Conditioning Americans for Incoming Epidemic of Covid Vaccine-Induced Blood Clot Traumas.

originally posted by: Imperator2

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
You know there are vaccines that prevent infection and transmission cannot occur.

Covid "Vaccines do not prevent infection".

Yup!

Well, of course they don't. What do you not understand about "immunity"?

originally posted by: Imperator2

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imperator2

Vaccines do not prevent infection. They provide increased immunity from symptoms.

That's how they have always worked and I thought most folk knew that. Apparently not.

Some vaccines provide sterilizing immunity. You can feel free to look them up online using your preferred search method.

The point was being made in regards to "moving the goal posts". The vaccine was billed as "if you got it, you dont need to use any precautions! No mask! No social distancing requirements! Life is back to normal for you!".. which of course was then changed.

Which means that people were lied to. They knew that this vaccine did not provide that level of sterilizing immunity - but they sold it to people like it would function in a similar fashion. Then the goal posts were moved.. when people started getting sick again with full vaccinations.

To borrow a line from you..

"...and I thought most folk knew that. Apparently not."

Not in the UK. Where the vaccines have worked by drastically reducing hospitalisations.

It seems to be you that likes to move the goalposts and go for straw man arguments.

a reply to: carewemust

Ya know, for a guy I originally didn't like much; I think y'all are doing okay! Keep it up!

As for the 'blood clots' thing; From VAERS: 1.5% of adverse events are caused by some sort of blood clot event. A few resulting in death, a few more requiring hospitalization, and some resulting in disability (I can get those numbers if anyone likes).

It seems that most recover from the event, but, we don't have any long term data to tell us how those "recovered" people might be doing. Blood clots are tricky things; they can 'live' within you for years before dislodging and causing serious damage.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Chance321
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Seriously? You think that the scandal chasing, click baiting, garbage snooping MSM wouldn't jump the chance expose such a juicy story? The journalist who exposed something like this would be set for life. Just look at the guys who broke the child abuse scandal in the church, or watergate.

I think your under the assumption that the media is free. It isn't it's a large part of the propaganda machine pushing this (sic) vaccine and they'll push the story as their masters tell them. Anyone exposing it would be out period.

So, you're saying that there isn't a single free media outlet anywhere on the entire planet?

Given that journalists only this month published the Pandora files, and the existence of groups like Wikileaks, I think that maybe you're living in some paranoid fantasy world.

Problem is the mainstream media is all most people go to for news. Yes you are right, there is other info out there but most people trust "the news", always have and sit down for their daily dose of it. Here in canada we have a government sponsored media in the CBC which has, in the two covid years, basically shut down most outside reporting of anything but covid. I kid you not, there was literally a black out on the world outside of canada though it is coming back somewhat. This may not have been entirely intentional but a product of each individual journalist wanting their 15 minutes of fame and to stay relevant they had to report on covid 24/7. That isn't the true spirit of journalism.

Also the commentary pages are virtually swept clean of any dissenting voice. This all amounts to propaganda in the CBC and echoes on down through most provincial and local media.

So, the info is out there but largely unavailable to a trusting public. We are virtually covid free here but thanks to CBC, CNN and friends my unvaccinated butt isn't welcome at my healthy parent's home. They have been terrified by the news but would never think to look beyond it.

What you are doing here by saying another poster is living in a paranoid fantasy world dismisses the insane level of propaganda we are under, which also includes those controlling any negative outcome of reporting such as the Pandora files so it amounts to nothing. What people here are trying to express is that this controlling of the narrative points to the existence of something suspicious to control.

"Not in the UK. Where the vaccines have worked by drastically reducing hospitalisations.

It seems to be you that likes to move the goalposts and go for straw man arguments."


I dont think you are following what is being said. It's with regards to how the "vaccine" was sold to the public. Are you disputing that the "no mask, no social distancing and life back to normal" approach was not used originally with this?

I will help you out a bit here.

That's exactly how they sold the vaccine to the public. They then decided to "move the goal posts".

This means they either..

1) They actually believed it would provide long term sterilizing immunity levels of protection. What about the supposed testing that was done prior to going public?

2) They knew it would not provide that level of protection but intentionally mislead the public about it in order to get more people to take it.

3) They had no idea what it would do, how long it would provide protection or how it would function.

Do you think any of those scenarios is acceptable?

If yes, then you most likely cannot be reasoned with.

If no, then you need to start asking why they would behave in such a manner? Why wouldn't they just be honest about it from the start? Could there be another motivation for pushing it in a openly misleading way? What else are they misleading us about regarding this entire situation?

