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The current imperative - the need for JUSTICE. We have God on our side folks.
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a reply to: Madrusa
God is typically described as being on the side of individuals, as I'm sure you probably know, it seems you're just looking for a rise with an obvious strawman. We are judged independently of any & all others - men look at the exterior, but God sees the heart. A nation typically is too complicated a construct to have anything other than a general standing brought about by Providence in response to ongoing complexes of actions taken on behalf of the nation as if the nation were interacting with other nations & its own people on a 'meta-personal' level.
State actions can incur blessing or judgement, one at a time - again, as I'm sure you know. We cannot expect to be carried along by one good deed in 1948 on the nation state level.. The nation is a ship being steered by the combined hand of thousands of high level organisers & negotiators, and they probably all should feel a massive weight of responsibility, knowing that the fate of millions of people is in their hands. In the present time, I would suggest that based on state actions, we are not incurring a blessing at the nation state level, because our nation is being influenced & deceived deliberately by people who are wrapped up in global public/private partnerships, most of whom at a high level know that COVID is a scam, a pseudopandemic, and they are deliberately acting like a fifth column to destroy the nation both from within & without. We could go into this further if you like, referring to that free e-book I mentioned - PSEUDOPANDEMIC; available at https:/www.in-this-together.com
I would recommend you read the book before continuing the debate on spiritual culpability, virtues, righteousness & the judgement of nations, as we have a prime example of an exposition of the (pristinely-defined by the author) mechanics setting the current 'perfect storm' COVID crisis in motion, as it specifically relates to (primarily) the UK over the past decade or so, all parts of which gradually build up into the nonsense we're faced with right now. God can only be described as being on the 'side' of a nation with regard to single events involving high level, coordinated choices.
Generally, a movement of people is more likely to be said to have God on their side, because they adhere simply due to affinity between said people on specific points of virtue, righteous conduct & opposition to the actions of unjust, corrupt & tyrannical powers at a high level within & over/above the nation state, as is the case with the legitimate protest movement at the present time ~
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God is typically described as being on the side of individuals, as I'm sure you probably know, it seems you're just looking for a rise with an obvious strawman. We are judged independently of any & all others - men look at the exterior, but God sees the heart. A nation typically is too complicated a construct to have anything other than a general standing brought about by Providence in response to ongoing complexes of actions taken on behalf of the nation as if the nation were interacting with other nations & its own people on a 'meta-personal' level.
State actions can incur blessing or judgement, one at a time - again, as I'm sure you know. We cannot expect to be carried along by one good deed in 1948 on the nation state level.. The nation is a ship being steered by the combined hand of thousands of high level organisers & negotiators, and they probably all should feel a massive weight of responsibility, knowing that the fate of millions of people is in their hands. In the present time, I would suggest that based on state actions, we are not incurring a blessing at the nation state level, because our nation is being influenced & deceived deliberately by people who are wrapped up in global public/private partnerships, most of whom at a high level know that COVID is a scam, a pseudopandemic, and they are deliberately acting like a fifth column to destroy the nation both from within & without. We could go into this further if you like, referring to that free e-book I mentioned - PSEUDOPANDEMIC; available at https:/www.in-this-together.com
I would recommend you read the book before continuing the debate on spiritual culpability, virtues, righteousness & the judgement of nations, as we have a prime example of an exposition of the (pristinely-defined by the author) mechanics setting the current 'perfect storm' COVID crisis in motion, as it specifically relates to (primarily) the UK over the past decade or so, all parts of which gradually build up into the nonsense we're faced with right now. God can only be described as being on the 'side' of a nation with regard to single events involving high level, coordinated choices.
Generally, a movement of people is more likely to be said to have God on their side, because they adhere simply due to affinity between said people on specific points of virtue, righteous conduct & opposition to the actions of unjust, corrupt & tyrannical powers at a high level within & over/above the nation state, as is the case with the legitimate protest movement at the present time ~
Join with 890,000+ 'concerned citizens' & 50,000+ 'concerned professionals' – sign the GB Declaration
edit on OctoberFriday21110CDT05America/Chicago-050057 by FlyInTheOintment because: link
The threads are being hijacked again.
I am not able to few my posts.
This happened before. It looks like someone is trying to create havoc on this site.
I am not able to few my posts.
This happened before. It looks like someone is trying to create havoc on this site.
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
Not sure what is going on.
LOL.
Sometimes, I guess we get too close to someone's "Nerve". lol
jjust aaaaaaaaaa glitch, nn oothing to s e here, move along lol
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
The individual guidance in the Old Testament is intended for Israelites, that in the New Testament for the House of Israel, of course Saint Paul extends that to the Gentiles but that's controversial as to whether intended. My point is that a God of Israel was only ever intended to serve that tribal interest in terms of what they were for and what they were against, and that was as a collective against all other peoples, religions and cultures, the positive aspects are towards maintaining that collective.
I think you were correct in the principles you would like to invoke and appreciate your sentiments but that would be in direct opposition to the interest of Zionists, so doing so in the name of their God is irrational and won't work. There are after all a Billion or so Christians and collectively they do nothing, because their leadership has no interest in doing so and are part of the problem not any sort of solution.
You confuse the Divine singularity with the God of Israel which is only a minor aspect and not a good one, the negative aspect of Mars Morning star served with a Lunar side dish, that's an angry jealous and destructive God with expansionist ambitions, it was never that there aren't other Gods he just hates them, as one might expect.
You have to factor in that the vast majority of the British people are totally disillusioned with the tried and failed, so i simply suggest resorting to Plan A, British Gods for British people, most of them really enjoy a good fight and Brigantia always wins.
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
But the argument made there by Paul that the God of Israel is the Universal God is no more true than the Romans making the same case for Jupiter with Hercules as his only begotten Son, these are only aspects of the Divine, Israel had nothing comparable to some aspects of Hinduism with regards to Universal principles only the petty tribal with pretentions of grandeur.
The individual guidance in the Old Testament is intended for Israelites, that in the New Testament for the House of Israel, of course Saint Paul extends that to the Gentiles but that's controversial as to whether intended. My point is that a God of Israel was only ever intended to serve that tribal interest in terms of what they were for and what they were against, and that was as a collective against all other peoples, religions and cultures, the positive aspects are towards maintaining that collective.
I think you were correct in the principles you would like to invoke and appreciate your sentiments but that would be in direct opposition to the interest of Zionists, so doing so in the name of their God is irrational and won't work. There are after all a Billion or so Christians and collectively they do nothing, because their leadership has no interest in doing so and are part of the problem not any sort of solution.
You confuse the Divine singularity with the God of Israel which is only a minor aspect and not a good one, the negative aspect of Mars Morning star served with a Lunar side dish, that's an angry jealous and destructive God with expansionist ambitions, it was never that there aren't other Gods he just hates them, as one might expect.
You have to factor in that the vast majority of the British people are totally disillusioned with the tried and failed, so i simply suggest resorting to Plan A, British Gods for British people, most of them really enjoy a good fight and Brigantia always wins.
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
But the argument made there by Paul that the God of Israel is the Universal God is no more true than the Romans making the same case for Jupiter with Hercules as his only begotten Son, these are only aspects of the Divine, Israel had nothing comparable to some aspects of Hinduism with regards to Universal principles only the petty tribal with pretentions of grandeur.
edit on 29-10-2021 by Madrusa because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Madrusa
People have this idea that anything written in the bible is by divine inspiration, and to some degree I agree. This is the problem with the bible. It is not advertised that during this time people were still worshiping the tribal gods, that being the ancient gods, by what ever name they were known by. For myself I have separated those gods from the Original, oldest God, the "Divine Creator". As you pointed out the people had no reference to this because they were raised believing in those gods.
I see the bible as a history book filled with testimonies from, first hand, and second hand witnesses who are retelling what they saw or experienced. Some are actually testifying to a true vision while others are retelling what they were programmed to repeat. Even in the bible we are warned to test these "Spirits". Interrogate.
I believe the New Testament was written to expose the truth of the "Divine Creator", but was infiltrated by those ancient gods to regain a lost reverence, and control. Hence the following.
