Why jab if it does not work

a reply to: anonentity

The vaccine begins to lose its potency after 30 days (Moderna) / 90 days (Pfizer).

Anthony Fauci says the day is coming soon, where those who do not have a Booster on their vaccine card, will be officially no longer fully-vaccinated.

Imagine the strife that will trigger in America!

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
Then why do the FDA rule against the drug companies product lines?

Sometimes - until they don't.

... and, perhaps the reason people move between drug companies and the FDA has to do with the academic and experiential qualifications to do the jobs?

Rotflmao! Yeah, you would believe that whopper.

I know for a fact that it is not a whopper. The people involved in the creation and production of drugs are highly and uniquely qualified to know their stuff. They have 'hands on' experience with the science and technology, which others don't.

These are the same people that have pushed the saturated fat lie/myth and other whoppers that are the direct result of the obesity and metabolic dysfunction epidemic in our country and the rest of the 'modern' world.

Well, you are correct there, but was that wittingly, or because the paradigms of the day led them to erroneous assumptions? And of course, they were the ones who overturned their previous suggestions when the evidence led them that way.

Would you rather that the people who are supposed to make complex decisions in regard to your health, are just clerical workers?

I'd rather they simply publish their studies, methodologies, data and findings, in easily understandable terms, and let people make their own decisions.

They are there to determine the safety of food and drugs. They aren't just a publishing company. Also, anything that they published would be totally swamped by advertising if they had no authority to legislate against dangerous products, and there are dangerous products advertized that the FDA has warned against.

A recent case that exemplifies this, would be HQC, someone here on ATS recently had a relative die of 'strange symptoms' which were all adverse reactions to HQC. Not saying that this was the cause in this case, but the question remains.

The reason the FDA advised against taking HQC against COVID-19, is because its efficacy against COVID-19 was unknown at that early time, when it was being promoted as a 'magic cure', and there were known dangers in taking it, which the online 'advertising' and media completely ignore, or deny.

The point is, no-one else is funding this. All the naysayers don't put any money down, and don't actually give a damn for anyone but their own ill-informed opinion.

Ummm... that is because the entire allopathic paradigm is corrupt at its core.

There is no money in natural, safe and cheap/free cures for diseases. Well, at least not the kind of money that supports spending hundreds of millions of dollars to prove something works.

Snake oil salespeople are still making big money selling fake 'cures' to desperate people, and there needs to be something to counter that.

With the internet and all the astroturfing of fake testimonials and fake 'scientific papers' (that are not actually accepted or peer reviewed, or have been debunked by later evidence), how could the general public (most of whom have not reached the pinnacle of academic achievement), be expected to determine the truth?

Zinc, Ivermectin, vitamin C, HQC, and all manner of herbals and stuff still can't cure a common cold. We all know that, and yet they are being paraded out as magic 'cures' for a new disease, because people are desperate and gullible and want it to be cheap, and safe, and available.

a reply to: TheMirrorSelf

I experience the same, I live in Spain, and refused all things related to covid, together with the partner of my sister in law. We both think and feel the same about this entire situation.
My partner and her sister did the government issued nationwide PCR tests, and took the two jabs. Both of them, although not being sick, experience side effects.
It's hard for me not to start the "i told you so" conversations, as is for my friend. Even though i don't agree with her taking the jab, as she respected my decision not to, i have to respect hers, all i can do now, is support her and be there for her if things turn worse.
What's also hard is to talk about any information i come across, because it all paints the same story.. the people who got jabbed, are screwed.
Might i add, our girls are twins. Have exactly the same DNA, and exactly the same complaints. Would this be a normal vaccine, the side effects would differ because though they share DNA, their immune system and such is different due to environmental differences.

Data from Europe shows that the vax offers a great deal of protection. It not only decreases your chances of getting sick but also of transmitting covid to other people.

For example, in the UK 1 in 5 adults isn't vaxxed, yet they make up 4 in 5 of all covid related deaths.

Of 51,000 deaths between January and July 2021 only 640 of them were of double vaxxed people.

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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: anonentity

The vaccine begins to lose its potency after 30 days (Moderna) / 90 days (Pfizer).

Anthony Fauci says the day is coming soon, where those who do not have a Booster on their vaccine card, will be officially no longer fully-vaccinated.

Imagine the strife that will trigger in America!

Judging by your posts on here, you lot are very easily triggered into strife.

The stats here in the UK seem to confirm that the jabs do work.

a reply to: carewemust

There will be many more boosters including for the youth/children despite those claiming it would be lower in shots.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yes as long as you keep getting them. Then the common cold will do you in.

originally posted by: HawkEyi
a reply to: carewemust

There will be many more boosters including for the youth/children despite those claiming it would be lower in shots.

Yes, of course there will.

Of course there will.

