Vaccine Shedding and Parallel Societies

Apparently, it is possible that vaccinated people can shed part of the vaccine to unvaccinated people, perhaps through skin contact or bodily fluids. This notion is personally terrifying and to me demonstrates outrageous assault on society. Vaccine shedding raises the risk factor dramatically of the vaccine and the sheer belligerence of it. It is a complete and utter assault! Needless to say, such capabilities in vaccines should be highly illegal in my opinion and never considered. It attacks the very essence of free will and our constitutional rights! With this notion, these people's betrayal of the people is utterly complete.

Mandates are bad enough, but if vaccinated people can shed the vaccine to everyone, then that complicates the calculus drastically, as it is no longer enough to refuse the vaccine, one must take precautions against the vaccinated itself, which is a deplorable notion to be forced shun people, not to mention the infeasibility of it. Now we must ask everyone if they are vaccinated before hugging people or shaking hands? That's not ideal in social situations at all.

Informed people should be outraged about this. It seems the only solution is to create parallel societies, completely removed from this hyrda of capitalism and politics. This system is way to dangerous and belligerent. Simply don't feed the beast, stop participating in it, and slowly remove there power base. If enough of us stop paying taxes by earning below the threshold amount, 10k, that should do the trick. No careers, jobs, or anything that feed the economy or taxes, increasing the size of the government and the pockets of the rich. Parallels systems, off grid, and completely self sufficient are possible, utilizng all high technology etc. I'm not suggesting returning to caveman days, just a different mode and function of societies and neighborhoods. It seems more and more people are becoming aware of the necessity of changing the fabric of society and are becoming awake of the unreliability of the system itself, which cares not for anyone it seems. Getting food and water in society is only as reliable as supply chains, and if those are broken without secondary localized and organized supporting systems, then its game over. The system itself is vulnerable. If nothing else good comes of the corona virus, seeing the reality of this fact is bound to happen sooner or later.

Don't want to be the grammar nazi guy but I'm pretty sure its Shed not Shred

originally posted by: ATruGod
Don't want to be the grammar nazi guy but I'm pretty sure its Shed not Shred

Haha, thanks, fixed

As it stands (yeah chances and odds may vary of Covid infection), but there are people who still get infected and sick after previous infections, and there are cases of people still getting sick after being fully vaccinated.
There are people who had both previous infections and are fully vaccinated who still get seriously ill.
So social distancing (without handshakes and hugging) is still a good idea.

Thanks for revisiting this idea as I believe I was affected by this having temporary heart issues for a couple months after people around me got the vax, which leads me to my question: Which society are those affected by shedding going to participate in? We know they aren't welcome with the unvaxxed.

Also, can you add some links to any new info on shedding?

originally posted by: igloo
Thanks for revisiting this idea as I believe I was affected by this having temporary heart issues for a couple months after people around me got the vax, which leads me to my question: Which society are those affected by shedding going to participate in? We know they aren't welcome with the unvaxxed.

Also, can you add some links to any new info on shedding?

Here's a link:

www.cdc.gov...:%2Bwhat%20%2Bis%20%2BVaccine%20%2Bshedding:sem.b:p:RG:GM:genTN:FY21

"Vaccine shedding is the term used to describe the release or discharge of any of the vaccine components in or outside of the body. Vaccine shedding can only occur when a vaccine contains a weakened version of the virus. None of the vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. contain a live virus. mRNA and viral vector vaccines are the two types of currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines available."

originally posted by: igloo
Thanks for revisiting this idea as I believe I was affected by this having temporary heart issues for a couple months after people around me got the vax, which leads me to my question: Which society are those affected by shedding going to participate in? We know they aren't welcome with the unvaxxed.

Also, can you add some links to any new info on shedding?

Scientist Walter Chestnut, who was the first to identify the copper/iron dysregulation that's responsible for Covid and spike protein-caused illness, points to a study that was published Friday. It shows a statistically significant number of non-classical monocytes [the first line of defense in your immune system's recognition and clearance of pathogens] contained Covid S1 protein in both severe and Long Covid patients. The study went out to 15 months post infection.