This, in my opinion, is not a Divine message, and not, Divinely Inspired. Evildoers in those days are the same as today, and that is anyone who dare to disagree with the ruling class, "Royals" who are the direct descendants of those ancient gods, or known as "Demigods". And today the ones who do not agree, are silenced by censure, deletion or, in extreme, murdered. Truth to power can be a dangerous thing.
Paul's mind may have been pointing to one of the tribal gods, but his heart spoke of the Divine Creator, in MHO.
So this is why I say the bible is a misunderstood history book, taken out of its original context..
Again I believe you are correct.
But the argument made there by Paul that the God of Israel is the Universal God is no more true than the Romans making the same case for Jupiter with Hercules as his only begotten Son, these are only aspects of the Divine, Israel had nothing comparable to some aspects of Hinduism with regards to Universal principles only the petty tribal with pretentions of grandeur.
People have this idea that anything written in the bible is by divine inspiration, and to some degree I agree. This is the problem with the bible. It is not advertised that during this time people were still worshiping the tribal gods, that being the ancient gods, by what ever name they were known by. For myself I have separated those gods from the Original, oldest God, the "Divine Creator". As you pointed out the people had no reference to this because they were raised believing in those gods.
I see the bible as a history book filled with testimonies from, first hand, and second hand witnesses who are retelling what they saw or experienced. Some are actually testifying to a true vision while others are retelling what they were programmed to repeat. Even in the bible we are warned to test these "Spirits". Interrogate.
I believe the New Testament was written to expose the truth of the "Divine Creator", but was infiltrated by those ancient gods to regain a lost reverence, and control. Hence the following.
1 Peter 2:13-15 - Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men (NKJV)
This, in my opinion, is not a Divine message, and not, Divinely Inspired. Evildoers in those days are the same as today, and that is anyone who dare to disagree with the ruling class, "Royals" who are the direct descendants of those ancient gods, or known as "Demigods". And today the ones who do not agree, are silenced by censure, deletion or, in extreme, murdered. Truth to power can be a dangerous thing.
Paul's mind may have been pointing to one of the tribal gods, but his heart spoke of the Divine Creator, in MHO.
So this is why I say the bible is a misunderstood history book, taken out of its original context..
originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
The individual guidance in the Old Testament is intended for Israelites
Incorrect. The guidance of the Old Testament is issued for all peoples, for all times since it was given. There are myriad examples - too many to count easily - in which God irectly ordains a prophet to speak actively to this or that nation, many of which were dramatically geographically removed from Israel's territory. Furthermore, God ordained prophets on numerous occasions - again, too many to easily count without the aid of a concordance, and even that would take a significant length of time - in which the prophets were to issue a direct warning, command, rebuke, blessing, or edict for further transmission to others, where the person ordained to receive the ministrations were non-Israelites, from all the far-flung corners of the ancient world.
You also neglect to note the fact that a huge proportion of the Old Testament is written directly as 'apocalyptic literature', a type of prophetic missive which is aimed at targeting the greatest number of people possible, from as many of the affected nations as possible, so that they can read & reflect upon the specifics of the written prophecy, which was uttered from the mouth of God not to benefit the Israelites, but in fact to bring them in line with the universal themes of justice, mercy & humility which are the distillation of the Old Testament message to ALL peoples - the Israelites were the messengers, not the sole intended beneficiaries. They were repeatedly cautioned, counselled, chastised, rebuked, and even faced judgement as a direct result of failing to operate with humility, letting their divine calling go to their heads & inflate the sin of pride.
We can take this a step further & get to the real bones of the matter, by affirming that the Old Testament ably concealed myriad prophetic references to a once & future king, in the order of Melchizedek, who is the divine Son of the Trinity, with Yahweh as the father, and the Shekinah, or Holy Spirit as the feminine principle of the union. People who claim that the Holy Spirit is an exclusively male personality neglect personal knowledge & revelation to millions over the centuries, the soft & gentle, supporting hands of the wondrous presence of God, wholly complete in delivering the awareness of a full & naturally understandable spiritual experience. We won't get into that further here, it's a side issue. However, the point being, that the prophetic literature in the Old Testament which refers directly to the traits of the coming King, & can be retroactively perceived as having relevance to the circumstances of the coming of the Messiah. Notably, it is repeatably emphasised that this coming Messiah will be for the blessing of the whole world, the Gentiles as well as the Jews, when He establishes His church, his vehicle for activity within the new world under His sovereign rule.
And lest we forget, right at the beginning of the Book of Genesis, this was foretold to the founding father of the Israelite nation, Abram of Ur, or as he became known, Abraham - father to Isaac & Jacob. The statement reads as follows:
I will surely bless you, and I will multiply your descendants like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will possess the gates of their enemies. 18And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
Genesis 22: 17-18
that in the New Testament for the House of Israel, of course Saint Paul extends that to the Gentiles but that's controversial as to whether intended.
I think I've ably demonstrated that the Gentiles were always intended to be recipients of the blessings which would be delvered through the vessel of Israel - from Abraham to Jesus, an unbroken line of connectivity, where the God who is supreme over all other created orders of beings, made note of His sovereign power to gift the nations with blessings - by which it is easy to infer (& it can be easily proven if I delve into the relevant quotes - though I think you should take it on authority, because my knowledge on this matter is superior to yours by far, I assure you, and although it wouldn't be intended, the avalanche of evidence for this statement would be simply embarrassing for you). It's not pleasant when people lord it over others & claim superior knowledge, so I am simply pointing this out in advance for your benefit.. And so, the blessings which God was able to promise to other nations - to all nations, in fact - would automatically & consistently entirely overrule any actions or intentions fomented by other powers, no matter how seemingly powerful they were in comparison to mortals.
My point is that a God of Israel was only ever intended to serve that tribal interest in terms of what they were for and what they were against, and that was as a collective against all other peoples, religions and cultures, the positive aspects are towards maintaining that collective.
This is sheer nonsense & can only be derived from your imagination. Of course, as a people, the Jews had a special sense of their collectivism, in light of their unique & remarkable, miraculous history as a nation, and the missions they had been given as imperatives to be fulfilled in return for God's covenant of love & devotion. One of the imperatives was to make war against the descendants of the Nephilim, the offspring of angels & human women in ancient times. That's a whole other topic, but basically almost all of the warring which Israel engaged with occurred within their territory & was rooted on the notion that these Nephilim descendants were equally trying to fulfil an imperative to destroy Israel, and thereby thwart the Creator's plans to bring salvation to Humanity. They also intended this as revenge for God's destruction of the majority of their ancestors.
A second imperative was to literally keep to the terms of God's covenant with them, based upon faithfully adhering to the laws, edicts & customs which were inculcated by God, throughout the Torah. The main rules were simple, and could be counted on ten fingers, so anyone could keep track of what was expected of them, according to the letter of the law. The remainder of the terms of the covenant were administered by the Levitical priestly lineage, who were supposed to maintain Israel in a state of holiness throughout all generations. Another imperative was to remain faithful to the word of the prophets which God would send among them from time to time, and to keep safe the scriptures, wisdom books & prophetic missives which were issued in writing, so that in the due course of time, Israel would be prepared to receive the prophesied Messiah, who would unite the world under His eventual rule of righteousness.
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
It is worth noting that the information in the prophetic scriptures was occluded so that the descendants of the Nephilim, and other enemies of Israel & of God, would not easily be able to interpret what was being promised regarding the Messiah - God was running a combined intelligence/ counterintelligence operation for centuries, issuing guidance to key persons in Israel's history also, so that Israel would be suitably prepared for the arrival of the Messiah, and so that they could look back over the works written concerning Him, and see clearly what God had been doing & saying to the nation, and to individuals, regarding the salvation which was coming.
As noted this status which the Jews possessed by virtue of their belonging to a culture chosen to facilitate such wonderful things, certainly sometimes went to their heads, and even today there are swathes of Jews who do indeed believe themselves to be vastly superior to the Gentile peoples. Because they are amongst the people chosen to bring blessing to the nations, the residual blessings which they enjoy by virtue of adherence to the letter & Spirit of the Law, in terms of their communal & individual accomplishments & endeavours down the generations since the promise to Abraham, have ensured that they are monumentally successful, relative to other people groups, both financially & personally, in myriad ways. This is because even nominal Jews are descendants & thus recipients of the inherited blessings which were promised to their ancestors in the covenant, because as it is written:
It's about a lot more than wishy washy feelings & sentiments, and I hope that my response is elucidating precisely why.
but that would be in direct opposition to the interest of Zionists, so doing so in the name of their God is irrational and won't work. There are after all a Billion or so Christians and collectively they do nothing, because their leadership has no interest in doing so and are part of the problem not any sort of solution.
