Man refused service for not wearing mask, goes gets mask so he can shoot his refuser.

a reply to: Nyiah

I do talk to real people in the real world and try to work on non violent solution to issues but honestly in my area it doesn't come up all too much.

I come here to ATS because this community is one I RESPECT and I'm not going to lie and pander, this is how I feel this is my experience which is valid and I want to share because I know this community is many discerning people's of all types and kinds.

This discussion right here is a way I want to help prevent , "the Nutters" from seeing violence as an option.

If people are killing folk for not wearing a mask please bring it up for discussion, comments are one thing and actions are another. I see this man murdering another as a step in a direction that some people out there WANT, I am not one of them and I want others to be aware that those types exist and are not always honest with others or even themselves.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: TrollMagnet

You dont understand the first thing you are talking about. The influenza virus arrives in the cell in 8 segments and is reassembled by the cell. This is called segmented. If you are sick with the flu, and then catch a second flu, thats where the mutations occur. Your cell can take 3 pieces of one influenza virus, assemble it with 5 pieces from another, and abracadabra, you got a new mutation! Thats why the flu mutates every year into something we basically have very little protection against. In someone's body somewhere, right now, a new strain is currently being assembled. How deadly it is and how long it survives in the wild determines how bad that strain it. The influenza viruses in the wild currently being spread are examined to predict the new code that will (most likely) pop up next year. Thats why sometimes the flu vaccine is a total miss. Its a statistical analysis, where they basically all bet in the end on which flavor to make. It is a real gamble with real money.

I don't agree with you here, but the end result is the same. Most mutations are because it is RNA based and RNA doesn't have all the checks and balances that DNA has, so you end up with a lot more variants. This is why small Pox, DNA, has had one variant in the last 30,000 years and a flu, RNA, can have many in a year. Also, people don't typically get infected with multiple virus at the same time. Once one virus takes hold it is much harder for another to do the same since the body is already in full immune swing and viruses tend to compete. This is one of the reasons the flu kind of disappeared last year.

Dont take my word for it. Here is the guy who first sequenced the DNA from Polio explaining the differences in COVID VS Flu. www.youtube.com...

You can disagree with the science all you want, but that is exactly how the influenzas virus mutates, look it up. Im not asking you to take my word on faith. Its because it arrives segmented into the cell. It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is how they predict next years mutations, because they know what parts are the most prevalent the previous year, so they know what will likely be created naturally for the next year.

Also, it does not matter if you are sick, if you get sick again (twice). If your body has a large immune response to what is making you sick, you may be able to fight off variants of the same type from making you sicker, but something that requires a different type of immune response will go right in the same as when you got sick the first time and your body was not ready for that pathogen.

When you cell get invaded by a flu virus or COVID virus, that virus turns your cell into a factory to replicate itself and spread to other cells. This is commonly called a viro-cell. If you have two flu viruses, and they are replicating in your body at the same time, all they have to do is arrive at any one cell at the same time in order for your cell to have more than 8 pieces to build the viro-cell from. So when it is assembling the 8 parts, and there are 12 to pick from, you get news variations.

The amount of ways it can mutate are limited depending on what you got sick with, and there are statistical probabilities tied to the different types of possible variations to come out of that cell. Think of it like a roulette wheel with 5 colors, 1 millions spaces, and about 100 balls. Thats the gamble pharmaceutical companies bet on every year. If they are just close their vaccine will do something beneficial most of the time, but sometimes they miss it completely. Or some people get a flu shot and catch a totally different mutation.

a reply to: Poofmander

It is apparent that the only true thing you want is someone to bark orders at, to control someone FOR you. Ain't happening, hombre, people are not your play-things to order around as you please, no matter how gently you try to disguise it. You simply proselytizing like a nuisance on the street-corner doesn't do # for morale or inspiration, and if you really feel you're not reaching or inspiring enough people, then it's probably the messenger yourself.

If you need that spelled out blatantly, people are not going to take you seriously when they can come to the same exact conclusion as my first sentence up there. This one, for a refresher, "It is apparent that the only true thing you want is someone to bark orders at, to control someone FOR you." Telling people everyone else is responsible for the actions of strangers on other continents is a spoiled shirker's way, of going about life.

originally posted by: Poofmander
German Gas Station Attendant Murdered

The voracity with which you defend you position against masks, in turn allows this man to believe the entire time he was doing something right.