Note that the S1 protein has even been found in the monocytes of people who tested negative for Covid.

Chestnut says:

"Why is this important? Because non-classical and intermediate monocytes... scour the ENDOTHELIUM [inner lining of the blood cells] looking for pathogens and grind them up to present to adaptive immune cells [which are supposed to eliminate them]. However, the S1 subunit is like 'grist' that cannot be 'chewed' by the monocyte.

The vaxxes are designed to attack the S2 subunit of the spike protein. But while the vax-triggered antibodies attack the S2, the S1 gets cleaved off and starts freely circulating. And it's the S1 subunit that is dangerous to the endothelium and the blood brain barrier.

Plus, in animal studies, antibodies against the S2 subunit were non-neutralizing anyway. That means the S2 antibodies created by the vax don't protect the body from the harm of the spike proteins.

This means:

1. The vax doesn't protect you from Covid or spike protein disease because it creates antibodies that attack the wrong thing and also fail to neutralize what they do attack.

2. Your natural immune system has trouble dealing with the S1 subunit that circulates around doing the major damage)

I don't know to what degree shedding affects non-vaccinated, but I do know Pfizer admitted it happens. My other thread goes into their Clinical Procedure guidelines to report any skin contact that a vaccinated person had with an unvaccinated as an emergency incident. If it was a female and they fell pregnant they were immediately removed from the clinical trial. Why would that be if it wasn't semi-serious?
www.algora.com...

I know the spike protein is cytotoxic, so being around it is not good for you. Being around just the spike protein from people who had the mRNA vaccines (you have to remember the mRNA vaccines have no virus and they just produce the spike protein - not the virus) that could lead you for a nasty surprise and a suboptimal immune response reaction if you get infected with wild type covid, but that can also happen if you get natural immunity through natural exposure to wild type and then you come into contact with a different chimeric recombinant coronavirus bioweapon that triggers the same antibody reaction from the first exposure, causing a binding but non-neutralising antibody reaction which could lead to the exhaustion of T-lymphocytes and the immortalisation of cell monocytes which can then lead to out of control viral replication and the immune system shutting down, and then you getting knocked out by a regular flu. Take that how you will.

peckford42.wordpress.com... - Vaccinated carry 251 times the viral load as unvaccinated (the mRNA produces large large quantities of spike protein - it turns their bodies into spike protein producing factories and it injects the MRNA directly into their bloodstream - if a magnetoprotein was recombined with coronavirus it could cross the blood brain barrier and attach to the neurons there and the person would legitimately be susceptible to mind control.

mRNA should never leave the nucleus of the cell either, injecting mRNA into the bloodstream can have it cross the blood brain barrier where it becomes a prion (a misfolded or foreign protein that shouldn't be there) and can cause Alzheimers, CJD or other neurodegenerative effects. Definitely do not get injected with the stuff into the veins where it does not belong. This has never been a risk before with other vaccines because no other vaccines used were MRNA vaccines.
principia-scientific.com... - Science Journals: Pfizer Covid Vaccine May Cause CJD
scivisionpub.com... - COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease

www.theguardian.com... - Genetically engineered 'Magneto' protein remotely controls brain and behaviour

Next, the researchers inserted the Magneto DNA sequence into the genome of a virus, together with the gene encoding green fluorescent protein, and regulatory DNA sequences that cause the construct to be expressed only in specified types of neurons. They then injected the virus into the brains of mice, targeting the entorhinal cortex, and dissected the animals’ brains to identify the cells that emitted green fluorescence. Using microelectrodes, they then showed that applying a magnetic field to the brain slices activated Magneto so that the cells produce nervous impulses.