You confuse the Divine singularity with the God of Israel which is only a minor aspect and not a good one, the negative aspect of Mars Morning star served with a Lunar side dish, that's an angry jealous and destructive God with expansionist ambitions, it was never that there aren't other Gods he just hates them, as one might expect.
You have to factor in that the vast majority of the British people are totally disillusioned with the tried and failed, so i simply suggest resorting to Plan A, British Gods for British people, most of them really enjoy a good fight and Brigantia always wins.
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
But the argument made there by Paul that the God of Israel is the Universal God is no more true than the Romans making the same case for Jupiter with Hercules as his only begotten Son, these are only aspects of the Divine, Israel had nothing comparable to some aspects of Hinduism with regards to Universal principles only the petty tribal with pretentions of grandeur.
It is worth noting that the information in the prophetic scriptures was occluded so that the descendants of the Nephilim, and other enemies of Israel & of God, would not easily be able to interpret what was being promised regarding the Messiah - God was running a combined intelligence/ counterintelligence operation for centuries, issuing guidance to key persons in Israel's history also, so that Israel would be suitably prepared for the arrival of the Messiah, and so that they could look back over the works written concerning Him, and see clearly what God had been doing & saying to the nation, and to individuals, regarding the salvation which was coming.
As noted this status which the Jews possessed by virtue of their belonging to a culture chosen to facilitate such wonderful things, certainly sometimes went to their heads, and even today there are swathes of Jews who do indeed believe themselves to be vastly superior to the Gentile peoples. Because they are amongst the people chosen to bring blessing to the nations, the residual blessings which they enjoy by virtue of adherence to the letter & Spirit of the Law, in terms of their communal & individual accomplishments & endeavours down the generations since the promise to Abraham, have ensured that they are monumentally successful, relative to other people groups, both financially & personally, in myriad ways. This is because even nominal Jews are descendants & thus recipients of the inherited blessings which were promised to their ancestors in the covenant, because as it is written:
Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps His covenant of loving devotion for a thousand generations of those who love Him and keep His commandments.
Deuteronomy 7: 9
I think you were correct in the principles you would like to invoke and appreciate your sentiments
It's about a lot more than wishy washy feelings & sentiments, and I hope that my response is elucidating precisely why.
but that would be in direct opposition to the interest of Zionists, so doing so in the name of their God is irrational and won't work. There are after all a Billion or so Christians and collectively they do nothing, because their leadership has no interest in doing so and are part of the problem not any sort of solution.
You confuse the Divine singularity with the God of Israel which is only a minor aspect and not a good one, the negative aspect of Mars Morning star served with a Lunar side dish, that's an angry jealous and destructive God with expansionist ambitions, it was never that there aren't other Gods he just hates them, as one might expect.
You have to factor in that the vast majority of the British people are totally disillusioned with the tried and failed, so i simply suggest resorting to Plan A, British Gods for British people, most of them really enjoy a good fight and Brigantia always wins.
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
But the argument made there by Paul that the God of Israel is the Universal God is no more true than the Romans making the same case for Jupiter with Hercules as his only begotten Son, these are only aspects of the Divine, Israel had nothing comparable to some aspects of Hinduism with regards to Universal principles only the petty tribal with pretentions of grandeur.
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
NB - I lost a section of very important text here when I accidentally reloaded the page while preparing my response. I will have to make a separate reply to the intervening section of your original response so as to make it thoroughly apparent that yet again, you are speaking absolute rubbish. So bear with me after this post has been made, and I will gladly deconstruct your nonsense once again in order to show that you aren't even engaging in original thought, let alone anything constributing anything constructive or worthwhile for the edification or instruction of the reader. So for the time being, we skip a section & move on to:
God is expressed as being “slow to anger, quick to forgive”, and it is incorrect to assume that God should not ever be angry with a person, or a people group, following on from their abusive actions & deliberate deceptions, obfuscations, manipulations, choices to rob from the poor, failing to support the most needy people in any given society, immoral & perverted sexual deviancy/ sadomasochism/ paedophilia/ bestiality & so on*. God made humankind in His image, meaning that His multifaceted emotional nature was also expressed/reflected in our own emotional complex as normally functioning human beings. We are capable of righteous anger & we are sometimes called to express it in response to the evil actions of powerful people in our societies – it is a type of anger which is rightfully expressed when removing tyrants & despots from their much-abused & corrupted positions of power, for example, and at times such as when Jesus flogged the money changers who were polluting the Jewish temple with the spiritual outcomes of their greed & corruption).
*Such things are deeply destructive, and the actions of even a single man or woman can have a butterfly effect which ripples outwards in a destructive wave, afflicting far more disenfranchised people/ vulnerable people groups than they could possibly have imagined, including certain demographics afflicted disproportionately, whatever the measure of the original crime. The guilt burden which is sometimes laid upon the perpetrator of such actions is such because with appropriate foresight, the offending individual/ group of people could have easily perceived the damage they would do in the short & long-term to their victims (both intentional & collateral), hence they should have diverted from carrying out their choice of the action/s involved, in favour of some course of action not leading to such disastrous outcomes.
God does not lash out. In scripture the long foretold destruction of the Amalekites was left unpunished for over 200 years, or four generations, before finally a swift & total judgement for their crimes was laid upon them. They had received ample warnings from the prophets of the One True God – they were aware of the relationship which Israel had with the sovereign, omnipotent God – but they carried on in their murders, abuses, thefts & perversions anyway, without letting up even for a single moment, willingly committing extreme acts of sinful conduct over the course of many generations, teaching their children to do the same, in open defiance of the moral, righteous God who had already been frank with them via the prophets of the day about what their chosen rebellion & openly defiant sinfulness would ultimately lead to, in terms of their own destruction. One thing everyone should be aware of with regards to the Amalekites, was that they were afflicted with a heavy presence of the deliberately wicked descendants of the Nephilim, as well being deluded by the false spiritual belief systems which depended on the diabolism issued forth from the fallen angels in antediluvian times, when they were training their Nephilim offspring, who then went forth & multiplied both in terms of their presence on the Earth, and in terms of the sin they committed & encouraged their peoples to commit, from generation to generation. It had been the fault of their direct ancestors that the world was so corrupted that the One True God destroyed the powerful antediluvian societies off the face of the Earth with the flood – almost. Some survived, and immediately went about rebuilding an empire in the lands which had been promised by God to Abraham – their illegal squatting on that land was deliberately intended to incite war with the Israelites when they arrived from Egypt after the Exodus – a war which the Amalekites & allied peoples living in nearby regions believed they could win outright with very little opposition. Most of those allied peoples (Hittites, Horites, Midianites, etc) also suffered the burdensome & corrupting influence of Nephilim-inspired /descended tyrants, who were confident they could win against the 'puny' Israelites, owing to their great stature as warriors & tyrannical rulers over large kingdoms of people who had been corrupted by their rule...
Furthermore, just to add, God's jealously is referenced only with regards to His desire that His people should remain pure of the corrupting influence of the sinful peoples who lived around them, in the territories which had in fact been promised to Abraham & his descendants alone. God was jealous to the extent that He desired that His chosen people should not worship false, impotent & corrupting traditions/ gods/ idols/ demons. It has nothing to do with any other human conception in which the term 'jealousy' would be applied.