Did you really just blame everyone for what this guy did? In other words, I say I should not have to wear a mask, this guy shoots someone and I am partly to blame because he holds the same opinion? Not that I have ever refused to wear a mask but if I did and I voiced my opposition, you are saying I am responsible for a murder half a world away?

Take your meds lefty..

a reply to: Poofmander

All those words, and you still cannot understand what line you crossed. How about the line that says "You will wear what I say you will wear whether you can wear it safely or not, and to hell with any medical conditions. You'll just have to die."

This same thing, sans shooting of course, already happened to me.

My car malfunctioned and wouldn't start. Despite being an electrical engineer by trade, I didn't have access to the dealer information; the dealers have that. So after a few weeks of trying to troubleshoot in the dark, I called the dealer and asked if they could diagnose the problem for me. They could, of course, and were eager to get the job. All that I needed to do was pay to have my car towed there and pay for the diagnostic.

I did.

I walked in to tell them I was here with the car, and immediately was escorted out and told I had to wear a mask or I would be refused not just service, but entry. I explained that my medical condition did not allow me to wear a mask. Didn't matter. Now, yeah, I could have gotten a gun and walked in and started shooting, but that would not have been the best method to handle it. The whole thing would have been another story on ATS about how some crazy redneck went postal over a face mask requirement, and no one would ever know that I literally cannot wear a mask!

So I paid the tow truck to tow me back home. I spent two weeks searching for literature online and using intuition to expand on what little I had before I found the problem. It was fixed within an hour of finding the problem. As a result of that experience, though, I will never, under any circumstances, darken that dealership's door again. I actually made some inquiries about filing a discrimination lawsuit; no one seemed to give a damn.

Also, because of that little experience, I will not allow anyone, period, no matter the cost, to demand I put a mask on. Hell, I am going to place a sign in my driveway: "No face masks allowed past this point. On-duty medical personnel only excepted." I am that serious about the whole issue. Will that lead to violence some day? God, I hope not, but the truth is, maybe. But I can promise you this: if and when it does, I will not be like the guy this thread is about. I will pick my place and pick my time to make my stand. That's what you have caused when you crossed the line to make me choose between misery and potential death.

There is no threat in the above, only an explanation; I will continue to do everything in my power to avoid violence as long as I can. But now I ask you: is that the world YOU want to live in? Because it's the world YOU are forcing onto others. I'm not forcing anything on anyone... I want to live my life in peace. It's people like YOU who are making that impossible... and not everyone is as peace-loving as I am. This thread proves that.

How many lives are face masks worth to you?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Masks are kind of a non-issue for me. I think they're kind of silly because 95% of them don't protect anyone, but I don't get angry over them so much (though they do make it harder to breathe, and they're hot).

Now, forced 'vaccines', on the other hand, well...those do make me angry. Especially forced experimental vaccines.

Then, we are mostly on the same page!

I'd wager if we asked what each believed rather than telling each other what they believe, we'd find we are much more similar than we are different. But you are one of those lefties who hates America and won't eat Apple Pie, so you are not who I need to talk to.

originally posted by: Poofmander
a reply to: Nyiah

I do talk to real people in the real world and try to work on non violent solution to issues but honestly in my area it doesn't come up all too much.

I come here to ATS because this community is one I RESPECT and I'm not going to lie and pander, this is how I feel this is my experience which is valid and I want to share because I know this community is many discerning people's of all types and kinds.

This discussion right here is a way I want to help prevent , "the Nutters" from seeing violence as an option.

If people are killing folk for not wearing a mask please bring it up for discussion, comments are one thing and actions are another. I see this man murdering another as a step in a direction that some people out there WANT, I am not one of them and I want others to be aware that those types exist and are not always honest with others or even themselves.

remember Cesar Sayoc?
apnews.com...

He was the nutter who apparently loved Trump and sent pipe bombs to Trump's enemies. How many people were caught sending pipe bombs to Trump's foes? If it wasn't more than just 1, then you may start to get my point. If it's just one, then you may have trouble avoiding my point. Bitches be crazy. Nuff said.

This discussion right here is a way I want to help prevent , "the Nutters" from seeing violence as an option.

I wonder if "some folks" here thought the same when the farmers went to war against the oppression of the British Empire ?
Probably so....
The ignorant ones .

originally posted by: Poofmander
a reply to: network dude

We have had shooters on our very forums here before. So don't think that our community is immune, nothing happens in a vacuum. Plenty of us make more or less empty threats, about all sorts of topics, but only some act on that, but do we know if our eloquent rhetoric here influenced them out there, we may never know but there is a chance without a doubt.