To determine whether Magneto can be used to manipulate neuronal activity in live animals, they injected Magneto into zebrafish larvae, targeting neurons in the trunk and tail that normally control an escape response. They then placed the zebrafish larvae into a specially-built magnetised aquarium, and found that exposure to a magnetic field induced coiling manouvres similar to those that occur during the escape response. (This experiment involved a total of nine zebrafish larvae, and subsequent analyses revealed that each larva contained about 5 neurons expressing Magneto.)

In one final experiment, the researchers injected Magneto into the striatum of freely behaving mice, a deep brain structure containing dopamine-producing neurons that are involved in reward and motivation, and then placed the animals into an apparatus split into magnetised a non-magnetised sections. Mice expressing Magneto spent far more time in the magnetised areas than mice that did not, because activation of the protein caused the striatal neurons expressing it to release dopamine, so that the mice found being in those areas rewarding. This shows that Magneto can remotely control the firing of neurons deep within the brain, and also control complex behaviours

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: igloo
Thanks for revisiting this idea as I believe I was affected by this having temporary heart issues for a couple months after people around me got the vax, which leads me to my question: Which society are those affected by shedding going to participate in? We know they aren't welcome with the unvaxxed.

Also, can you add some links to any new info on shedding?

Here's a link:

www.cdc.gov...:%2Bwhat%20%2Bis%20%2BVaccine%20%2Bshedding:sem.b:p:RG:GM:gen

TN:FY21

"Vaccine shedding is the term used to describe the release or discharge of any of the vaccine components in or outside of the body. Vaccine shedding can only occur when a vaccine contains a weakened version of the virus. None of the vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. contain a live virus. mRNA and viral vector vaccines are the two types of currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines available."

Yes, you're so funny and got in there quick. Consider me schooled...not.

Science needs us to ask these further questions, away from corporate agencies like the CDC. Sorry, must take my inquiry deeper than the mainstream when there are censored scientists saying this is a possibility, at least for now.

But you do you. Case closed. Not interested. Something is fishy with the whole covid wanking our chains so every avenue needs looked at.

Editing to add... keep in mind that some of us can gather ten opposing bits of info and filter through for commonalities. Truth is often contained in those commonalities and we don't ever have to believe any of the sources other than they are pointing to something else. Not all minds are satisfied with a hand out answer from an abusive corporation or government. Hint: we don't have to believe it all to cross reference it, so all you folk who think us lesser because we follow up on bizarre leads don't understand the process. It isn't believing necessarily, it's following leads.

a reply to: TTU77

I have been hugging and shaking hands with 'vaccinated' folks for months now and I am perfectly fine. *knock on wood* I don't think this whole 'shedding' theory has any merit.

So this is from the Pfizer study starting page 67. I can't find it on the pfizer site anymore. pfizervax.pdf

8.3.5.1. Exposure During Pregnancy
An EDP occurs if:
• A female participant is found to be pregnant while receiving or after discontinuing
study intervention.
• A male participant who is receiving or has discontinued study intervention exposes a
female partner prior to or around the time of conception.
• A female is found to be pregnant while being exposed or having been exposed to
study intervention due to environmental exposure. Below are examples of
environmental exposure during pregnancy:
• A female family member or healthcare provider reports that she is pregnant after
having been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact.
PF-07302048 (BNT162 RNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccines)
Protocol C4591001
Page 68
• A male family member or healthcare provider who has been exposed to the study
intervention by inhalation or skin contact then exposes his female partner prior to
or around the time of conception.

I welcome any other interpretation of this. I am reading it as three examples of exposure during pregnancy, with example 4 and 5 being examples of 3.

1. Female becomes pregnant during trials.
2. Male exposed female partner while involved in the trial.
3. Female becomes exposed through environmental exposure then finding herself pregnant with two following examples being...
4.Female, family member or healthcare worker, becomes pregnant while exposed to product through inhalation or skin contact.
5. Male, family member or healthcare worker, who contacts the product through inhalation or skin contact then exposes a female partner.

