Lancet Finally Publishes COVID Lab-Leak Information, Arguing No Direct Evidence For Natural Origins

Well, finally the Mainstream of the medical community are waking up to the fact that Covid-19 did not just spring up in nature. I assume they can no longer keep up the BS much longer and are "transitioning" into the truth.

Welcome to the party Lancet. Glad someone can finally start releasing the truth in the mainstream circles.

An appeal for an objective, open, and transparent scientific debate about the origin of SARS-CoV-2

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext

There is so far no scientifically validated evidence that directly supports a natural origin.

Although considerable evidence supports the natural origins of other outbreaks (eg, Nipah, MERS, and the 2002–04 SARS outbreak) direct evidence for a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2 is missing. After 19 months of investigations, the proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 is still lacking. Neither the host pathway from bats to humans, nor the geographical route from Yunnan (where the viruses most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been sampled) to Wuhan (where the pandemic emerged) have been identified.

More than 80 000 samples collected from Chinese wildlife sites and animal farms all proved negative.

A research-related origin is plausible. Two questions need to be addressed: virus evolution and introduction into the human population. Since July, 2020, several peer-reviewed scientific papers have discussed the likelihood of a research-related origin of the virus.

Some unusual features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome sequence suggest that they may have resulted from genetic engineering, an approach widely used in some virology labs. Alternatively, adaptation to humans might result from undirected laboratory selection during serial passage in cell cultures or laboratory animals, including humanised mice.

Mice genetically modified to display the human receptor for entry of SARS-CoV-2 (ACE2) were used in research projects funded before the pandemic, to test the infectivity of different virus strains. Laboratory research also includes more targeted approaches such as gain-of-function experiments relying on chimeric viruses to test their potential to cross species barriers.

a reply to: infolurker

I never felt this virus was natural. The story is that it began in bats. Even if that were true, I still think it was engineered in some way after that. Whether it started in bats and got engineered later or if it was engineered to begin with is the same thing as far as I am concerned: its an engineered disease intentionally let loose on the public.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I think it was engineered and then bats were infected with it, probably during the testing phase, but I do not think is was accidental I thing it was all planned.

a reply to: infolurker

Thank-you for sharing this important find! Starred and Flagged.

As of today, 4.7 million human deaths attributed to Covid-19 globally.

Source: www.worldometers.info...

Is there a World Council of some kind who will determine if criminality was involved, and if so, punish the people involved in committing the mass murder?

So who attacks China 1st?

a reply to: carewemust

US will defend China because US is up to its neck in Chinese crap, US tax dollars pay for some of the research and China is blackmailing, remember when China told the world that US military released the virus? well that was how China warned US and show that it has the government held by their balls.

a reply to: infolurker

lol.

Here's an 'out-there' idea:

Imagine if a disease that seems specifically adapted to one species on the planet, actually arose in that species?

Imagine it was a relatively benign and not particularly infectious cold virus, slightly related to a couple of similar but more dangerous viruses, but this one was really mild, so no-one gave it much mind, and one day it acquired a few mutations that made it more infectious and dangerous at the same time.

a reply to: chr0naut
Hmmm....
It is science.
Why would you argue with the science?

a reply to: infolurker

but what of the reputation of those 30 highly respected scientists and most especially that guy Fauci? Do they just go on as if nothing happened? Oh, damn, forgot. Clown world. Cary on.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: infolurker

lol.

Here's an 'out-there' idea:

Imagine if a disease that seems specifically adapted to one species on the planet, actually arose in that species?

Imagine it was a relatively benign and not particularly infectious cold virus, slightly related to a couple of similar but more dangerous viruses, but this one was really mild, so no-one gave it much mind, and one day it acquired a few mutations that made it more infectious and dangerous at the same time.

Oh bootlicker, your persistence is admirable. Yes, your theory would be wonderful, until you mention the part where it surfaced in WUHAN CHINA, right next to a VIROLOGY lab that takes benign bat viruses and changes their molecular structure to make them more transmissible in humans and more deadly. Once you bring that part into the story, even the really, really, and I do mean really, stupid kids have to start to question things. But I totally get why you don't.

a reply to: chr0naut

The reason it is man made is very simple. It's got fusion cleavage sites which even remotely related coronaviruses don't have. Only some of the most distantly related coronaviruses have fusion cleavage sites. So how did these happen to be in this virus? The only explanation is GOF.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: infolurker

lol.

Here's an 'out-there' idea:

Imagine if a disease that seems specifically adapted to one species on the planet, actually arose in that species?