And lastly to note on the quoted section of your response – God never had 'expansionist' objectives, with respect to the land of Israel & the people known as the Hebrews/ the Jews. In actual fact, the land had been swept clear by the flood – the antediluvians occupying it had proved themselves utterly corrupt, so their rights were cancelled & the land was free for God to hand it down to His chosen people, those who would carry the true message of the Messiah to the world. The angels had originally been given rights to rule over certain nations on Earth, but they had forfeited their rights by taking deliberate actions to rebel against God & to corrupt as many humans as possible. After the flood, these powers - who had proclaimed themselves to be gods (a claim which everyone knew was essentially true, though they were in fact angelic beings from the ruling council of Heaven, which were later expelled from that council, as recorded in the book of Psalms ~
NB - I lost a section of very important text here when I accidentally reloaded the page while preparing my response. I will have to make a separate reply to the intervening section of your original response so as to make it thoroughly apparent that yet again, you are speaking absolute rubbish. So bear with me after this post has been made, and I will gladly deconstruct your nonsense once again in order to show that you aren't even engaging in original thought, let alone anything constributing anything constructive or worthwhile for the edification or instruction of the reader. So for the time being, we skip a section & move on to:
that's an angry jealous and destructive God with expansionist ambitions, it was never that there aren't other Gods he just hates them, as one might expect.
God is expressed as being “slow to anger, quick to forgive”, and it is incorrect to assume that God should not ever be angry with a person, or a people group, following on from their abusive actions & deliberate deceptions, obfuscations, manipulations, choices to rob from the poor, failing to support the most needy people in any given society, immoral & perverted sexual deviancy/ sadomasochism/ paedophilia/ bestiality & so on*. God made humankind in His image, meaning that His multifaceted emotional nature was also expressed/reflected in our own emotional complex as normally functioning human beings. We are capable of righteous anger & we are sometimes called to express it in response to the evil actions of powerful people in our societies – it is a type of anger which is rightfully expressed when removing tyrants & despots from their much-abused & corrupted positions of power, for example, and at times such as when Jesus flogged the money changers who were polluting the Jewish temple with the spiritual outcomes of their greed & corruption).
*Such things are deeply destructive, and the actions of even a single man or woman can have a butterfly effect which ripples outwards in a destructive wave, afflicting far more disenfranchised people/ vulnerable people groups than they could possibly have imagined, including certain demographics afflicted disproportionately, whatever the measure of the original crime. The guilt burden which is sometimes laid upon the perpetrator of such actions is such because with appropriate foresight, the offending individual/ group of people could have easily perceived the damage they would do in the short & long-term to their victims (both intentional & collateral), hence they should have diverted from carrying out their choice of the action/s involved, in favour of some course of action not leading to such disastrous outcomes.
God does not lash out. In scripture the long foretold destruction of the Amalekites was left unpunished for over 200 years, or four generations, before finally a swift & total judgement for their crimes was laid upon them. They had received ample warnings from the prophets of the One True God – they were aware of the relationship which Israel had with the sovereign, omnipotent God – but they carried on in their murders, abuses, thefts & perversions anyway, without letting up even for a single moment, willingly committing extreme acts of sinful conduct over the course of many generations, teaching their children to do the same, in open defiance of the moral, righteous God who had already been frank with them via the prophets of the day about what their chosen rebellion & openly defiant sinfulness would ultimately lead to, in terms of their own destruction. One thing everyone should be aware of with regards to the Amalekites, was that they were afflicted with a heavy presence of the deliberately wicked descendants of the Nephilim, as well being deluded by the false spiritual belief systems which depended on the diabolism issued forth from the fallen angels in antediluvian times, when they were training their Nephilim offspring, who then went forth & multiplied both in terms of their presence on the Earth, and in terms of the sin they committed & encouraged their peoples to commit, from generation to generation. It had been the fault of their direct ancestors that the world was so corrupted that the One True God destroyed the powerful antediluvian societies off the face of the Earth with the flood – almost. Some survived, and immediately went about rebuilding an empire in the lands which had been promised by God to Abraham – their illegal squatting on that land was deliberately intended to incite war with the Israelites when they arrived from Egypt after the Exodus – a war which the Amalekites & allied peoples living in nearby regions believed they could win outright with very little opposition. Most of those allied peoples (Hittites, Horites, Midianites, etc) also suffered the burdensome & corrupting influence of Nephilim-inspired /descended tyrants, who were confident they could win against the 'puny' Israelites, owing to their great stature as warriors & tyrannical rulers over large kingdoms of people who had been corrupted by their rule...
Furthermore, just to add, God's jealously is referenced only with regards to His desire that His people should remain pure of the corrupting influence of the sinful peoples who lived around them, in the territories which had in fact been promised to Abraham & his descendants alone. God was jealous to the extent that He desired that His chosen people should not worship false, impotent & corrupting traditions/ gods/ idols/ demons. It has nothing to do with any other human conception in which the term 'jealousy' would be applied.
And lastly to note on the quoted section of your response – God never had 'expansionist' objectives, with respect to the land of Israel & the people known as the Hebrews/ the Jews. In actual fact, the land had been swept clear by the flood – the antediluvians occupying it had proved themselves utterly corrupt, so their rights were cancelled & the land was free for God to hand it down to His chosen people, those who would carry the true message of the Messiah to the world. The angels had originally been given rights to rule over certain nations on Earth, but they had forfeited their rights by taking deliberate actions to rebel against God & to corrupt as many humans as possible. After the flood, these powers - who had proclaimed themselves to be gods (a claim which everyone knew was essentially true, though they were in fact angelic beings from the ruling council of Heaven, which were later expelled from that council, as recorded in the book of Psalms ~
God presides in the divine assembly;
He renders judgment among the gods:
“How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?
Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
uphold the rights of the afflicted and oppressed.
Rescue the weak and needy;
save them from the hand of the wicked.
They do not know or understand;
they wander in the darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
I have said, ‘You are gods;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
But like mortals you will die,
and like rulers you will fall.”
Arise, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are Your inheritance.
Psalm 82
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
We have a couple of important points here of which it is vital to take note.. Firstly, God's original pattern of rule was fixed in a certain hierarchy. He had established a groups of powerful angelic beings as His divine council, those who would take on the challenge of ensuring that 'matters of state' were handled appropriately – there was no need for God Himself to take charge of affairs. He created so that His children would be able to adopt for themselves strategy & to take action which empowered them in their roles & gave them a sense of fulfilment, echoed down every level through to Mankind, who once fully acknowledged the One True God in all that they undertook to do beneath the vault of the firmament. Each ruling 'Watcher' angel was established as head over one of the nations of the Earth, and it was to them that the people reported & from them they took counsel. However, very early on there was a rebellion, and the Watcher angels abandoned their proper station, descending permanently to the Earth, taking wives for themselves who birthed the tyrant race of giants, the Nephilim. So having done these things, over a long period of time (with plenty of time to repent & change their ways) God responded to them in Psalm 82 with a judgement – they would not only lose their heavenly standing, they would in fact, at some point, die in the same way that mortals die. This is not to say that they did not enjoy supernaturally lengthy lifespans, indeed their descendants seem to enjoy ridiculously long lifespans, sometimes this has been captured by random photographs from the 19th century, in which we see people who are uncannily resemblant of modern celebrities – could they indeed be those born into the Nephilim bloodlines, to enjoy a long lifestyle somewhere private, members by birthright of the elite angelic family lineage, an occulted aspect of our world? Whoever they are, they are still among us, and indeed there are powerful spirit rulers who are able to fight against the true angelic powers, as described in the Book of Daniel:
Elsewhere, we see that originally, these angels who were stationed in charge of the various nations of the world were charged with ensuring that correct & compassionate judgement was rendered between persons or nations in dispute – but that particular care should be paid to the most vulnerable - the sick, the widows & the orphans. It is clear from Psalm 82 that they utterly failed in this task, and were judged harshly because of it. There is a lesson here for the civil services of the nations, which in times past led to special considerations being provided for those who were most vulnerable. Unfortunately there is no longer any guarantee that the nations will feel compelled to protect the vulnerable, particularly as the pseudopandemic continues to dictate draconian policy directives trickling down to the local level following edicts issued on high.