In your doorm porn head.

originally posted by: chr0naut
I know for a fact that it is not a whopper. The people involved in the creation and production of drugs are highly and uniquely qualified to know their stuff. They have 'hands on' experience with the science and technology, which others don't.

More rotflmao!

You are one dedicated 'true-believer' in the big pharma propaganda religion of sorcery, there is no doubt.

But I never said they weren't good at creating profitable drugs. They obviously are very good at that.

The problem is, none of their efforts can ever work on the current problems people are experiencing in modern society. There will never - ever - be a drug designed by your petty-god-wanna-be's that will cure cancer, or alzheimers/dementia, or any of other dozens (hundreds) of so-called 'diseases' that are more properly termed metabolic diseases, and that can only be cured by restoring proper metabolic function through a rational program of proper nutrition, exercise, and more importantly, in my opinion, can be greatly accelerated through a series of rationally applied fasts.

I am in the process of testing this theory - admittedly in a limited way - on myself as we speak.

Well, you are correct there, but was that wittingly, or because the paradigms of the day led them to erroneous assumptions?

It was most definitely wittingly, and for the most base of reasons: greed - and ego.

And of course, they were the ones who overturned their previous suggestions when the evidence led them that way.

Ridiculous, but understandable that a 'true-believer' would say such absurdities.

They were dragged kicking and screaming to the truth, denying until they simply could not deny any longer.

These so-called leaders you so revere now, are of the same ilk as those so-called leaders in the past, back when everyone believed the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around it - put many of the real truth seekers to death in their bid to hang onto their delusions, and most importantly to them, their positions of power and prestige.

They are there to determine the safety of food and drugs. They aren't just a publishing company. Also, anything that they published would be totally swamped by advertising if they had no authority to legislate against dangerous products, and there are dangerous products advertized that the FDA has warned against.

Yes yes yes, we already know you are a 'true-believer' in the religion of sorcery.

A recent case that exemplifies this, would be HQC, someone here on ATS recently had a relative die of 'strange symptoms' which were all adverse reactions to HQC. Not saying that this was the cause in this case, but the question remains.

Adverse effects from HCQ (not HQC) are very rare. Of course, we also know that you are OK with the use of things that have only rare adverse effects, since you fully support the use of experimental gene jabs, right?

The reason the FDA advised against taking HQC against COVID-19, is because its efficacy against COVID-19 was unknown at that early time, when it was being promoted as a 'magic cure', and there were known dangers in taking it, which the online 'advertising' and media completely ignore, or deny.

Ummm... you are very, very confused. The MSM and govt agencies have all been screaming about the dangers of HCQ - and when it came up, Ivermectin, and any other potentially effective therapeutic for COVID - from the rooftops starting the day President Trump spoke about it as a possible effective therapeutic. No one was promoting it as a 'magic cure', that was just hyperbole invented by tptb in order to promulgate their fake and unnecessary EUA's for their experimental gene jabs and expensive but dangerously ineffective 'remdesivir' as the only allowed therapeutic, forbidding any and all others, even known extremely safe things like simple cortico-steroids, and of course what we now know are very effective things like HCQ, Ivermecting, Fluvoxamine, and yes, even annoying things like Zinc, Quercitin, Vit C, etc.

Snake oil salespeople are still making big money selling fake 'cures' to desperate people, and there needs to be something to counter that.

I agree. These dangerous snake-oil salesmen, the purveyors of these scams - like remdesivir, statins for lowering cholesterol, BP meds, for anything other than a temporary fix to address a seriously acute condition etc etc ad nauseum - all need something rational and powerful to counter it.

Zinc, Ivermectin, vitamin C, HQC, and all manner of herbals and stuff still can't cure a common cold.

Actually, they can dramatically shorten the duration if taken in adequate doses, and once someone's immune system has been reset and re-established through enough time of adequate and proper nutrition, exercise (and even better fasting), they won't ever even 'catch' a cold no matter how much they are exposed to someone who has one.

We all know that,

Yes, and it is what 'we' know that just ain't so that is our biggest enemy.

and yet they are being paraded out as magic 'cures' for a new disease, because people are desperate and gullible and want it to be cheap, and safe, and available.

And yet, the FLCCC has proven beyond any rational doubt (except maybe to those believers in sorcery like yourself) that Ivermectin is extremely effective, especially when used early, and they have even developed therapeutics to eliminate symptoms of 'long COVID', even for those who develop neurological issues (Fluvoxamine is the therapeutic that will pass the blood brain barrier).

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The truth is nobody really knows how many boosters will be necessary. In America, it is suggested that booster shots will be needed again in either 8, 6, or 5 months depending on if you ask Fauci, Walensky or Biden.

