For all those that dont think they are chipped.

a reply to: andy06shake

Yes, the basic framework is already there. That's what worries me.

Credit cards/phones have two serious drawbacks: firstly, they are not required by law. Most people at least have a debit card, but I do know a few who do not and don't want one. As for cell phones, I have one, but it can't do any swiping... it's an old flip phone. It works great for calling people and it can handle text and take a picture, but anything more is just not going to work.

Secondly, phones and cards can be stolen. There is nothing on those cards or that phone that would absolutely connect to someone's identity. They can also be counterfeited fairly easily, although the embedded chip (which is actually just an RFID) has helped on that point.

An implantable RFID is beyond the ability of just about everyone to duplicate. Black market chips, when they are rolled out, will be pretty expensive. Then you need someone with a medical lab to implant it unless you want some really nasty infections. Then you have to somehow bypass that database. It's hard to do all that without raising suspicions. Then you have the issue of the number being valid for you... if it's not, then the chip simply won't work. It may operate properly, but the data it gives out will be incorrect.

All that is left is for there to be enough of a "safety concern" to legislate worldwide that everyone must have a chip implanted. Sound familiar?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Oh lordy!, they can read what equates to a cell phone signal from Ganymede, this was yesterday.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Probably a lot more hand thefts in the future. LoL

Invest heavily in machetes?

More realistically, where crime is concerned kidnap.

The chip is already implanted in our phones TheRedneck.

And we took those willingly just because of the pretty screen and pictures.

End of the day all prophecy is self fulfilling down to the very nature of the beast, and i don't mean the devil, even if he is in the details.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Chalcedony

That's nice, anyone chipped like the Original Poster claimed? No? Right.

I didn't say anyone was chipped, I asked what you thought the odds were of something like what DARPA is already developing being mandated like the vaccines are. You replied asking me what something that was external had to do with the bs original post. I replied that it wasn't external. But apparently I overestimated your intellect. I think that is a common mistake around here. Don't worry, mason. We will see whose higher power saves who at the end of it all.

a reply to: anonentity

OMG, I really do have a chip. It’s in my credit card, cellphone, car, passport, etc. In my body? I don’t think so, but one more wouldn’t hurt I guess.

a reply to: Chalcedony
The chip mentioned in the vid in the OP is external so the question was what "that external chip" had to do with the DARPA bs.

At least that is how I understood that post.

a reply to: anonentity

Oh lordy!, they can read what equates to a cell phone signal from Ganymede, this was yesterday.

Did "they" activate the signal from Ganymeade so they could read it?

How powerful was the signal?

What did "they" use to read it?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Chalcedony
I replied that it wasn't external. But apparently I overestimated your intellect.

It is external, did you even bother looking at the size of the chip? It's not injectable, it's to trace the lots. Question your own intellect.

a reply to: andy06shake

The chip is already implanted in our phones TheRedneck.

And we took those willingly just because of the pretty screen and pictures.

Actually, your cell phone does not have an RFID chip. Similar, but not quite the same thing. Your phone has a unique identifier (your phone number, as well as a unique identifier for the device itself used to ensure continuous coverage between towers) that is broadcast both when communication occurs and at regular intervals to maintain tower contact. It functions like an RFID chip in that respect, but the functionality is built into the main CPU, not in a separate chip.

Credit cards have what is essentially an RFID chip. It's pretty large as RFID goes, because there is less restriction on space. Microelectronics is one of those weird areas where smaller costs more.

Now, andy, I have some questions for you: can you leave your phone at home? Can you leave your credit cards at home? Can you go buy a new phone with a new number? Can you get a new credit card? Can you borrow a friends's phone or credit card for a couple hours?

Now consider those same questions with an actual implanted RFID chip: can you leave your hand at home? Can you go buy a new hand? Can you borrow your friend's hand for a couple hours?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Credit cards have what is essentially an RFID chip. It's pretty large as RFID goes, because there is less restriction on space.

Even those can only be read within a few inches and they needed to be activated by an external source, the card reader, so some subcutaneous chip isn't going to be scanned by Skynet like cuckoo bananas think.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I was meaning more a collection of IC and other components where our cell phones are concerned as opposed to a simplistic and limited function RFID chip, and im aware of how our cell phone communication functions and occurs.

You know the answer to those questions TheRedneck, i can indeed do those things, but that don't mean i will do them.

Aside from the credit card scenario where my daughter is in possession of the thing more than myself. LoL

You could always rap you hand in tinfoil or wear a metal glove mate.

That would stop the signal.

Wont stop smartphones ticking all the mark of the beast boxes in the same to similar manner as implanted RFID technology.

End of the day TheRedneck i don't imagine Satan nor the Bible ever envisaged our technological achievements in this age nor knew much about electronic devices nor components nether.

Its interesting all the same, ile give you that.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Even those can only be read within a few inches and they needed to be activated by an external source, the card reader, so some subcutaneous chip isn't going to be scanned by Skynet like cuckoo bananas think.

Exactly. They have no power source in themselves. They have to get their power from a reader, and even then it is just enough for them to turn on, send code "10110001001101001010001100010101001001001" (or something similar), and go quiet when the power signal is removed. It's not like they "ping" every so often the way a cell phone does.

The transmission range on that power source is the limiting factor on proximity. It has to provide power, not just a readable signal.

TheRedneck

a reply to: andy06shake

You know the answer to those questions TheRedneck, i can indeed do those things, but that don't mean i will do them.

You can go to town and leave your hand at home? You can buy a new hand? What kind of sorcery are you conducting?

