New light tank for US Army?

Could this be a future of FCS "make it lighter" tank? It's definitely air deployable :
movie clip link - wehate.org...

Enjoy!!!

[edit on 27-3-2005 by longbow]

thats a homemade thing. Saw it on www.killsometime.com in the movie section. Seriously, that thing would be totally useless in combat situations. Even for scouting, I doubt it would serve any useful purpose other than being an extra target. Id say Humvee's can cover anything that little tank can do.

Originally posted by Catfish
thats a homemade thing. Saw it on www.killsometime.com in the movie section. Seriously, that thing would be totally useless in combat situations. Even for scouting, I doubt it would serve any useful purpose other than being an extra target. Id say Humvee's can cover anything that little tank can do.

I know, it was suposed to be a joke. With the tendency to make the FCS lighter, the future armored forces will offer not much better protection. However I saw simillar german or french small tank/armored vehicle, that really exists - two man crew, deployable by Chinook or Ch-53. That was funny thing too. Too bad I lost pictures, can anybody from Germany/France help?

THAT THING IS SOOOOO COOL!
I want one!
Mabye thats what they should train tank drivers in?

However I saw simillar german or french small tank/armored vehicle, that really exists - two man crew, deployable by Chinook or Ch-53. That was funny thing too. Too bad I lost pictures, can anybody from Germany/France help?

if you mean lightly armoured vehicles with chains, that are called "Waffenträger" (and they arent porpused to be more) or in english "weapon carrier", just cuz your lame country hasnt got any of them, it doesnt mean they are as crappy as you are!

I guess you mean Wiesel/Wiesel II/Ozelot:











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btw. you troll, those arent to replace such vehicles:








but are there as light vehicles, mainly for paratroopers, they are better for offroad purpuses and have better armour than cars, so whats wrong with using them?

[edit on 27-3-2005 by Wodan]

but if you wanna talk about FCV, well.. germany has also an idea (but not to replace the huger vehicles, just to support them

Yeah the future tanks will be lighter and more maneuverable. I don't like having lighter armored vehicles and no MBT. I think it will leave troops venerable and leave infantry forces out in the open.

westpoint - what unit do you serve with?

The U.S future soldier thing looks dodgy on principle to me.

I mean, i still don't get how "information technology" will protect troops from gunfire. Eventually, some peasant with an Ak-47 will get a shot on you.

Thanks Wodan, that's the vehicle I was looking for (Wiesel). I never said they will replace tanks or that there is something wrong with them I just thought they look funny. What is the fourth one carriing? It looks like anti aircraft version with something like stingers or? And are they really being deployed, or is it only some cancelled project?

westpoint - what unit do you serve with?

I don't serve with any unit, as I am only 17.

Isn`t it a waste of time equiping the Germany army as there govt never wants to go to war? Unless they can be sure that there is no fighting to be done,no chance civillians getting killed or having to kill people !!!

Originally posted by rapier28
The U.S future soldier thing looks dodgy on principle to me.

I mean, i still don't get how "information technology" will protect troops from gunfire. Eventually, some peasant with an Ak-47 will get a shot on you.

the thing is that with information tech it will help you pervent you from getting shot by you going one step ahead of everybody.

Originally posted by ulshadow
the thing is that with information tech it will help you pervent you from getting shot by you going one step ahead of everybody.

yes, i've heard that but the details are lacking.

modern technology is wonderful but to get to the "all-knowing" stage, to me at least, seems more fiction then reality. The notion of war being quick, clean and free of casualties is more a hollywood obsession then a military doctrine.

Originally posted by weirdo
Isn`t it a waste of time equiping the Germany army as there govt never wants to go to war? Unless they can be sure that there is no fighting to be done,no chance civillians getting killed or having to kill people !!!

not exactly
the military has to protect germany of "military, diplomatic or economically extortion"

so that could also be a hot battle, german forces at the moment just do peacekeeping in former Jugoslavia, Djibuti, Indean ocean, Afghanistan, some elite forces do missions against terrorists in afghan mountains, or do counter terrorist jobs in foreign countrys, and the most part of our troops protect the own soil:

Germany has:

ARMY:

land vehicles in use:


573 Leopard 1 (MBT, the tank, canada still uses)
1552 Leopard 2 (MBT, actual version is Leopard 2 A6M)

1086 JPz Jaguar (tank-hunter)
537 TPz Fuchs Grundversion (armoured infantry carrier)
87 TPz Fuchs Eloka (electronical combat)
300 TPz Fuchs Funk (communication)
106 TPz Fuchs ABC (anti-nbc, were more, but some got donated to the usa)
408 Luchs (recon tank)
202 Fennek (lightly armoured recon vehicle)
144 Dingo (armoured patrol vehicle)
55 Dingo II (armoured patrol vehicle)
388 Mungo (light infantry carrier for paratroopers)
16 DURO (multi purpose vehicle)
209 LARS (unarmoured truck with 110mm cannon)
21 Light Infantry Vehicle for Special Operations (LIV (SO)) (G-Modell 270 CDI) (for elite forces)
(over) 4.000 TPz M 113 (several versions)

light chained armoured weapon carriers for paratroopers:
133 WafTrg Wiesel 1 MK 20 (20mm Mauser machine cannon)
210 WafTrg Wiesel 1 TOW (anti-tank)
94 WafTrg Wiesel 2 120mm Mörser (120mm motar)
15 WafTrg Wiesel 2 San (medic)
50 WafTrg Wiesel 2 OZELOT Waffenträger (different kinds, as ex. anti-aircraft with rockets)
10 WafTrg Wiesel 2 OZELOT Aufklärer (recon)
7 WafTrg Wiesel 2 OZELOT Führung (command)