Following on from this the boundaries of the land of the Israelites were clearly specified in the Torah, and the Jews NEVER expanded beyond those well-defined borders. In modern times, Israel has NEVER attempted to expand beyond the borders, or to establish an empire - they are NOT an expansionist people, because God is not expansionist, He simply demarcated the boundaries & they were thus fixed, immoveable. To attempt to expand the borders in ancient times would have been a severe violation of the covenant which God promised to Abraham, and delivered via Moses & Aaron. They eventually more or less cleared the land of their mortal enemies, who had been lying in wait for their arrival since the flood as described re: the Amalekites; primarily all the offending groups were ruled & populated by the Nephilim descendants, all of whom had received initiations in occulted mystical ceremonies & wisdom traditions which empowered them psychically & their teachings expressed that they should live in open rebellion against the edicts of the Most High, and that they should vociferously resist the indwelling of the Israelites when they would arrive at some future time – because the fallen angels, their mentors, were aware of the bare bones of the plan of salvation, to be delivered ultimately as a total revelation known as the Judeo-Christian tradition – and those same mentors hated God for the judgement He had levied against them in that time, and they were determined to induce the destruction of Humanity for a second time via the corruption & decimation of Israel & the surrounding peoples, forcing God's hand, causing Him to bring judgement against them, cancelling out the Messianic promise & the hope of a New Covenant.
NB – When contemplating the response to the above quoted material, which eventually became the preceding paragraphs, I had paused & closed my eyes, partly because I was tired, partly because I was considering how to respond. However, something highly unusual & definitely supernatural occurred in that moment (experiences like the one I am about to relate are very rare, but the enemy finds other ways to get through, in my case it's often done via dreams which progressively turn into nightmares). Anyway, while my eyes were closed, while I was peacefully contemplating what I would write, there was a sudden diabolic manifestation right in front of my face. In an instant, I became aware of a demonic presence which hovered less than two inches from me, it seemed. Immediately, before I could even process what was happening so as to open my eyes in response to the presence, there was a sudden highly audible hissing/ spitting noise, exactly the sounds which a reptilian creature would make when inflamed with anger/ when demonstrating serious aggression – in this case the noise was amplified to convey the impression of a reptile which had a head roughly the same size as that of a human. Almost as soon as it began it had stopped (the noise lasted only a couple of seconds), and when I opened my eyes, there was no visible or intuitively discernible presence.
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We have a couple of important points here of which it is vital to take note.. Firstly, God's original pattern of rule was fixed in a certain hierarchy. He had established a groups of powerful angelic beings as His divine council, those who would take on the challenge of ensuring that 'matters of state' were handled appropriately – there was no need for God Himself to take charge of affairs. He created so that His children would be able to adopt for themselves strategy & to take action which empowered them in their roles & gave them a sense of fulfilment, echoed down every level through to Mankind, who once fully acknowledged the One True God in all that they undertook to do beneath the vault of the firmament. Each ruling 'Watcher' angel was established as head over one of the nations of the Earth, and it was to them that the people reported & from them they took counsel. However, very early on there was a rebellion, and the Watcher angels abandoned their proper station, descending permanently to the Earth, taking wives for themselves who birthed the tyrant race of giants, the Nephilim. So having done these things, over a long period of time (with plenty of time to repent & change their ways) God responded to them in Psalm 82 with a judgement – they would not only lose their heavenly standing, they would in fact, at some point, die in the same way that mortals die. This is not to say that they did not enjoy supernaturally lengthy lifespans, indeed their descendants seem to enjoy ridiculously long lifespans, sometimes this has been captured by random photographs from the 19th century, in which we see people who are uncannily resemblant of modern celebrities – could they indeed be those born into the Nephilim bloodlines, to enjoy a long lifestyle somewhere private, members by birthright of the elite angelic family lineage, an occulted aspect of our world? Whoever they are, they are still among us, and indeed there are powerful spirit rulers who are able to fight against the true angelic powers, as described in the Book of Daniel:
Just then a hand touched me and lifted me, still trembling, to my hands and knees. And the man said to me, “Daniel, you are very precious to God, so listen carefully to what I have to say to you. Stand up, for I have been sent to you.” When he said this to me, I stood up, still trembling. Then he said, “Don’t be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day you began to pray for understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your request has been heard in heaven. I have come in answer to your prayer. But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia. Now I am here to explain what will happen to your people in the future, for this vision concerns a time yet to come.”
Daniel 10: 10-14
Elsewhere, we see that originally, these angels who were stationed in charge of the various nations of the world were charged with ensuring that correct & compassionate judgement was rendered between persons or nations in dispute – but that particular care should be paid to the most vulnerable - the sick, the widows & the orphans. It is clear from Psalm 82 that they utterly failed in this task, and were judged harshly because of it. There is a lesson here for the civil services of the nations, which in times past led to special considerations being provided for those who were most vulnerable. Unfortunately there is no longer any guarantee that the nations will feel compelled to protect the vulnerable, particularly as the pseudopandemic continues to dictate draconian policy directives trickling down to the local level following edicts issued on high.
Following on from this the boundaries of the land of the Israelites were clearly specified in the Torah, and the Jews NEVER expanded beyond those well-defined borders. In modern times, Israel has NEVER attempted to expand beyond the borders, or to establish an empire - they are NOT an expansionist people, because God is not expansionist, He simply demarcated the boundaries & they were thus fixed, immoveable. To attempt to expand the borders in ancient times would have been a severe violation of the covenant which God promised to Abraham, and delivered via Moses & Aaron. They eventually more or less cleared the land of their mortal enemies, who had been lying in wait for their arrival since the flood as described re: the Amalekites; primarily all the offending groups were ruled & populated by the Nephilim descendants, all of whom had received initiations in occulted mystical ceremonies & wisdom traditions which empowered them psychically & their teachings expressed that they should live in open rebellion against the edicts of the Most High, and that they should vociferously resist the indwelling of the Israelites when they would arrive at some future time – because the fallen angels, their mentors, were aware of the bare bones of the plan of salvation, to be delivered ultimately as a total revelation known as the Judeo-Christian tradition – and those same mentors hated God for the judgement He had levied against them in that time, and they were determined to induce the destruction of Humanity for a second time via the corruption & decimation of Israel & the surrounding peoples, forcing God's hand, causing Him to bring judgement against them, cancelling out the Messianic promise & the hope of a New Covenant.
NB – When contemplating the response to the above quoted material, which eventually became the preceding paragraphs, I had paused & closed my eyes, partly because I was tired, partly because I was considering how to respond. However, something highly unusual & definitely supernatural occurred in that moment (experiences like the one I am about to relate are very rare, but the enemy finds other ways to get through, in my case it's often done via dreams which progressively turn into nightmares). Anyway, while my eyes were closed, while I was peacefully contemplating what I would write, there was a sudden diabolic manifestation right in front of my face. In an instant, I became aware of a demonic presence which hovered less than two inches from me, it seemed. Immediately, before I could even process what was happening so as to open my eyes in response to the presence, there was a sudden highly audible hissing/ spitting noise, exactly the sounds which a reptilian creature would make when inflamed with anger/ when demonstrating serious aggression – in this case the noise was amplified to convey the impression of a reptile which had a head roughly the same size as that of a human. Almost as soon as it began it had stopped (the noise lasted only a couple of seconds), and when I opened my eyes, there was no visible or intuitively discernible presence.
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a reply to: All Seeing Eye
However, that attack told me that certainly, our words here on ATS are not wasted, when we attempt to correct theologically inaccurate or offensive statements by people who are expressing falsehoods either as deceived influencers (some of whom could be categorised as 'useful idiots'), or as corrupted & deliberately deceiving influencers, those vipers which are purposely sowing disinformation & arguments against the proper interpretations of theological matters, even despite a knowledge that those invalid arguments have already been sufficiently debunked by referring to existing interpretations of scripture, doctrine, cultural facts of proper practice & worship derived from those known works of scripture & doctrine, proven concepts, etc.
