, which is why I prefer to use them to communicate to these people. They serve as transparent public records. Phone calls in Florida may as well be considered private since the law requires all parties involved to consent to the recording of them. This makes documenting phone calls in Florida difficult.