408 FlakPz Gepard (anti aircraft, two cannons)
140 FlaRakPz 1 Roland (anti aircraft, with rockets)
(yet just) 185 PzH2000 (155mm self propelled tank howitzer)
509 PzH M109
2.136 Marder (armoured tracked infantry carrier with cannon)
154 MARS (germanized MLRS(dif. electronics, armour, weapon carriers...))
274 Bv206 tracked vehicles
105 Brückenlegepanzer 1 Biber (brigde laying tank)
300 Skorpion (Mine-shyer)
579 Bergepanzer 2(A2/A3)/Büffel (recovery-tank)
140 Pionier Panzer 1A1/2 (sapper-tank)
72 MiRPz Keiler (mine-clearance)

air vehicles in army:
80 UHU Tiger (Apache Longbow equivalent, more than 80 will follow)
104 NH90 (transport helicopter)
350 UH-1D Bell
312 Bo 105
112 CH-35G
15 EC135
140 Drohne CL 289 (drones)


AIRFORCE:
212 Tornado IDS
34 Tornado ECR
40 Tornado RECCE
175 F4-F Phantom
175 Alpha Jet
180 (in future that number) Eurofighter

2304 Patriot (not the standard but german modernized ones, so they can fight also modern missiles etc.)
450 HAWK
1056 Roland rockets (on the wheeled airforfce Roland's)
In future MEADS, where germany participates on the project

7 Airbus A310
6 Challenger CL601
3 Cougar AS.532
110 C-160 Transall
114 UH-1D
30 NH-90
33 T-37B
41 T-38A Talon
80 (anywhere...) A400M

NAVY:

3 Saxony-class anti-aircraft ships(destroyers)
4 Brandenburg-class fregates
8 Bremen-class fregates
10 Gepard (fast boats with rockets),
10 Albatros (fast boats with rockets)
10 Tiger (fast boats with rockets)
4 U212 (hydrogenium driven submarines)
12 U206 (diesel subs)
5 Kulmbach-class (anti-mine ships)
10 Frankenthal-class (anti-mine ships)
5 Ensdorf ("Hohlstablenkboote" (small military ships))
2 Berlin-class (support ships, 20,240 tons/149 sailors)
3 Oste-class (flot service ship, 3200 tons/36 sailors)
6 Elbe-class (Tender, 3200 tons/70 sailors)
4 Walchensee-class (Tanker, 3586 tons/21 sailors)
2 Lüngeburg-class (support ship, 4068 tons/72 sailors)
2 Röhn-class (tanker, 14260 tons/42 sailors)
3 Barbe-class (multi puropose landing ships)
1 Westerwawld (ammonation transporter, 1080 tons/35 sailors)
1 Fehrmann (hauler)
3 Wangerooge-class (hauler)
112 Tornado (Navyfighterbomber/Recce)
8 P3 C Orion (anti-sub/supervision plane)
17 Breguet 1150 Atlantic I (anti-sub/supervision plane)
2 Dornier Do228-201LM (supervision plane)
2 Dornier Do228-201LT (transport plane)
24 Sea Lynx (sub-hunt/rescue helicopter)
21 Sea-King (transport/rescue helicopter)
38 MH-90 (sub-hunt/rescue helicopter)




The german forces are fastly on buying newstuff these days, and I know bout many new stuff as examply armoured tracked infantry carriers they will buy in big numbers next years, but didnt mention them as that would take to much time.

I just wanted to show the numbers, so you see german forces arent totally crappy, they are still big enough to defend germany!

And we have such a military cuz there are countrys that have their militarys for other jobs...

Originally posted by longbow
Thanks Wodan, that's the vehicle I was looking for (Wiesel). I never said they will replace tanks or that there is something wrong with them I just thought they look funny. What is the fourth one carriing? It looks like anti aircraft version with something like stingers or? And are they really being deployed, or is it only some cancelled project?

you mean I guess..


its Wiesel 2 Ozelot Stinger, and it has 4 rocket launchers for stingers on it, germany has yet 468 Wiesel weapon carriers, but will get more in future (all for the paratroopers as far as I know)



it wont cancilled, well.. it isnt exactly what I would call useful for peacekeeping missions, but they use it(the third wiesel picture I showed already in that topic, was in afghanistan):





a native that earns some cents for his familiy:
















germans and russians that meet in former jugoslavia(with wiesel in pics):



as this was a fun thread from the beginning I guess nobody is angry about me posting some pictures


[edit on 28-3-2005 by Wodan]

Wow... no need for so many pictures. Its a good thin that most of them don't work or else this thread would really slow down.
And the Information Age or “Centric Warfare” is really helpful in completing a war fast and with precision like never before.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Wow... no need for so many pictures. Its a good thin that most of them don't work or else this thread would really slow down.
And the Information Age or “Centric Warfare” is really helpful in completing a war fast and with precision like never before.

on my side all work, well maybe cuz you are from america they dont work for you ...

Originally posted by WestPoint23

westpoint - what unit do you serve with?

I don't serve with any unit, as I am only 17.

oh , well thats does actually explain alot then.

In the same theme as light tanks the brits have just developed a 'light' APC

www.qinetiq.com...