If the creatures of darkness want so badly to take down what we're saying here that they will take advantage of a microsecond opportunity to get close & attempt to scare me off in such a manner, then clearly I'm expressing things which need to be heard. In circumstances such as this, God will sometimes temporarily suspend ordinary measures of protection to a fixed degree, rolling them back just enough so that the enemy can strike at you, albeit in a manner which is ineffective for the purposes of anything more than a trashy 'jump scare', impotent in terms of actually affecting me in any meaningful way. Don't get me wrong, it was a surprising & moderately frightening jump scare, but the ordinary measures of protection were immediately rolled back into place, such that the entity wasn't able to come near to me or my house beyond that momentary window of opportunity it perceived – stupidly not realising that by so doing, it was affirming that my written words in this forum are important enough for the Devil to issue standing orders such that I should be attacked vociferously via any means of opportunity whatsoever, by any method which seems capable of achieving maximum impact, maximum damage to my psyche. I have long been aware that this must be the case in my dreamscape night after night – but now I have confirmation that Satan wants to destroy my capacity to positively influence people via my written words on this forum as well. Events in my general day-to-day life have also suffered with consistent & perpetual attacks being worked through our material circumstances, with a pattern simply consisting of one crisis after another, after another, ad infinitum. They take many forms, and one of the giveaways is that despite very careful efforts, nothing that we attempt to grow in terms of plant life succeeds very well, despite having the same soil, sunlight & nutrients which our neighbour makes us of in the easy propagation & strong growth of a great variety of plants in her equally small front garden space. After watching the demise of plant after plant after plant, I believe that this is one item of evidence for the perpetual influence of black magic aimed at significantly disrupting our material circumstances, having residual trace effects which destroy the positive tendency towards material growth which our initially very healthy living plants would otherwise manifest. To give one example of recent crises, three bedrooms were infested with bedbugs, with absolutely no clear path of origin in which they could have entered the house in the first place. We dissected our history over the preceding months & couldn't point to any events in which the creatures could have been transferred into the house. After a lengthy, costly & deeply frustrating/ infuriating/ uncomfortable battle to overcome the infestation, we finally succeeded a couple of weeks ago. The very next week, we suddenly had a family of rats enter the property via a hole in a wall through which a defunct drainpipe once ran. That hole had been carefully filled by my father last year, using the correct outdoors chemical foam sealant, and had been secure. But mere days after finally succeeding in destroying the bedbugs, we suddenly had a rat infestation to resolve. It took two weeks, several baited traps & a cache of rat poison to finally get rid of the rats.
Moving on....
I mean seriously, wow. You think the mish-mash pantheism & diabolism of Hinduism is superior to the beautifully poised & crafted excellence of the Judeo-Christian 'Way' which was followed by the first Christians & is well-practised still by millions of well balanced & true Christians in these present times? Do you sincerely believe that the spiritual gifts of Christianity are unbalanced, hateful, spiteful, tribal, locally manifested only in Palestine, etc, etc, etc ad absurdium???
Nothing comparable with the caste system, the demonic god figurines/idols, the plaster of paris god shrines which receive offerings of rice, grain & milk/wine/spices, etc?!?!
By comparison, Christ's provision of spiritually/materially effective tools for the spiritual & practical empowerment of His disciples (all believers) are the many 'gifts of the Spirit' which one may receive after water baptism & baptism through prayer in the power of the Holy Spirit, some of which include the following:
Edification (strengthening of the inner person) is provided to oneself by spending time praying in tongues, which literally strengthens you moment by moment if you are going through a distressing experience or have need of a stern measure of resolve in preparation for some purpose. When with other praying Christians, the Holy Spirit will often cause one of your brethren or sisters to spontaneously interpret your prayer for the benefit of other hearers, and for your own benefit – all which are uttered in the private language of your spirit in conversation with God's Spirit – this is known as the interpretation of tongues. Then there is the powerful & blessed sharing of specific knowledge concerning future times – PROPHECY. Prophetic messages often arise in dreams & waking visions when praying either alone or with others. Sometimes a person with a prophetic ministry will spontaneously deliver a prophetic missive in spoken English (or whatever the local language) which is authored by the Holy Spirit to strengthen the people of that church group, or to warn them of some future problem, or to encourage them with good news & specific promises of certain blessings which are up ahead for them.
.............
However, that attack told me that certainly, our words here on ATS are not wasted, when we attempt to correct theologically inaccurate or offensive statements by people who are expressing falsehoods either as deceived influencers (some of whom could be categorised as 'useful idiots'), or as corrupted & deliberately deceiving influencers, those vipers which are purposely sowing disinformation & arguments against the proper interpretations of theological matters, even despite a knowledge that those invalid arguments have already been sufficiently debunked by referring to existing interpretations of scripture, doctrine, cultural facts of proper practice & worship derived from those known works of scripture & doctrine, proven concepts, etc.
If the creatures of darkness want so badly to take down what we're saying here that they will take advantage of a microsecond opportunity to get close & attempt to scare me off in such a manner, then clearly I'm expressing things which need to be heard. In circumstances such as this, God will sometimes temporarily suspend ordinary measures of protection to a fixed degree, rolling them back just enough so that the enemy can strike at you, albeit in a manner which is ineffective for the purposes of anything more than a trashy 'jump scare', impotent in terms of actually affecting me in any meaningful way. Don't get me wrong, it was a surprising & moderately frightening jump scare, but the ordinary measures of protection were immediately rolled back into place, such that the entity wasn't able to come near to me or my house beyond that momentary window of opportunity it perceived – stupidly not realising that by so doing, it was affirming that my written words in this forum are important enough for the Devil to issue standing orders such that I should be attacked vociferously via any means of opportunity whatsoever, by any method which seems capable of achieving maximum impact, maximum damage to my psyche. I have long been aware that this must be the case in my dreamscape night after night – but now I have confirmation that Satan wants to destroy my capacity to positively influence people via my written words on this forum as well. Events in my general day-to-day life have also suffered with consistent & perpetual attacks being worked through our material circumstances, with a pattern simply consisting of one crisis after another, after another, ad infinitum. They take many forms, and one of the giveaways is that despite very careful efforts, nothing that we attempt to grow in terms of plant life succeeds very well, despite having the same soil, sunlight & nutrients which our neighbour makes us of in the easy propagation & strong growth of a great variety of plants in her equally small front garden space. After watching the demise of plant after plant after plant, I believe that this is one item of evidence for the perpetual influence of black magic aimed at significantly disrupting our material circumstances, having residual trace effects which destroy the positive tendency towards material growth which our initially very healthy living plants would otherwise manifest. To give one example of recent crises, three bedrooms were infested with bedbugs, with absolutely no clear path of origin in which they could have entered the house in the first place. We dissected our history over the preceding months & couldn't point to any events in which the creatures could have been transferred into the house. After a lengthy, costly & deeply frustrating/ infuriating/ uncomfortable battle to overcome the infestation, we finally succeeded a couple of weeks ago. The very next week, we suddenly had a family of rats enter the property via a hole in a wall through which a defunct drainpipe once ran. That hole had been carefully filled by my father last year, using the correct outdoors chemical foam sealant, and had been secure. But mere days after finally succeeding in destroying the bedbugs, we suddenly had a rat infestation to resolve. It took two weeks, several baited traps & a cache of rat poison to finally get rid of the rats.
Moving on....
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
But the argument made there by Paul that the God of Israel is the Universal God is no more true than the Romans making the same case for Jupiter with Hercules as his only begotten Son, these are only aspects of the Divine, (Fly's emphasis) ~ Israel had nothing comparable to some aspects of Hinduism with regards to Universal principles only the petty tribal with pretentions of grandeur.
I mean seriously, wow. You think the mish-mash pantheism & diabolism of Hinduism is superior to the beautifully poised & crafted excellence of the Judeo-Christian 'Way' which was followed by the first Christians & is well-practised still by millions of well balanced & true Christians in these present times? Do you sincerely believe that the spiritual gifts of Christianity are unbalanced, hateful, spiteful, tribal, locally manifested only in Palestine, etc, etc, etc ad absurdium???
Nothing comparable with the caste system, the demonic god figurines/idols, the plaster of paris god shrines which receive offerings of rice, grain & milk/wine/spices, etc?!?!
By comparison, Christ's provision of spiritually/materially effective tools for the spiritual & practical empowerment of His disciples (all believers) are the many 'gifts of the Spirit' which one may receive after water baptism & baptism through prayer in the power of the Holy Spirit, some of which include the following:
Edification (strengthening of the inner person) is provided to oneself by spending time praying in tongues, which literally strengthens you moment by moment if you are going through a distressing experience or have need of a stern measure of resolve in preparation for some purpose. When with other praying Christians, the Holy Spirit will often cause one of your brethren or sisters to spontaneously interpret your prayer for the benefit of other hearers, and for your own benefit – all which are uttered in the private language of your spirit in conversation with God's Spirit – this is known as the interpretation of tongues. Then there is the powerful & blessed sharing of specific knowledge concerning future times – PROPHECY. Prophetic messages often arise in dreams & waking visions when praying either alone or with others. Sometimes a person with a prophetic ministry will spontaneously deliver a prophetic missive in spoken English (or whatever the local language) which is authored by the Holy Spirit to strengthen the people of that church group, or to warn them of some future problem, or to encourage them with good news & specific promises of certain blessings which are up ahead for them.
