Freemasonry the truth

As a Freemason of some years standing I have come to the view that as a Freemason we do not like to tell the non Masonic World the things that we do to help people. In Scotland the Freemasons have given a lot of money to non Masonic charities. Last year there was £250,000 given to help set up a hospice for children. All the orders of Freemasonry raised money for the purpose. In Edinburgh the Lodges gave £20,000 to help build a new 'sanctuary' for the new Royal Infirmary. Freemasons give on a regular basis considerable amounts of money to help local charities. As Freemasons we are a part of the local community and we have a part to play in that community.

As a Freemason who has seen Freemasonry in several other countries, I can say that the Masonic fraternity helps the local community with its charitable events. One of the nice things about Freemasonry of which there are many; are the many friendships which are formed around the World.

In my opinion Freemasonry is a great organization that makes the World a better place for all its people.

Bro Gerard

Originally posted by Gerard
In my opinion Freemasonry is a great organization that makes the World a better place for all its people.

You mean we don't blow up people's toilets?!?!? Feed their dogs laxatives?!? Steal their mail? Eat their babies...?

Right on, brother.

As a non-Mason my question is this: How could such a stigma be attached to a group that helps its fellow man? The theories(world domination, etc. etc.) I have read are too creative to be thought up recently by so many people. How do they arrive at these conclusions and proclaim their credibility?

Originally posted by nightbreid
As a non-Mason my question is this: How could such a stigma be attached to a group that helps its fellow man? The theories(world domination, etc. etc.) I have read are too creative to be thought up recently by so many people. How do they arrive at these conclusions and proclaim their credibility?

One of the bigger reasons is because of a hoax from the 1800s. Also, Freemasonry has made many enemies because of the prominent and powerful people who were in the fraternity. Their enemies soon became enemies of masonry in general. It was often speculated that powerful masons were using their power for the whole fraternity, etc.

Freemasonry's secret nature has given its enemies MUCH fodder to speculate and make up exactly what goes on behind closed doors. Since masons could not reveal their secrets, the public had only one side telling them what was "the truth". Many bought it, and Freemasonry is where it is today partly because of that level of secrecy.

Today, masons are revealing more than they have in the past, and an effort is being made to make people aware of what masonry is REALLY about. Where, in the past, policy was just to let anti-masons say what they wanted, now masons refute and contest the outrageous claims made by others. In some places, PR campaigns are being undertaken to make people aware of what Freemasonry is. A lot of people have negative impression of the organization, but a lot of younger people have never heard of it.





[edit on 26-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

If appropriate, could you touch a little more upon "The Hoax of the 1800's"?
It smacks of conspiracy to me...

Originally posted by nightbreid
If appropriate, could you touch a little more upon "The Hoax of the 1800's"?
It smacks of conspiracy to me...

The Leo Taxil Hoax is actually a very well known and very well-documented hoax in which an author/ pornographer falsely quoted a prominent mason/ author of the time, attributing to him claiming that all masons praise lucifer and what not. It caused outrage towards masons at the time, until Leo Taxil, the author, admitted it was all a hoax. Here's the jist of it:

"Perhaps no one aspect of anti-Masonic practice has fueled religious zeal greater than the hoax perpetrated by Leo Taxil, shown above right, on Albert Pike, shown above left, in the late 1800's. This hoax, still accepted today by those who would attempt to condemn Freemasonry, linked the fraternity to Lucifer and therein to Devil worship."

Here's an article about it from a non-masonic source:

en.wikipedia.org...


Or you can read about it further here:

www.thelodgeroom.com...

www.masonicinfo.com...

freemasonry.bcy.ca...



[edit on 26-3-2005 by sebatwerk]

Before I inquired further, why did my gut feeling tell me that the Catholic Church would have their hand in this hoax?

Originally posted by nightbreid
Before I inquired further, why did my gut feeling tell me that the Catholic Church would have their hand in this hoax?

They would rather the money raised for charities go to the vatican?


On a side note, the whole lucifer thing is outragous in it self. Lucifer is a adjective, not a noun. LIke saying great one. it was originaly morning star, wich was the planet venus, as it was the first star to be seen at dusk, and the last to be seen at dawn. The planet venus had the name luficer to the greeks, who translated morning star from hebrew into greek, becoming lucifer. The new international version bible have removed the word lufcifer ( found 1 time in the KJV) entirely, due to confusion it has caused before.