If we know immunity wanes that quickly and to the point that a booster is needed that quickly to shore up the initial shots, then how can anyone say for certain that this won't be a constantly repeating cycle of booster shots? This is the problem with this whole entire pandemic. People in power making statements about topics that are just unknowable at this time, yet claiming they know, and then later on admitting they did not actually know and spoke prematurely. This is what makes people lose confidence in their leadership and also stop listening to them.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: anonentity

The vaccine begins to lose its potency after 30 days (Moderna) / 90 days (Pfizer).

Anthony Fauci says the day is coming soon, where those who do not have a Booster on their vaccine card, will be officially no longer fully-vaccinated.

Imagine the strife that will trigger in America!

Which doesn't make sense, since, if the vaccines worked the way the vaccines are supposed to work, your body should be making antibodies as long as you are being exposed to the virus.

With the claim that damn near every person you come near to, is carrying the virus, and is such a deadly threat, it would mean you are constantly being exposed, and should constantly be producing the needed antibodies.

The only way your body would stop producing antibodies, is if you were no longer being exposed, and there was no need for your body to make antibodies, because there is no virus present.

Or if you used up the antibodies. That would mean the vaccine is injected artificial antibodies that work, but does not work in getting your own immune system to create the sentry function and attack function, that a healthy, and natural immune system would develop.

So if the antibodies fade and you need continued booster shots, then they are lying about something.

Either the vaccine does not work like a vaccine, or the boosters are not needed.

We know they are lying. The question is, what are they lying about?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Would you care to link those stats?

a reply to: HawkEyi

Where are the "Covid Camps" again you claim exist in your nation?

Still waiting on you to produce evidence of those.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Would you care to link those stats?

Which ones?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
I know for a fact that it is not a whopper. The people involved in the creation and production of drugs are highly and uniquely qualified to know their stuff. They have 'hands on' experience with the science and technology, which others don't.

More rotflmao!

You are one dedicated 'true-believer' in the big pharma propaganda religion of sorcery, there is no doubt.

But I never said they weren't good at creating profitable drugs. They obviously are very good at that.

The problem is, none of their efforts can ever work on the current problems people are experiencing in modern society. There will never - ever - be a drug designed by your petty-god-wanna-be's that will cure cancer, or alzheimers/dementia, or any of other dozens (hundreds) of so-called 'diseases' that are more properly termed metabolic diseases, and that can only be cured by restoring proper metabolic function through a rational program of proper nutrition, exercise, and more importantly, in my opinion, can be greatly accelerated through a series of rationally applied fasts.

I am in the process of testing this theory - admittedly in a limited way - on myself as we speak.

Fasting can be dangerous, it does not switch the body into burning fats (ketosis) but people loose weight by accelerated cell death. Limited, and frequent, short term fasts and caloric restriction can promote ketosis and are beneficial, but there are body-image psychological problems such as anorexia that can be deadly when they cause extreme application of fasts and calorie restriction.

Well, you are correct there, but was that wittingly, or because the paradigms of the day led them to erroneous assumptions?

It was most definitely wittingly, and for the most base of reasons: greed - and ego.

And of course, they were the ones who overturned their previous suggestions when the evidence led them that way.

Ridiculous, but understandable that a 'true-believer' would say such absurdities.

They were dragged kicking and screaming to the truth, denying until they simply could not deny any longer.

These so-called leaders you so revere now, are of the same ilk as those so-called leaders in the past, back when everyone believed the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around it - put many of the real truth seekers to death in their bid to hang onto their delusions, and most importantly to them, their positions of power and prestige.

They are there to determine the safety of food and drugs. They aren't just a publishing company. Also, anything that they published would be totally swamped by advertising if they had no authority to legislate against dangerous products, and there are dangerous products advertized that the FDA has warned against.

Yes yes yes, we already know you are a 'true-believer' in the religion of sorcery.

A recent case that exemplifies this, would be HQC, someone here on ATS recently had a relative die of 'strange symptoms' which were all adverse reactions to HQC. Not saying that this was the cause in this case, but the question remains.

Adverse effects from HCQ (not HQC) are very rare. Of course, we also know that you are OK with the use of things that have only rare adverse effects, since you fully support the use of experimental gene jabs, right?

The reason the FDA advised against taking HQC against COVID-19, is because its efficacy against COVID-19 was unknown at that early time, when it was being promoted as a 'magic cure', and there were known dangers in taking it, which the online 'advertising' and media completely ignore, or deny.

Ummm... you are very, very confused. The MSM and govt agencies have all been screaming about the dangers of HCQ - and when it came up, Ivermectin, and any other potentially effective therapeutic for COVID - from the rooftops starting the day President Trump spoke about it as a possible effective therapeutic. No one was promoting it as a 'magic cure', that was just hyperbole invented by tptb in order to promulgate their fake and unnecessary EUA's for their experimental gene jabs and expensive but dangerously ineffective 'remdesivir' as the only allowed therapeutic, forbidding any and all others, even known extremely safe things like simple cortico-steroids, and of course what we now know are very effective things like HCQ, Ivermecting, Fluvoxamine, and yes, even annoying things like Zinc, Quercitin, Vit C, etc.