.............
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
Then we have the so-called 'words of knowledge' – these are inspired insights received when praying for a person, or for the church, or a group within the church – the person delivering the word of knowledge & its interpretation will display fundamentally unknown, preternatural knowledge of a specific problem which you are facing in your life, or a problem faced by the church or any other institution, which the person thus gifted could never have known by any natural means, demonstrating instantly that God is aware of your exact needs, and has sent someone to pray with you for the fulfilment of that need.
Then there are wonderful wisdom visions, which involve a typically beautiful & rich vision either in the mind's eye, or during what is termed an 'open vision' where a person suddenly feels transported to a totally different environment, perhaps in part of Heaven, elsewhere on the Earth, etc. In either type of vision, it becomes apparent that whatever one is being shown in that vision has a very clear meaning which you are able to immediately interpret, enabling you to discuss in great detail the contents of the vision & its meaning for the person or institution involved. These often include prophetic promises for the future, sometimes they can constitute warnings which should be heeded. In effect, this gift can be utilised for teaching, counselling, giving good news of blessing & encouragement, informing the person or institution of a future mission – all sorts. It is probably my favourite type of gifting, alongside more directly prophetic visionary information.
Further to these wonderful gifts, we can say that divinely inspired teaching of the gospels & other parts of scripture is a gift, interpreting the important principles from amidst the text in its original context, perceiving the multi-dimensional layers of meaning which provide for the spiritual wellbeing of people everywhere. Being able to 'rightly divide the word of truth' is extremely important in our age of childish, lazy, silly or plain amateur opinions & immature conclusions which speak falsely regarding the deep meaning/s of holy scripture. In addition there is a gifting for clarion evangelism, ensuring that people hear the gospel & are able to relate it to their own life, or to the lives of their family & friends, enabling people to “answer the upward call of God, in Christ Jesus”, to ensure that they are able to enjoy the same adventure that so many good people have enjoyed themselves in times past, frequently changing the world for the better in all sorts of ways.
Then we have the gift of physical & mental health healing – this gift must be handled reverently, with the support of a right theological understanding of healing ministry, the ways it works & the reasons why sometimes healing simply doesn't come in a physical sense in this fallen world. However, when applied reverently, in true humility, even those with devastating physical sickness who are not physically healed, can be mentally & emotionally healed, edified & made ready to face the challenges of their life, even at the end of life, they are able to assess their experience in the light of divine truth & love, knowing that where they are going, there is no sickness or pain, only the loving presence of God & unlimited joys for evermore.
People who are properly commissioned & trained into the following ministry by mature believers who have extensive experience in this area, can help aid in the spiritual deliverance of a person in need who has trouble with the presence of demonic spirits in their lives, ranging from minor poltergeist type encounters/ attachments, all the way up to full-blown possession by extremely powerful demons, often due to previous involvement with deeply Satanic activities, beliefs & behaviours. Oppression by demonic spirits can be extremely draining to the spiritual wellbeing of a person - they manifest severe depression, anxiety, even physical health problems psychosomatically or demonically induced. Deliverance ministry can set them free completely, filling them thereafter with the power & love of the Holy Spirit, unlocking the gate which had prevented them from going forth to love God & explore the power of His forgiveness & grace. An adapted form of deliverance can be used to free people from addictive attachments/ deleterious effects on the soul/spirit,arising from all manner of causes – it's powerfully liberating stuff.
Then we have the beautiful gift of pure-hearted & loving provision of service to others in humility, which is a wonderful & oft-overlooked gift. These are the backbone of the global church, the people who provide the love & care so desperately needed by people who have formerly been hurt by or trapped in their negative experience of life. The service-hearted folk at the centre of the church's support structures provide so much to others, often grossly overlooking their own needs in the process. They serve incessantly, bringing much benefit to people here on Earth – in Heaven, these are the superstars..
Lastly for now, we see the more bombastic miracles, signs & wonders, the power gifts – incredible things have been reported – gold flakes suddenly fluttering down from the ceiling along with small diamonds suddenly appearing on the floor, during a service in which the power of God manifests wonderfully in response to the revival-oriented prayer & worship, facilitating the incredible power of the Holy Spirit to manifest in such remarkable & beautiful ways.. People getting new legs where once they had been amputated from the knee downwards.. People literally raised from the dead, just as Lazarus was raised, and as Jesus was raised. These events are exceptionally rare, and they are often ignored completely by mainstream media & by academics/ anthropologists – but they shouldn't be. The appearance of angelic messengers on the stage during a service, materialising from nowhere then disappearing again; deeply devout saints suddenly levitating during a prayer service..
To summarise, Christianity is an adventure, a life of blessing, a gift of grace, mercy & forgiveness, a way to make lifelong friends who will be loyal unto death – a way to directly connect to the Lord of all Creation & to know His love for you, and His wonderful plans for your life.
Jesus said:
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Then we have the so-called 'words of knowledge' – these are inspired insights received when praying for a person, or for the church, or a group within the church – the person delivering the word of knowledge & its interpretation will display fundamentally unknown, preternatural knowledge of a specific problem which you are facing in your life, or a problem faced by the church or any other institution, which the person thus gifted could never have known by any natural means, demonstrating instantly that God is aware of your exact needs, and has sent someone to pray with you for the fulfilment of that need.
Then there are wonderful wisdom visions, which involve a typically beautiful & rich vision either in the mind's eye, or during what is termed an 'open vision' where a person suddenly feels transported to a totally different environment, perhaps in part of Heaven, elsewhere on the Earth, etc. In either type of vision, it becomes apparent that whatever one is being shown in that vision has a very clear meaning which you are able to immediately interpret, enabling you to discuss in great detail the contents of the vision & its meaning for the person or institution involved. These often include prophetic promises for the future, sometimes they can constitute warnings which should be heeded. In effect, this gift can be utilised for teaching, counselling, giving good news of blessing & encouragement, informing the person or institution of a future mission – all sorts. It is probably my favourite type of gifting, alongside more directly prophetic visionary information.
Further to these wonderful gifts, we can say that divinely inspired teaching of the gospels & other parts of scripture is a gift, interpreting the important principles from amidst the text in its original context, perceiving the multi-dimensional layers of meaning which provide for the spiritual wellbeing of people everywhere. Being able to 'rightly divide the word of truth' is extremely important in our age of childish, lazy, silly or plain amateur opinions & immature conclusions which speak falsely regarding the deep meaning/s of holy scripture. In addition there is a gifting for clarion evangelism, ensuring that people hear the gospel & are able to relate it to their own life, or to the lives of their family & friends, enabling people to “answer the upward call of God, in Christ Jesus”, to ensure that they are able to enjoy the same adventure that so many good people have enjoyed themselves in times past, frequently changing the world for the better in all sorts of ways.
Then we have the gift of physical & mental health healing – this gift must be handled reverently, with the support of a right theological understanding of healing ministry, the ways it works & the reasons why sometimes healing simply doesn't come in a physical sense in this fallen world. However, when applied reverently, in true humility, even those with devastating physical sickness who are not physically healed, can be mentally & emotionally healed, edified & made ready to face the challenges of their life, even at the end of life, they are able to assess their experience in the light of divine truth & love, knowing that where they are going, there is no sickness or pain, only the loving presence of God & unlimited joys for evermore.
People who are properly commissioned & trained into the following ministry by mature believers who have extensive experience in this area, can help aid in the spiritual deliverance of a person in need who has trouble with the presence of demonic spirits in their lives, ranging from minor poltergeist type encounters/ attachments, all the way up to full-blown possession by extremely powerful demons, often due to previous involvement with deeply Satanic activities, beliefs & behaviours. Oppression by demonic spirits can be extremely draining to the spiritual wellbeing of a person - they manifest severe depression, anxiety, even physical health problems psychosomatically or demonically induced. Deliverance ministry can set them free completely, filling them thereafter with the power & love of the Holy Spirit, unlocking the gate which had prevented them from going forth to love God & explore the power of His forgiveness & grace. An adapted form of deliverance can be used to free people from addictive attachments/ deleterious effects on the soul/spirit,arising from all manner of causes – it's powerfully liberating stuff.