Actually this Leo Taxil guy was a Freemason.
He wrote all sorts of slanderous stuff for years on end but finally went to far and published a book where he claimed the Pope was molesting young girls.
Anyway despite shielding him for years the Masons just left him for dead this time, so he got really annoyed and posted a bunch of their secrets including some letters by Albert Pike.

Despite all the hoo-haa and his retraction later, most of what he published was later verified by others who left the cult.
But all in all the Leo Taxil incident is very minor, it's not something I base any of my information on the cult on, most of it is from personal experience.

I didn't give a rats @rse who they were until they drugged me sensless and tried to brainwash me for 6 months and then spent the next 3 years trying to screw me over/shut me up.

Freemasonry Watch is a good site to look up all this sort of thing on, there one or two things I'm not sure of on the site but most of it is genuine, unlike the official Masonic dis-information sites.

Be warned though, and I mean this quite literally:
All freemasons are patholigcal liers, this is due to the way they are "programmed" to reject all outside and negative information as false and all inside and positive information as true.

I didn't give a rats @rse who they were until they drugged me senseless and tried to brainwash me for 6 months and then spent the next 3 years trying to screw me over/shut me up.

Freemasonry Watch is a good site to look up all this sort of thing on, there one or two things I'm not sure of on the site but most of it is genuine, unlike the official Masonic dis-information sites.

Be warned though, and I mean this quite literally:
All freemasons are patholigcal liers, this is due to the way they are "programmed" to reject all outside and negative information as false and all inside and positive information as true.

Mr Necross I suggest that you take stock and consider that it is you who is a pathological lier. I have yet to see you post anything that you are able to prove. Freemasons do not drug people as that would be criminal and Freemasonry will not accept any Freemason who takes part in such action. If you can prove these things took place, the people who committed them will be kicked out of Freemasonry.

As you will be aware these alleged crimes should be reported to the police for investigation. Why did you not do this.

Bro Gerard

What would the world be like if all the stigmas, underminings, and just plain smear campaigns were finally erased? It sounds utopic, but more would spring up in their place. Reason being, people are selfish. If they can't get what you have, or attain the recognition they think they deserve, they turn to one of the ugliest vilifications mankind possesses: the lie.

Originally posted by nightbreid
What would the world be like if all the stigmas, underminings, and just plain smear campaigns were finally erased? It sounds utopic, but more would spring up in their place. Reason being, people are selfish. If they can't get what you have, or attain the recognition they think they deserve, they turn to one of the ugliest vilifications mankind possesses: the lie.

...and then they turn it into a religion and call it "Freemasonry."
Several thousand books by several thousand people say this is so, I have seen it first hand and still they stand there denying everything.

Originally posted by MrNECROS
...and then they turn it into a religion and call it "Freemasonry."

[edit on 3/27/05 by The Axeman]

gee anytime someone says something negative about the masons the mason trolls will apear. anytime someone says something from personal experiance they are pathalogical liers. kinda makes you wonder who the liers are eh.

guess we just have to listen to them then. remember a mason gets to learn the ultimate truths.indeed they know all, and see all. they must be right.

Originally posted by drogo
gee anytime someone says something negative about the masons the mason trolls will apear. anytime someone says something from personal experiance they are pathalogical liers. kinda makes you wonder who the liers are eh.

guess we just have to listen to them then. remember a mason gets to learn the ultimate truths.indeed they know all, and see all. they must be right.

It's not every time someone says something negative, dude; it's when the same troll posts the same lie for a year and is repeatedly shown to be full of crap, yet still continues to post the same stupid lie. If you look back through that particular troll's posts you will see why Masons are so annoyed with him. I could just as easily say that I know from personal experience that he is a gay circus midget missing three toes on his left foot who has a nasty case of halitosis.

Mr Necros has been challenged time and time again to provide some kind of evidence or ANYTHING to substantiate his claims. The simple truth is he can't because he is LYING!!! Masons know how Masons do business, and what he describes is in NO WAY how things happen. It's so far out there as to be rediculous, and that is why no one takes him seriously. The Masons here always back up what they say, and all he can do is cry about the Masons *supposedly* drugging him senseless, sifting through his mail, destroying his TOILET, and feeding LAXATIVE to his freaking DOG! Come on, dude, what kind of a moron does a guy have to be to come up with stuff like that?

