We might be Star Trek's "Terrans" for real. A hypothesis

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To summarize, The Earth-based human "Terrans" were once a powerful intergalactic empire thriving on violence and conquest UNTIL defeated by their enemies.

The defeated Terrans are then turned into a slave race that also denied them the opportunity or the right to own and develop advanced technology which included faster-than-light warp technology. Sounds familiar?? That sounds like the whole UFO conspiracy doesn't it??

We are seeing in UFO research, certain agencies that operate above the law in suppressing investigation and research and development of technologies that are close to or on par with advanced alien tech, especially those that would pave the way for interstellar exploration of space. Even agreements between gov't and aliens and their role in withholding of interstellar travel tech and also for deliberately feeding interest in technologies that is quite inferior and destructive to the environment.

If it happened thousands of years in the past, we would have no records of it and any surviving records would likely be destroyed deliberately to suppress the information. We'd think we've always been here in this planet and never once beholded an intergalactic community.

The irony if true is we are living the dark and gloomy counterpart of the fictional Star Trek universe (The "mirror" univers in the fiction). The part where success meant many dead bodies along the way.

a reply to: aviyyyyzzz
Since we're speculating and fantasizing, some people think the so-called Black knight satellite is at least 13,000 years old and from a previous civilization. Others believe it is was left by ET to monitor us. I personally don't believe anything regarding it, since I have no hard evidence of its existence, but it would fit in your scenario if it turned out to be real.

a reply to: aviyyyyzzz
Funny, that is what I thought when they got introduced in StarTrek Discovery. That's us minus the agony chambers.

a reply to: aviyyyyzzz

I immediately thought of the South Park episode where aliens come down and issue to the Earth Galactic Dollars. Of course, everyone acts like jack-asses (Mexico keeps building water parks), and in the end it was all a test by the Galactic Federation who then cordons off the Earth from the rest of the Galaxy. Ha! I was trying to find it on YT but couldn't.

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: aviyyyyzzz
Funny, that is what I thought when they got introduced in StarTrek Discovery. That's us minus the agony chambers.

We have those,they are called studio audiences of the view.

originally posted by: TheMirrorSelf
a reply to: aviyyyyzzz

I immediately thought of the South Park episode where aliens come down and issue to the Earth Galactic Dollars. Of course, everyone acts like jack-asses (Mexico keeps building water parks), and in the end it was all a test by the Galactic Federation who then cordons off the Earth from the rest of the Galaxy. Ha! I was trying to find it on YT but couldn't.

Apparently the episode is called "Pinewood Derby" S13E06, 2 episodes and I have to watch it now lol!


Cheers - Dave

a reply to: aviyyyyzzz

It's a very interesting hypothesis, all I'll say is because we know so little about our evolutionary history and the universe around us, anything is possible, especially when you also factor in the UFO cover up.

I still like the idea of Mars also being involved in our evolution

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Battlestar galactica was a biographical story of humanity.

a reply to: aviyyyyzzz

How about an episode like this one.

We are the product of primordial sludge mixing together with heat oozing up from the planets core until high enough levels of complexity had been reached creating a higher level of primordial sludge-ooze which mixed with several million years of repeat and rinse until for some fanciful reason, the great great great grand off-spring of that sludge decided to make up fantasy stories about how it got here because dealing with the total meaninglessness of existence was to much for it's fragile little sludgy brains could handle.

Then they battled in great wars over who's fantasy was true and fought one another over which old man was going to save them from their en-tropic demise.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

How about there are no coincidences in the universe? Its astronomically high that we just "accidentally" evolved without some help. The universe runs on math.

Great topic! It’s always fun to imagine where humanity came from. Our origins story if you will?

I once read a really great tale that went something like this:

A long time ago there was a huge war between humans and a reptilian race. The war spand many planetary systems and the reptilians were clearly winning. The humans got word that the reptilians were building genetically modified monsters on their home world of Earth. These war monsters were massive reptile killing machines. Once perfected these self replicating death dragons would be transported to the front lines and give the reptilians just enough of an edge to totally wipe out the remaining human infestations. The humans got word of these plans and decided something had to be done to counter this end game move. So the humans hatched a daring plan.

The humans Set up a colony on Mars and began to invade Earth in an attempt to thwart the reptilians plans. They managed a beach head on the planet but after years of fighting the humans were not making any progress. Eventually the reptilians wiped the Mars colony out in such a way that it was completely uninhabitable. The last remaining humans in the area knew the reptilians were almost finished with their ultimate secret weapons and as a last ditch effort decided to smash a huge asteroid into the Earth to wipe out the genetic monsters once and for all. The plan worked for the most part, the massive science experiments were all destroyed but the small band of human survivors were trapped. Unable to send out communications or repair the ships they were forced to set up shop, underground on a now mostly destroyed foreign planet. Time passed, everyone forgot and now when we find remains of the genetic war machines we call them dinosaurs. There’s even some rumors that a few of the original reptilian scientists still survive underground to this day...

It’s a great story!

a reply to: yuppa

And how might that ''help'' have evolved? Without help? Or might that'' help'' have evolved with ''help'' as well?

originally posted by: TheMirrorSelf
a reply to: aviyyyyzzz

I immediately thought of the South Park episode where aliens come down and issue to the Earth Galactic Dollars. Of course, everyone acts like jack-asses (Mexico keeps building water parks), and in the end it was all a test by the Galactic Federation who then cordons off the Earth from the rest of the Galaxy. Ha! I was trying to find it on YT but couldn't.

Petrispermia!

In The Beginning......Let There Be Life

Wouldn’t the sludge brain be blown at how far the sludge had come and full of hope for the future of its evolution in your scenario?

I mean, that sort of advancement is something to be lauded and used to counter act the acute feelings of meaninglessness *some* of the descendants may adopt, isn’t it?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: Dalamax
Wouldn’t the sludge brain be blown at how far the sludge had come and full of hope for the future of its evolution in your scenario?

I mean, that sort of advancement is something to be lauded and used to counter act the acute feelings of meaninglessness *some* of the descendants may adopt, isn’t it?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Wonderful continuation on that theme Dal. Yes, I think so, at least those portions of the sludge brain that were not mired in the fantasy patches that had gown up and around that road to advancement, especially because of the impact that those fantasy patches played IN that very advancement.

It would be those fantasy patches that even though they played such an important part in that advancement that would prevent much of the sludge mind from emerging from the firm beliefs that the ''help'' put it here, helped it along the way and WOULD continue to help through thick and thin.

The question that I would ask the sludge mind would be how many fantasy patches does it need to patch over the yawning gap between the inherent randomness of it's existence and it's hope and desire for something more than meaninglessness.

The anti-dote to meaningless. other than another fantasy patch, is just what you suggest, recognizing and appreciating what it has managed to realize, without any ''help''

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Battlestar galactica was a biographical story of humanity.

Grew up on it as a kid, and I know it's highly rated but I hated it as an adult

a reply to: yuppa

I believe that was a fracking documentary. Still pissed off they sailed the Galactica into the sun.

And possibly a desire to explore?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

a reply to: Dalamax

Explore? Certainly. Necessarily. Implicitly. If we want to continue with the ''sludge'' point of view, somehow that drive has also arrived with the evolution of the sludge. Some point to the need of the sludge's genetic code that propels the sludge to expand outward in replications and expansions of itself.

Myself, I don't hold with the sludge theory. I take it simply as a nuts and bolts approach to understanding how the nature of consciousness itself seems to be at play in all of our beings. Which came first the chicken or the egg. To me they came together because of consciousness becuse the chicken and the egg are the same thing, just in different states.