Some of it is logical; a healthcare worker could accidentally break a vial of the vaccine on themselves and be expose to much more than a normal dose but much of it sounds just like couples can pass it during sex. If this is the case, we have shedding. Not necessarily in the same mechanism as traditional vaccine shedding but in it's own unique way.

originally posted by: halfoldman
As it stands (yeah chances and odds may vary of Covid infection), but there are people who still get infected and sick after previous infections,

If you're talking about unjabbed, these are - to use a favorite term of the pro-jabbers - extremely rare.

and there are cases of people still getting sick after being fully vaccinated.

Considerably more rare than these.

There are people who had both previous infections and are fully vaccinated who still get seriously ill.
So social distancing (without handshakes and hugging) is still a good idea.

Yeah, no thanks, you can take your fear/doom-porn-mongering somewhere else, I'm 100%, totally and absolutely done with your '2 weeks to flatten the curve' BS.

There is one way and one way only out of this mess.

Real herd immunity, which can only come from UNJABBED getting it and recovering.

Jabs can never create true herd immunity like natural immunity can.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: halfoldman
As it stands (yeah chances and odds may vary of Covid infection), but there are people who still get infected and sick after previous infections,

If you're talking about unjabbed, these are - to use a favorite term of the pro-jabbers - extremely rare.

and there are cases of people still getting sick after being fully vaccinated.

Considerably more rare than these.

There are people who had both previous infections and are fully vaccinated who still get seriously ill.
So social distancing (without handshakes and hugging) is still a good idea.

Yeah, no thanks, you can take your fear/doom-porn-mongering somewhere else, I'm 100%, totally and absolutely done with your '2 weeks to flatten the curve' BS.

There is one way and one way only out of this mess.

Real herd immunity, which can only come from UNJABBED getting it and recovering.

Jabs can never create true herd immunity like natural immunity can.

I thought this was the case for a long time.

Now i'm against catching it all together.

Although I agree that natural immunity is best and the vaccine will destroy your immune system. (particularly the Type 1 immune response which involves killer CD8 T-cells.)

You're far better off without the vax with your natural immune system, strengthening it with vitamin D and zinc.

I think its a bad idea to go looking to catch the virus, because if you catch it (or even if you are exposed to too much spike protein shedding) then you'll make antibodies which may become non-binding antibodies when you get infected with the wild type mutation of covid, or worse, another bioweapon chimeric coronavirus but spliced with entirely different viruses.

In those instances you'd have a binding and non neutralising antibody response, which will lead to the infection building up and poor outcomes of the disease on secondary infection with a significantly different mutation, or a completely different chimeric coronavirus. (this is why we generally dont vaccinate against highly mutable diseases, because the secondary challenge causes ADE since highly mutable diseases evade vaccination vectors quickly.)

In that #ty scenario, at least unvaccinated have their Th1 killer CD8 T-cells as a last line of defense which may give us a fighting chance where the Th2 strain specific antibodies create a non neutralising effect. Although that line of defense involves your body deploying Th1 killer cells which attack everything indescriminately until the invader is killed (its kill or be killed at that point) and cytokine storm happens when you get to that stage.

a reply to: TTU77

I practice social distancing... Away from the jabbers...

originally posted by: igloo
Thanks for revisiting this idea as I believe I was affected by this having temporary heart issues for a couple months after people around me got the vax, which leads me to my question: Which society are those affected by shedding going to participate in? We know they aren't welcome with the unvaxxed.

Also, can you add some links to any new info on shedding?

I think this pretty much says it is so from their studies

Source: Pfizer Clinical Trial Protocol Document media.tghn.org...