The Masons are good guys, no matter what nut jobs like MrNecros say, and with a little research and a little conversation with Masons, this is all too easy to see.

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Be warned though, and I mean this quite literally:
All freemasons are patholigcal liers, this is due to the way they are "programmed" to reject all outside and negative information as false and all inside and positive information as true.

So it's OK for him to label ALL FREEMASONS as pathological liars, but when we say he is lying, you jump on his bandwagon?

Doesn't say much for you. At least the Masons here have lots of sources and have explained why they say what they say time and time again, yet you people still choose to go with Fruitcake Boy. Geez, indeed; here, I'll do you one better:

Try looking through the threads littered by MrNecros' delusional rants and read the rebuttals by Freemasons and then you tell me who is the liar. If you can't see it then I say you are blind as a damned bat.

Originally posted by drogo
remember a mason gets to learn the ultimate truths.indeed they know all, and see all. they must be right.

The only ones who say this kind of nonsense are you people. No Freemason has ever made such a rediculous claim.

[edit on 3/27/05 by The Axeman]

Which still leaves the FACT:

Every time some one speaks from personal EXPERIENCE against the Masons they are labelled LIARS and TROLLS.

And then, they are accused of being a record-player by Freemasons of all people, who tell them to shut up, we've already heard it.


Hmmm, indeed. Maybe if we actually tried to UNDERSTAND instead of accuse, we could actually learn something? No? Alright, back to NOT wanting personal experience as evidence (because it can't be proven).

Well, let me ask you. What proves that I was born? The fact that I am writing this, or my birth certificate? Backwards isn't it.

A long time ago, I gave up the ignorance of the uninformed and opened my mind. If there is proof, Mr. Necros show me. I take no sides.

Originally posted by akilles
Which still leaves the FACT:

Every time some one speaks from personal EXPERIENCE against the Masons they are labelled LIARS and TROLLS.

And then, they are accused of being a record-player by Freemasons of all people, who tell them to shut up, we've already heard it.


Hmmm, indeed. Maybe if we actually tried to UNDERSTAND instead of accuse, we could actually learn something? No? Alright, back to NOT wanting personal experience as evidence (because it can't be proven).

Well, let me ask you. What proves that I was born? The fact that I am writing this, or my birth certificate? Backwards isn't it.

Fact schmact.

The FACT is that there is no way in hell a Masonic lodge did those things to him. He claims that all this was to coerce him into joining?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! *catches breath and wipes tear of laughter from cheek*

A more likely scenario is that he tried to join, was rejected, and now he has a chip on his shoulder and made up this wild story that is so ridiculous it's just stupid in order to try to smear the Masons' name. Creativity I will hand him, but believability and credibility are DEFINITELY some things he is lacking. That's right Necros, you heard it here, YOU ARE A LIAR. PERIOD.

Again, akilles, you try to make an argument based on an analogy that is totally different than what we are talking about here.

The Masons here ALL speak from personal experience, and they all have had a similar personal experience, yet you believe one person's far fetched LIES over the unified voices of those who have been there, done that, and gotten the proverbial T-shirt? Dude, that's just sad. Par for the course for you though.

Hey why don't you try to take my post and find some way to derive 666 from the text? Then you can say from personal experience that I am the Devil, because you proved it...

What proves you weren't hatched from an egg in the same nest of quacks that gave us MrNecros? Prove that you don't have webbed feet! Hey, I say from personal experience that you have webbed feet, and it's up to you to prove you don't! Silly, isn't it?

Great, another bitch thread.

Just a note folks, changes coming soon to this forum.

Oh, this is Super.

Some people can't act civilized, and now we're all going to get the Iron Fist treatment.

Seriously, you must understand what is proof, and what is symbolism. I merely point out the symbolism, and you are like a sheep, Baah Baah But I want solid evidence Baah. Well, why does the symbolism exist?

Why is 666 the number of the Beast, according to what YOU have studied?

Why does Freemasonry make up riddles for its members, involving Hebrew and the names of God, when Jahbelon-YHWH is clearly contrived to convince people that those who teach you possess GREAT TRUTH, but its just a GREAT RIDDLE!