You should ask questions about things that dont look entirely right.

"Not in the UK. Where the vaccines have worked by drastically reducing hospitalisations.

It seems to be you that likes to move the goalposts and go for straw man arguments."


www.irishtimes.com...

newsrescue.com...

www.visiontimes.com...

www.wbaltv.com...#

www.cnbc.com...

There are plenty more..

You were saying how it makes it "less likely" to be hospitalized? Seems to me like it is still happening at a pretty high rate. Especially when you factor in how many extremely healthy young people - aka people that had next to no chance of hospitalization without the vaccine - are included in the vaccinated numbers which lower the % towards the negative and inflate the "protection" %.

That's not even factoring in the fact fhat the chance for a "breakthrough" case is supposed to be extremely low. So hospitalization should be an extremely low % of that %.

I also wonder how many of the "unvaccinated" are hospitalized from non covid related issues but positive for covid.

So.. there was so mention about goal posts from you again?

originally posted by: TexasTruth
Well the jab sure has turned a certain group into hateful, inconsiderate A holes.

My step dad is a retired physician who was really afraid of covid, got the jab as soon as he could. He’s had terrible side effects. He’s lost his balance which they are blaming on mini strokes, and Shingles. My mom got it because him and she’s going through maintenance treatments from breast cancer, but she hasn’t had any side effects. My wife works at the big Children’s Hospital here and was forced to take it or be fired. Then they are told to sign a waiver for release of liability so you can’t sue them. I told her to quit but she took the first shot and had her arm swell up twice, and lymph nodes swell up huge. She is prone to clots in her legs and thankfully the pharmacist asked her to see a doctor before the second shot. (So they can’t be sued either I guess)

I can’t believe the way these vaxxed/not really vaxxed people are acting, taking these horrid politicians and big Pharma's side against their fellow citizens side. It’s the most disheartening time of my 48 years on this planet.

I have had enough. The crap we deal with everyday on duty as a fireman, and then you have people like this ^ moron saying we are paid off government goons, and calling our law enforcement colleagues pigs all nonchalantly.

The Mayans were dead on balls accurate about the end of the world, and I hate this one.
Hail the Apocalypse! youtu.be...

Nothing like a little TexasTruth. I am really struggling with how they have managed to put the vaxxed and unvaxxed against one another. The passports are asinine. It’s the most dangerous times in my 42 years and I don’t fear the virus that much.

I'm starting to see ATS is filled with the same ole tired arguments from some of the same ole tired players, who've bought into the paradigms of unreality....

Good luck to those of you who took the whackcine... and good luck to those of us who have refused and will continue to refuse, all the way until they fire us, jail us or kill us...

That massive wave of death ole TBird talked about at the very beginning of this $camdemic.... it's most likely coming...

Signed,
A.D.E.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

As game-changing as the Pfizer vaccine (and Moderna's equally effective mRNA-1273 vaccine) may be in affording protection against the COVID-19 illness, the results do not reflect complete "sterilizing immunity."

This is the type of immunity that completely prevents a disease-causing pathogen like COVID-19 from establishing an infection. Sterilizing immunity differs from effective immunity in that the latter can prevent illness but still lead to asymptomatic infection.

Sterilizing immunity remains the holy grail of COVID-19 vaccine research.

COVID-19 Vaccines and Sterilizing Immunity: Goals and Progress
www.verywellhealth.com...

a reply to: igloo

Here in canada we have a government sponsored media in the CBC which has, in the two covid years, basically shut down most outside reporting of anything but covid.

The internet is like that.

Try looking for any info about 'sterilizing immunity' online.

All that comes up is about covid......and the covid vaccine does not even offer 'sterilizing immunity'.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
You know there are vaccines that prevent infection and transmission cannot occur.

Covid "Vaccines do not prevent infection".

Which ones?

The ones that offer 'sterilizing immunity'.

Vaccines act by two broad main mechanisms. They can block infection occurring entirely or they can halt the progression to symptoms after infection occurs.1 The most direct pathway to population immunity is the first mechanism, also known as sterilising immunity. Because, if a person cannot get infected, they cannot transmit.

www.thelancet.com...(21)00870-9/fulltext
(Found this on 🦆🦆 go.)

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: igloo

Here in canada we have a government sponsored media in the CBC which has, in the two covid years, basically shut down most outside reporting of anything but covid.

The internet is like that.

Try looking for any info about 'sterilizing immunity' online.