Snake oil salespeople are still making big money selling fake 'cures' to desperate people, and there needs to be something to counter that.

I agree. These dangerous snake-oil salesmen, the purveyors of these scams - like remdesivir, statins for lowering cholesterol, BP meds, for anything other than a temporary fix to address a seriously acute condition etc etc ad nauseum - all need something rational and powerful to counter it.

Zinc, Ivermectin, vitamin C, HQC, and all manner of herbals and stuff still can't cure a common cold.

Actually, they can dramatically shorten the duration if taken in adequate doses, and once someone's immune system has been reset and re-established through enough time of adequate and proper nutrition, exercise (and even better fasting), they won't ever even 'catch' a cold no matter how much they are exposed to someone who has one.

We all know that,

Yes, and it is what 'we' know that just ain't so that is our biggest enemy.

and yet they are being paraded out as magic 'cures' for a new disease, because people are desperate and gullible and want it to be cheap, and safe, and available.

And yet, the FLCCC has proven beyond any rational doubt (except maybe to those believers in sorcery like yourself) that Ivermectin is extremely effective, especially when used early, and they have even developed therapeutics to eliminate symptoms of 'long COVID', even for those who develop neurological issues (Fluvoxamine is the therapeutic that will pass the blood brain barrier).

It isn't, and never was, sorcery.

For instance, the revision of the food pyramid and the reversal of the idea that 'fats are bad and and carbs are good', started with papers proving that fats do not enter the body 'whole', but are broken down entirely to amino acids. Meaning that fats inside the body, are actually created inside the body, and aren't from eating fatty foods.

Along side that, there are still numbers of fats which are toxic, yet still included in food products - these fats remain 'bad', and carbohydrates, as an available energy source to the cells, are still essential (just at much smaller amounts).

And the number of ultra-fit, healthy-eating people, who still die of the very specific diseases that their regimen of food and exercise is supposed counter, should give you some cause to doubt the efficacy of 'alternative lifestyle' solutions.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Fasting can be dangerous,

Yes, it can - as can drinking water.

it does not switch the body into burning fats (ketosis)

This is blatantly and plainly wrong.

but people loose weight by accelerated cell death.

No, they lose weight by burning fat. PERIOD.

Limited, and frequent, short term fasts and caloric restriction can promote ketosis and are beneficial,

Ignorance is a big problem for you.

You are talking nonsense, and don't even know it.

but there are body-image psychological problems such as anorexia that can be deadly when they cause extreme application of fasts and calorie restriction.

Fasting for health (rejuvenation, etc) has nothing to do with body image and/or anorexia.

It isn't, and never was, sorcery.

It is, you just can't see it... sucks to be you.

Ignoring the rest of your nonsense, because ... it's nonsense.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
Fasting can be dangerous,

Yes, it can - as can drinking water.

it does not switch the body into burning fats (ketosis)

This is blatantly and plainly wrong.

but people loose weight by accelerated cell death.

No, they lose weight by burning fat. PERIOD.

Limited, and frequent, short term fasts and caloric restriction can promote ketosis and are beneficial,

Ignorance is a big problem for you.

You are talking nonsense, and don't even know it.

but there are body-image psychological problems such as anorexia that can be deadly when they cause extreme application of fasts and calorie restriction.

Fasting for health (rejuvenation, etc) has nothing to do with body image and/or anorexia.

It isn't, and never was, sorcery.

It is, you just can't see it... sucks to be you.

Ignoring the rest of your nonsense, because ... it's nonsense.

Blimey. You really are an angry supercilious nasty poster.

Always.

Take a chill pill, man.

The jabs are working here in the UK.

Infections are up, hospitalisations are down.

The vaccines are working.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Blimey. You really are an angry supercilious nasty poster.

I find it hilarious that you find that post 'angry, supercilious and nasty'...

The jabs are working here in the UK.

No, that is just what you are being told. They are lying, and you are sucking it up like a fly sucks up sugar water.

Infections are up, hospitalisations are down.

The vaccines are working.

Good! Then you obviously have nothing to fear from the unclean unjabbed... right?

a reply to: tanstaafl

Its the other way about tanstaafl.

The ""unjabbed"" as you put it are predominantly the ones still dying from COVID 19 now.

The vaccines are working here in the UK with 70-80% of our population now fully vaccinated.

Funny how we are not all dead or dying, guess it must be our sheer magnesium doing the trick.

originally posted by: HawkEyi
a reply to: carewemust

There will be many more boosters including for the youth/children despite those claiming it would be lower in shots.

Covid is mutating into a less deadly form according to the creator of the British vax. By next winter it will just be the flu, and people get flu shots every year without you screaming that the sky is falling.