You could always rap you hand in tinfoil or wear a metal glove mate.

And what good do you think that would do? Do you wrap your credit cards in tinfoil before using them to "stop the signal"?

There is no signal unless the RFID is being accessed, and to be accessed it must be in almost direct contact with a reader. It is not "pinging" anyone while in your pocket.

End of the day TheRedneck i dont imagine Satan nor the Bible ever envisaged our technological achievements in this age nor knew much about electronic devices nor components nether.

I'm sure John had no inkling how things were going to work; they didn't have cell phones in those days, much less RFID. However, that does not mean the events weren't foreseen. I personally find it kinda amazing that 2000 years ago, before electricity itself was even known (outside of a lightning storm), someone foresaw technology that would lead to exactly what we are capable of doing today, even if they didn't understand the technical details.

Scoff all you like.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
They have to get their power from a reader, and even then it is just enough for them to turn on, send code "10110001001101001010001100010101001001001" (or something similar)...

That's the other thing, the kernels are pretty simplistic. The card and reader go through some basic protocols which verify the chip/account and then the transaction is approved. There's barely any information exchanged with EMV chips.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I can go to town with my hand wrapped in foil.

The foil or glove can come off TheRedneck.

They don't need to be a permanent attachment.

So about as good as any RFID Signal Blocking wallet.

Like i said buddy all prophecy is self-fulfilling down to the fact that the persons expectations about someone or something can lead to that someone or something behaving in ways which confirm said expectations.

Its not Scoffing pal we just don't share the same thinking on certain matters or ideologies.

Edit: Should also add if you don't have your cards electronically secured they can indeed read them right out your pocket with the correct hardware and software from about a few foot away.

"Although banks claim that RFID chips on cards are encrypted to protect information, it's been proven that scanners—either homemade or easily bought—can swipe the cardholder’s name and number. (A cell-phone-sized RFID reader powered at 30 dBm (decibels per milliwatt) can pick up card information from 10 feet away."

www.webroot.com...

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The real magic takes place when that ID number is run through the database. That establishes identity and allows database access to a myriad of other databases to determine financial status, legal status, medical information, shopping habits, etc. The RFID chip is just a key to all that. It establishes identity in a format that can then be used for other types of information access.

They could do the same thing with retinal scans, or possibly even fingerprints. But retinal scanning is expensive technology and fingerprints can be covered temporarily. The RFID is cheap, easily implanted, difficult to disable, and simple to use.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
They could do the same thing with retinal scans, or possibly even fingerprints. But retinal scanning is expensive technology and fingerprints can be covered temporarily.

That's all coming, it's a matter of time based on what I saw earlier this week.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Thing with retinal scans is they can often feel invasive to people in ways that say placing their hands against a mere surface scanner would not.

And like you suggest despite their high accuracy rates retinal scanning equipment is still very sophisticated and expensive compared to the other identification alternative technologies available.

a reply to: andy06shake

I can go to town with my hand wrapped in foil.

You're still not understanding how RFID works. Go back and re-read our conversation.

So about as good as any RFID Signal Blocking wallet.

Haha! Somehow I knew you were going to bring those up. Biggest money-making scam to come out in recent years.

Those RFID-blockers are almost useless. It is possible to carry around a reader in one's pocket, yes, and read the data off a card... but that portable reader that can work several inches away is damn expensive as well as being highly illegal. Don't get caught with one! You will not enjoy the results. They are black-market only, if you can find them, and usually hand-made in someone's basement. And even if you were to manage to build/buy one and not get arrested, it still only works within a few inches... maybe if you're packed in a line trying to get into an event and the guy pressed up against you tighter than your best girl on Spanish Fly happens to have a portable reader in his pocket, he might grab a credit card number. An easier way to protect yourself is to have two cards next to each other. If one is activated, both get activated, and the resulting signal is a mixture of the two. Unreadable.

I have one of those things here... insurance company sent it as an unrequested gift. I consider it a curio.

Far, far more dangerous is a fairly simple device that can be attached to the side of a reader. It doesn't have to power the RFID; it just reads numbers as they become available, like when someone swipes their card. The RFID blockers don't work too well in that case, because you are actually using the card. Most scammed numbers come from this kind of device; people put them on card readers, gas pumps, etc. They're tiny and almost impossible to notice unless you know what you're looking for. Also highly, highly illegal.

Like i said buddy all prophecy is self-fulfilling down to the fact that the persons expectations about someone or something can lead to that someone or something behaving in ways which confirm said expectations.

That is possible, but it is also highly unlikely that someone who has no inkling what electricity even is can predict something that is so possible. He could have claimed anything... he could have claimed that people would become magnetic! That would have been a complete fail, because it is simply not physically possible. But he claimed something that was entirely possible today, just not possible in his time.

TheRedneck

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I doubt it will ever take off. Retinal scans are used today; saw some scanners when I worked with NASA. Never used them; different department. But they're so expensive and require so much maintenance that only someone like NASA can afford to use them. RFID is much cheaper and easier to install and maintain.

Fingerprint scanners are too easy to circumvent. The only place they are still used, to my knowledge, is law enforcement, and even that is mostly tradition. Since the identification process is not automated, they still work OK in that circumstance. There's a reason why the cop taking your fingerprints grabs your fingers and forces them across the ink and paper. I don't know if most understand the reason, but there is a reason.

Plus there's the problem that some people are blind; retinal scans won't work on them. Not everyone has a right hand either, but everyone has a forehead and RFID works the same in both places. The hand is just more convenient.

TheRedneck