All that comes up is about covid......and the covid vaccine does not even offer 'sterilizing immunity'.

Yes. I had to go to duckduckgo to find anything that wasnt about how "safe and effective the Pfizer c19 vax" is. Even then I had to go through plenty of nonsense to find anything.

Manipulation of the search returns when looking for a simple and common vaccine term should be alarming for people.

a reply to: Imperator2
Indeed.

originally posted by: macaronicaesar

originally posted by: TexasTruth
Well the jab sure has turned a certain group into hateful, inconsiderate A holes.

My step dad is a retired physician who was really afraid of covid, got the jab as soon as he could. He’s had terrible side effects. He’s lost his balance which they are blaming on mini strokes, and Shingles. My mom got it because him and she’s going through maintenance treatments from breast cancer, but she hasn’t had any side effects. My wife works at the big Children’s Hospital here and was forced to take it or be fired. Then they are told to sign a waiver for release of liability so you can’t sue them. I told her to quit but she took the first shot and had her arm swell up twice, and lymph nodes swell up huge. She is prone to clots in her legs and thankfully the pharmacist asked her to see a doctor before the second shot. (So they can’t be sued either I guess)

I can’t believe the way these vaxxed/not really vaxxed people are acting, taking these horrid politicians and big Pharma's side against their fellow citizens side. It’s the most disheartening time of my 48 years on this planet.

I have had enough. The crap we deal with everyday on duty as a fireman, and then you have people like this ^ moron saying we are paid off government goons, and calling our law enforcement colleagues pigs all nonchalantly.

The Mayans were dead on balls accurate about the end of the world, and I hate this one.
Hail the Apocalypse! youtu.be...

Nothing like a little TexasTruth. I am really struggling with how they have managed to put the vaxxed and unvaxxed against one another. The passports are asinine. It’s the most dangerous times in my 42 years and I don’t fear the virus that much.

Divide and conquer. A divided country can fall from the inside or in this case be transformed from the inside far easier than a united one. So separate people into groups based on nonsense like race, religion, political party etc.. then turn the groups on a group. Repeat until there is so much animosity that reunification around a shared set of beliefs, customs or ideas is nearly impossible. Impose new world order to "thunderous applause".

Sad that we do not have people in power willing to step up and stop this. The military should be preserving and defending our constitution. They know what is going on and what it will lead to. Instead they are worried about the taliban not flying rainbow flags.

a reply to: MiddleInsite


Blood clots aren't the only issue, and they do not affect everyone. So just because you have a shot doesn't mean you will be one of the unlucky ones.

But that also means you shouldn't be forced to take it if you are the unlucky ones...

There are recorded cases of many blood clots post vaccine (not just this one)

It's a normal side effect, that when accounted for shouldn't be very high.....we are seeing a very high number of side effects .....


Heart palpitations....I know a few people who suddenly started getting them a few months later this year .... And I know someone who got appendectomy a week after the shot, and I know someone who got Bell's palsy, and I know someone who has a their arm nerves seem a bit off. There are plenty of Cases of spontaneous abortion and miscarriage and all manner of other problems. Like the bleeding, the ruptured blood vessels, and more....and the fact that every main city has the same 'saline mixed in with he legit vac'

Never ends with this #. If it's not 1 thing then we move to the next.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: M5xaz
BS, the anti-vax position is as much a position from fear as the pro-vax one.

The thing is that a covid infection carries the same propensity for those who will succumb to the circulat0ory issues as those who opt for the vax.

Effed either way.

Umm, no.

With Covid itself, only the virus circulates with its' clot-causing spike proteins
With the Covid vaccine - it CAUSES your own body to produce unlimited amounts of Covid spike proteins for MONTHS

Would you like the obituary of one my closest family friends who died last month due to the shot? 32 year old, the exactly clot referenced.. few weeks after second shot. Maybe you’d like to donate to his expecting wife’s new born scheduled to enter this world, fatherless, any day. THE SHOT IS KILLING PEOPLE. I known 3, personally. It is mot conspiracy. What is, is the blatant deflection going on.



a reply to: MiddleInsite

Id assume the purpose of this thread is to share an opinion. Not be guilted or talked down to, because it’s a different opinion to your own. Man, to live as bickering troll. reply to: nonspecific

And that is within your little circle of friends.. Expand your bubble and you might find that this is true.. Even on a lower scale, as they increase throughout these trying times.. I personally know of 5 around my friends and co-workers that this has happened to = Even within the vaccinated group.. stop being cynical

a reply to: MiddleInsite