EDP: Exposure during pregnancy
8.3.5. Exposure During Pregnancy or Breastfeeding, and Occupational
Exposure Exposure to the study intervention under study during pregnancy
or breastfeeding and occupational exposure are reportable to Pfizer
Safety within 24 hours of investigator awareness.
8.3.5.1. Exposure During Pregnancy An EDP occurs if:
* A female participant is found to be pregnant while receiving or after
discontinuing study intervention.
* A male participant who is receiving or has discontinued study
intervention exposes a female partner prior to or around the time of
conception.
* A female is found to be pregnant while being exposed or having been
exposed to study intervention due to environmental exposure. Below are
examples of environmental exposure during pregnancy:
* A female family member or healthcare provider reports that she is
pregnant after having been exposed to the study intervention by
inhalation or skin contact.
* A male family member or healthcare provider who has been exposed to
the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact then exposes his
female partner prior to or around the time of conception.
media.tghn.org...

This shedding thing sounded fairly unlikely to me when I first heard about, but I'm pretty sure I was affected by a relative who lives with me after they got vaccinated. It definitely made me feel a bit ill and have some minor Covid-like symptoms. If vaccinated people are producing the spike protein and then shedding it outside of the body, that would suggest vaccinated people are like walking vaccine factories, and it's hard for me to believe that isn't intentional. I probably developed some antibody response to the spike protein even though I didn't get the vaccine.

originally posted by: igloo
Thanks for revisiting this idea as I believe I was affected by this having temporary heart issues for a couple months after people around me got the vax, which leads me to my question: Which society are those affected by shedding going to participate in? We know they aren't welcome with the unvaxxed.

Also, can you add some links to any new info on shedding?

You mention heart issues? My 19 year old who is not vaccinated, she lives with two vaccinated people, within this past week she started to develope heart issues, such as her heart hurting her, breathing issues, and a bunch of stuff that is coming out, nausea and severe fatigue. She has never had heart problems her whole life and now she can barely breath and at night has severe chest pain? She thinks she may have covid but the doctors refuse to test her. She recently lost weight and she feels she may have sleep apnea as well. If this is because her friend and her friend's husband is vaccinated I am not sure I want her living there. Her symptoms are scaring me. I am afraid of getting a phonecall stating that my daughter died of a major heart attack at the age of 19! If this is what's really going on, we're all screwed basically.

originally posted by: natoshis
in reply to: tanstaafl
"Jabs can never create true herd immunity like natural immunity can."

I thought this was the case for a long time.

Now i'm against catching it all together.

Well, duh! I'm against 'catching' the flu too (the real flu, which can kick your ass hard just the vid).

Here's the rub though... this is a coronavirus. same family of the common cold.

You are going to be exposed to it, sooner or later. Wouldn't you rather do it under controlled circumstances, where you can do some pre-prep and be ready for the post-treatment?

You're far better off without the vax with your natural immune system, strengthening it with vitamin D and zinc.

I think its a bad idea to go looking to catch the virus,

You say that as if you think I am suggesting people go looking for it. I never said that.

Although I may have said something like "I'd rather be exposed to the virus than take the jab", because I would.

because if you catch it (or even if you are exposed to too much spike protein shedding) then you'll make antibodies which may become non-binding antibodies when you get infected with the wild type mutation of covid, or worse, another bioweapon chimeric coronavirus but spliced with entirely different viruses.

Well, with an engineered bioweapon, all bets are off.

But that doesn't change reality. Covid is here to stay, so we have to deal with it.

a reply to: natoshis

I’m curious, why should mRNA never leave the nucleus? Why is this bad? And then how does mRNA turn into prions when it leaves the nucleus and it isn’t a protein?

Care to explain the actual scientific processes behind T-cell exhaustion and “monocyte immortalization.” What does that even mean here?

The S1 subunit just gets cleaved off and goes crazy? By what? This is actually an effective target and it is used by the immune system.

Stop spreading nonsense, focus on actual problems that we’re seeing like antibody generation against clotting factors and complement signaling via the alternative pathway.

People should be more worried about why and how this virus will not attenuate quickly like other RNA viruses rather than the vaccine that somehow fits all this stuff in it when we are already pretty maxed out with space. Hopefully the politicians don’t figure that one out too or more crap will be forced on people.