Imagine it was a relatively benign and not particularly infectious cold virus, slightly related to a couple of similar but more dangerous viruses, but this one was really mild, so no-one gave it much mind, and one day it acquired a few mutations that made it more infectious and dangerous at the same time.

Oh bootlicker, your persistence is admirable. Yes, your theory would be wonderful, until you mention the part where it surfaced in WUHAN CHINA, right next to a VIROLOGY lab that takes benign bat viruses and changes their molecular structure to make them more transmissible in humans and more deadly. Once you bring that part into the story, even the really, really, and I do mean really, stupid kids have to start to question things. But I totally get why you don't.

There are indications that it was in Europe (France and Italy) prior to the outbreak in Wuhan.

There are virology labs there, too.

Also, the virology labs were taking the spike protein sequence (the way the viruses infect a cell) from these bat viruses and inserting it into unfertile virions for testing if it could penetrate human, and food species, cell samples.

None of these bat viruses have the particular spike protein seen in SARS-CoV-2.

originally posted by: trentforce
The reason it is man made is very simple. It's got fusion cleavage sites which even remotely related coronaviruses don't have. Only some of the most distantly related coronaviruses have fusion cleavage sites. So how did these happen to be in this virus? The only explanation is GOF.

The fusion cleavage sites are fairly specific to the human hosts of the virus. It might be that the virus was adapted for its hosts, before becoming pathogenic, perhaps?



Although the spike protein binds to human ACE2 receptors to enter the cell, for the newly formed viruses (covered in spike proteins) to exit the cell, ACE2 must be inhibited, or otherwise they would bind on the way out of the cell and be stuck there. So, in the body of the virus (not its coat) instructs the cell to 'turn-off' ACE2 function. ACE2 is necessary to the healthy function of the cells, and turning off ACE2 causes all the disruptive symptoms that are so deadly.

This is why the spike protein itself is used in vaccines. It isn't deadly because it doesn't turn off ACE2.

Seems some won't accept its the kung flu.
Made in china.
Intentionally released by china.

But hey black market kfc is the way to go; when your whole nation is locked down.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Seems some won't accept its the kung flu.
Made in china.

Possibly, but there were cases in Europe before the outbreak was identified in Wuhan.

Intentionally released by china.

Into one of their own cities?

And clearly the lab leak theory does not fit with intentionality, and the US funding of the alleged research?

But hey black market kfc is the way to go; when your whole nation is locked down.

Those guys were idiots. Fast food places are all open now we are at level 3, which happened mere hours after they were caught. If only they had waited, they could have had their fat fix legitimately.

But the issue was not the KFC, the issue was that they broke quarantine, twice.

Yesterday, there were only 16 new cases of COVID-19 in the community, in the whole country of New Zealand. In the last week there have been 133 new cases, which averages to 19 per day, so it looks like numbers are trending downwards.

Last week in the US, there were 1.031 million new community cases. That averages to more than 147,285 cases a day. And you are suggesting that NZ is something to be ridiculed for it's responses?

(*data taken from the NZ Health site and the Johns Hopkins dashboard).

originally posted by: sciencelol
So who attacks China 1st?

No one; China attacked first the rest of the world capitulated soon after.

a reply to: chr0naut

Australia and New Zealand numbers should be going down now that they are headed into summer. Time will tell.

a reply to: chr0naut

From the outset it is very infectious in humans but not infectious in any other animal species. Chance for this happening naturall is very astronomically small.

originally posted by: ihavethepower
a reply to: chr0naut

From the outset it is very infectious in humans but not infectious in any other animal species. Chance for this happening naturall is very astronomically small.

And yet everyone keeps trying to suggest that the disease came from other animal species? The cognitive dissonance is incredible.

It is clear that the disease arose in humans. Probably a mutation or two from something so benign that it went entirely under the radar.

- It's a human disease.
- It infects no species in such numbers, or with such ease, as it does in humans.
- Bat's and Pangolins can't even catch the virus. They have the wrong type of ACE2 and the spike protein does not work on them (they have similar viruses, sure, but we humans can't catch those viruses, either. They are specifically bat and pangolin viruses).
- It is specifically adapted to human cells (and specifically, the human ACE2 receptor).
- We are obviously the singular host species for the disease.
- Therefore, to be so well adapted to humans, it must have arisen in humans, from an ancestor virus that had some time to adapt so.

Looking for some foreign and/or zoonotic source is just 'excuse-ism' and 'blamey-ness'. Simple.