Then we have the beautiful gift of pure-hearted & loving provision of service to others in humility, which is a wonderful & oft-overlooked gift. These are the backbone of the global church, the people who provide the love & care so desperately needed by people who have formerly been hurt by or trapped in their negative experience of life. The service-hearted folk at the centre of the church's support structures provide so much to others, often grossly overlooking their own needs in the process. They serve incessantly, bringing much benefit to people here on Earth – in Heaven, these are the superstars..
Lastly for now, we see the more bombastic miracles, signs & wonders, the power gifts – incredible things have been reported – gold flakes suddenly fluttering down from the ceiling along with small diamonds suddenly appearing on the floor, during a service in which the power of God manifests wonderfully in response to the revival-oriented prayer & worship, facilitating the incredible power of the Holy Spirit to manifest in such remarkable & beautiful ways.. People getting new legs where once they had been amputated from the knee downwards.. People literally raised from the dead, just as Lazarus was raised, and as Jesus was raised. These events are exceptionally rare, and they are often ignored completely by mainstream media & by academics/ anthropologists – but they shouldn't be. The appearance of angelic messengers on the stage during a service, materialising from nowhere then disappearing again; deeply devout saints suddenly levitating during a prayer service..
Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me — or at least believe on account of the works themselves. Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.…
John 14: 12
To summarise, Christianity is an adventure, a life of blessing, a gift of grace, mercy & forgiveness, a way to make lifelong friends who will be loyal unto death – a way to directly connect to the Lord of all Creation & to know His love for you, and His wonderful plans for your life.
Jesus said:
”The thief’s purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life..”
John 10: 10
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a reply to: All Seeing Eye
Napoleon once said of Christ:
He also said:
Napoleon once said of Christ:
“I know men; and I tell you that Jesus Christ is not a man. Superficial minds see a resemblance between Christ & the founders of empires, and the gods of other religions. That resemblance does not exist. There is between Christianity & whatever other religions the distance of infinity”
He also said:
“I know men; and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for him ..”
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
The Prophetic tradition of Israel emerges at the time of conflict with Assyria and is derivative of the Assyrian which pre-dates it, a form of religious propaganda during a time of conflict.
They constantly re-cycle prophecy when similar situations arise but the original context related to the situation at the time and was not intended as a magical guide book for future events, the Apocalyptic tradition they adapted from the Persians Post Babylonian exile.
That can be translated as all Nations will kneel to your seed. barak: to kneel, bless
It's not through the miraculous it's through method, they maintain their collective through love of themsleves and their tradition and hatred of others, there is nothing natural about love of Prophets, Bible and Israel it is conditioned through doctrine, love and hatred are two sides of the same coin with regards to the God of Israel otherwise known as Mars.
The only mystery is you are highly susceptible to religious propaganda even millenia after it was written.
The Prophetic tradition of Israel emerges at the time of conflict with Assyria and is derivative of the Assyrian which pre-dates it, a form of religious propaganda during a time of conflict.
The word of Ištar of Arbela to Esarhaddon, king of Assyria:
Come, gods, my fathers and brothers, enter the covenant . . .She placed a slice . of bread on the terrace and gave them water from a cooler to drink. She filled a flagon of one seah with water from the cooler and gave it to them with the words:
"In your hearts say, 'Ištar is slight,' and you will go to your cities and districts, eat your bread and forget this covenant.
But when you drink from this water, you will remember me and keep this covenant which I have made *"
They constantly re-cycle prophecy when similar situations arise but the original context related to the situation at the time and was not intended as a magical guide book for future events, the Apocalyptic tradition they adapted from the Persians Post Babylonian exile.
And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed
That can be translated as all Nations will kneel to your seed. barak: to kneel, bless
Of course, as a people, the Jews had a special sense of their collectivism, in light of their unique & remarkable, miraculous history as a nation, and the missions they had been given as imperatives to be fulfilled in return for God's covenant of love & devotion.
It's not through the miraculous it's through method, they maintain their collective through love of themsleves and their tradition and hatred of others, there is nothing natural about love of Prophets, Bible and Israel it is conditioned through doctrine, love and hatred are two sides of the same coin with regards to the God of Israel otherwise known as Mars.
The only mystery is you are highly susceptible to religious propaganda even millenia after it was written.
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
You spent 3 or 4 full post's, selling what?
I have to admit I lost interest after the personal attacks. By any chance, you a Mason?
You use each other as crutches.....
oginski.by...
You spent 3 or 4 full post's, selling what?
I have to admit I lost interest after the personal attacks. By any chance, you a Mason?
You use each other as crutches.....
Was Napoleon a freemason? Historians do not have a document that could confirm this, but many undeniable facts prove the extreme closeness of Napoleon to Freemasonry. Moreover, it was thanks to Napoleonб Freemasonry spread in Europe and became a mass phenomenon. He turned Freemasonry from a secret society, as it used to be, into almost an official state religion, uniting all the French lodges around the Grand Orient.
oginski.by...
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Terpene
Yes, when it is necessary & justified. Pacifism is a delusion for the comfortable to play with.
But doesn't christianity dictate pacifism .... "You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you (Matthew 5:38–42).
What occurs in this world occurs in conciousness. Whilst we remain fixated in conciousness we will not be able to surrender to the love that is God. Allowing the light to shine into our soul allows the light to shine into all souls.
Is that a deliberate religious nutter technique, to text wall metaphysic threads, on page 2 ?
I've seen it way too often. One would think, you'd become more concise in expressing your thoughts, after writing them out over and over...
I've seen it way too often. One would think, you'd become more concise in expressing your thoughts, after writing them out over and over...
a reply to: Terpene
A famous quote totally overlooked when it comes to scriptures, bibles, and secret (hoodwinking) brotherhoods....
This Quote comes from William Claude Dukenfield, or more commonly known as WC Fields. Which by the way was also a hoodwinking brother, who would have known.
masonrytoday.com...
In short, the world has been "Hoodwinked", and fed B.S., for a very long time.
Is the Catholic Church actually anti-Masonic? Hardly! The hoodwinking has no bounds..
Category: Catholic clergy – known Masons
A List of Masons in The Hierarchy of the Catholic Church
The one thing for certain is The Masons, the Royals, and religious nutters all conspired to control mankind's thinking, and to control the narrative, history.
Catholic Bibles: A Modest History of the English Versions
All, baffled B.S.
W.C. Fields, hit a home run!
Short Answer, YES!
Is that a deliberate religious nutter technique
A famous quote totally overlooked when it comes to scriptures, bibles, and secret (hoodwinking) brotherhoods....
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull#.”
This Quote comes from William Claude Dukenfield, or more commonly known as WC Fields. Which by the way was also a hoodwinking brother, who would have known.
Fields was a member of E. Coppee Mitchell Lodge No. 605 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He was raised on May 20th, 1907. He was suspended for non-payment of dues on December 16th, 1924
masonrytoday.com...
In short, the world has been "Hoodwinked", and fed B.S., for a very long time.
Is the Catholic Church actually anti-Masonic? Hardly! The hoodwinking has no bounds..
The first significant inroad made by Freemasonry into the heart of the Church was the appointment of the influential Cardinal Rampolla as Secretary of State. Ordained in 1866, Mariano Rampolla was made a bishop by Pope Leo XIII and appointed Apostolic Nuncio of Spain in 1882 for five years.
Category: Catholic clergy – known Masons
A List of Masons in The Hierarchy of the Catholic Church
The one thing for certain is The Masons, the Royals, and religious nutters all conspired to control mankind's thinking, and to control the narrative, history.
Catholic Bibles: A Modest History of the English Versions
All, baffled B.S.
W.C. Fields, hit a home run!
Thought some might enjoy this read from Vigano. I'm not catholic but one doesn't need to be to give hum a big hand for his aim & insight.
REBEL YELL: Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò: Considerations On The Great Reset & The New World Order
REBEL YELL: Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò: Considerations On The Great Reset & The New World Order
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