The idea of fake news has been around a long time and what is it's goal you may wonder...it's to keep us plebs at each other's throats whilst the political parties do just that..PARTY.

If you think this man came up with all this anger all on his own and had no influences from outside his mind telling him that these masks are evil and taking away your rights, that's almost categorically impossible as it is all over the news in every way possible.

Free speech is just that it's free, but some of us would like you to understand that words can change people's minds and if that's your goal then guess what this guy is on your side. So take responsibility for him because you're the ones drawing the line in the sand. The side of masks and vaccines that's the land of science drew the line for us and we adapt, not because we want to but because we HAVE TO.

Show me dutch legislation where it states that i must surrender my body for unwanted medical procedures.

You cant

So calm down with the have to.

Stop acting like my body is your property

a reply to: Gothmog

a reply to: Poofmander

Just a matter of time before a big wig gets oofed.

Then this pantomime might get interesting⚡

originally posted by: TrollMagnet

Dont take my word for it. Here is the guy who first sequenced the DNA from Polio explaining the differences in COVID VS Flu. www.youtube.com...

I really enjoy Lex, and you seen ZDoggMD? He is another person to follow.

originally posted by: Poofmander
a reply to: VierEyes

So mask people should be oppressed, glad to know ATS is just going fascist, like it never was this way before (pre 2012ish). I dunno I just get upset cuz this place was a big deal for me in my formative years and now it's mostly just kinda scary how quickly oppressive sentiment arrived and stuck around.

Proof that you don't know the meaning of fascist.

I guess that guy won’t be telling people to put a mask on anymore. People are reaching their breaking point with this mask nonsense. Just wait and see what happens if they start refusing basic services over some gene therapy. That’s when everything will come crashing down. I expect to see a lot more if COVID restrictions aren’t rolled back very soon.

a reply to: Nyiah

Okay so what's the point oh having this conversation, I want to know if people here are willing to kill over a mask. I'm asking if anyone feels that way, I'm also asking those same people and everyone else, how do we try and prevent more senseless killings.

I very much believe that this one "crazy person" is more like one of the many people in this day in age that is unbelievably stressed and doesn't know how to deal with their own emotions.

I want to get out in front of these situations and also perhaps put things in perspective for people and if I'm not allowed to express that here, then you are the one with the problem. Also if I'm not that good at it lemme practice, hombre, but all in all perhaps this discourse is not for you it's for other more undecided/open minded people. I know there are many lurkers that may never comment, I hope to reach them here. I hope to show them that there need not be this level of animosity between us and perhaps more cooperation and understanding. I don't want to tell people what to do, I want to hear how people want to move forward dealing with those who they don't agree with into the future because guess what we are not all gonna agree but we can decide how we can treat one another civilly and without prejudice.

I respect the fact some don't want to wear masks, but if you aren't welcome inside a place that's up to the owner of the establishment and that's called freedom so you can't argue with that. The only order I may ask be barked is "don't #ing shoot him"

a reply to: VierEyes

Define it for me please if you want to hold it above my head educate me bring me to where you are, that's what this is all about nobody wants to do that I use fascist as a simile for intolerance, because as far as political things go a fascist group is intolerant of the opposite end of the spectrum, and they argue that in order for their survival the other and must be eliminated completely. Doesn't matter what you believe or what they believe it's just you verse them and them is intolerable. If you want to go on and tell me what your version of fascism is please describe it for me so I can understand how we are all conceiving of this world in our own minds.

Every single news report posted here anymore should be required to be prefaced by "allegedly"
Everyone paying attention knows reality is trying to be written by the news.

a reply to: Mandroid7

And anyone posting opinion as fact so be required to preface as such as well. You know things like "Everyone paying attention..." LoL... Unless you have links to those "facts"

This thread is a classic example of...the pot calling the kettle black!

a reply to: Poofmander

I want to know if people here are willing to kill over a mask

No , fighting oppression is the thing here in the US .
Come on over and join us...
Get a "green card" , pay the money , and pass the test.

a reply to: Poofmander
Well if the villagers are angry as hell and not going to take it anymore, it's best they direct their attention to local offices of certain pharmaceuticals companies. If it starts costing them in relocations and rebuilds, the ceo's may just realize they need to back off. Take the anger to those responsible for the corruption and kickbacks, it's what folks used to do before skynet took everyone's minds with portable magic boxes with moving pictures.