Battle of aliens in the skies over Nuremberg in 1561

Bit overly aggressive mate. A UFO shot down in a battle falls like a stone does it? No onward trajectory? Escape the battle but succumb to damage? Or is this yet another UFO from another battle over Germany. I also said nothing about orbs or Foo fighters as they were nicknamed - you’ll know that of course.

My take is my take and it as right or as wrong as anyone else’s. I believe seeing a glimpse or an even longer spell of some quite heavy WW2 raid would make more sense that two alien civilisations making their way to earth and then having a slugging match over Nuremberg. I might be wrong, but we will never know.

a reply to: ARM1968

No that's you, I did not have that impression and certainly wasn't being aggressive towards you.

However I won't let you put theories in my mouth. You act like I defend the UFO theory when it should be obvious I am weighting the evidence and have no conclusion yet.

You just don't like it I challenged your mind time travel input, but I did so in an educated and friendly manner. If you do not want to discuss then simply ignore me and all is good.




To make it clear: You started the blackforest UFO claim and asked me about evidence for it. I told you I never claimed that, and therefor I have zero interest digging something up for you. That's not aggressive. That's telling you I won't start digging for claims you said I made, but I never made them. That's kind of a very silly request, don't you agree?


It's like me saying then please provide evidence for Hitler having four legs but you never claimed it. Then you tell me you won't because it's just crazy and I would accuse you of being agressive.

Hope you got it

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: ARM1968

No that's you, I did not have that impression and certainly wasn't being aggressive towards you.

However I won't let you put theories in my mouth. You act like I defend the UFO theory when it should be obvious I am weighting the evidence and have no conclusion yet.

You just don't like it I challenged your mind time travel input, but I did so in an educated and friendly manner. If you do not want to discuss then simply ignore me and all is good.

To make it clear: You started the blackforest UFO claim and asked me about evidence for it. I told you I never claimed that, and therefor I have zero interest digging something up for you. That's not aggressive. That's telling you I won't start digging for claims you said I made, but I never made them. That's kind of a very silly request, don't you agree?


It's like me saying then please provide evidence for Hitler having four legs but you never claimed it. Then you tell me you won't because it's just crazy and I would accuse you of being agressive.

Hope you got it

I literally don’t card if you or anyone else challenges me. It’s just opinions and ideas. Mine are as valid as yours and yours as valid as mine.

As for weighing evidence, what do we have? A wood cut showing something odd. A description talking about a battle in the sky. So it’s one of three things only. Natural phenomena - possible. Aliens having a fall out - possible but significantly unlikely in my opinion. Or a glimpse of the future, which fits well - again, in MY opinion.

No need to feel threatened by other ideas. Like I said I’d love it to be aliens. High time they show up and stop hob knobbing with the scum ruling this groaning barn of a planet. However, the location, the description, the wood cut, they all make me think they saw something out of time but very much in place.

I don't feel threatened lol. Just don't put words in my mouth and then ask me for evidence about it.

I think a discussion board is just exactly for that, to discuss things. How about adding your thoughts to what I wrote instead of thinking an answer is aggressive because it does not fit your worldview. I like to be constructive in conversations.

Maybe you want to read my posts again where I bring up that these carvings have a history of depicting something like that. I can read the old language and I spotted a few sentences that hint on some being a copy cat.

Not once did I write it's aliens, I just wrote the alien theory is much more plausible than mind time travel. If you have arguments against that, enlighten me and change my mind.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: chunder

This print shows October 5, 1591. Maybe the northern lights are possible at this time. But on April 4 - I don't think so.

I'm not trying to argue that Northern lights may or may not have been involved, I have no idea about that.

But I do know that solar flares can cause northern lights to temporarily appear at latitudes lower than where they normally appear. Smaller solar flares can cause smaller displacements, larger solar flares can produce larger displacements of aurorae. For an extreme example of the latter, Mexican newspapers reported seeing the "northern lights" in Mexico in 1859 when ordinarily they never see northern lights in Mexico.

As others have already said, the strict accuracy of the report may be questionable, and the interpretation seems biased to think in military terms of some battle, but I don't think we can rule out some kind of natural phenomenon, though without better information, it's hard to say exactly what it may have been.

originally posted by: ARM1968
There have been numerous examples of people walking into brief episodes of the past and of people seeing the future.

You mean there have been stories told by people who perhaps had difficulty interpreting what they saw. But we have plenty of examples to illustrate that it's unwise to take extraordinary stories at face value. One example: this UFO seen by 30 witnesses was finally identified, and taught us that taking stories at face value is not a valid scientific approach, because what the witnesses thought was a close encounter, was not really a close encounter. There are plenty more examples like this.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions about time travel, but from a scientific perspective, time travel explanations are more extraordinary than most other explanations which don't involve time travel, and as the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which stories are not.

Hell, we got questions about what happened in 1957 in Roswell not to mention 1591 Nuremberg. All I know is I've seen multiple referrals to this event in various books articles and podcasts since the '80s as an aerial phenomenon that was attributed to aliens. I have never seen this explained as an overzealous depiction or fabrication, though that's likely because it supported their subject matter.

As for the flash-forward time travel, I seem to remember a pilot flying a contemporaneous biplane in England and was returning to base, He said as he came down through the cloud cover the airfield was there but it was not the old dilapidated tiny airfield the pilot left from. He described it as modern and bustling with airplanes without propellers, new tanker vehicles, etc. The scene spooked him and he thought he was lost, he went back up in the clouds and circled around and when he came back it was his normal old airfield.

I'll try and chase down this reference.

not saying the OP is or isn't this, just I have read of time slip reports that seem to be flash forwards

I believe the "war in heaven" was actually a real war between "off planet beings" over control of earth.

Earth is a relatively new planet compared to the entire "known" universe. It seems probable/logical to me that life evolved elsewhere before earth.

Politics/government is everywhere (power-money-control). Therefore, I believe there is a type of Federation of Planets.

So, yeah -- I think this is very possible/probable.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: chunder

This print shows October 5, 1591. Maybe the northern lights are possible at this time. But on April 4 - I don't think so.

I'm not trying to argue that Northern lights may or may not have been involved, I have no idea about that.

But I do know that solar flares can cause northern lights to temporarily appear at latitudes lower than where they normally appear. Smaller solar flares can cause smaller displacements, larger solar flares can produce larger displacements of aurorae. For an extreme example of the latter, Mexican newspapers reported seeing the "northern lights" in Mexico in 1859 when ordinarily they never see northern lights in Mexico.

As others have already said, the strict accuracy of the report may be questionable, and the interpretation seems biased to think in military terms of some battle, but I don't think we can rule out some kind of natural phenomenon, though without better information, it's hard to say exactly what it may have been.

originally posted by: ARM1968
There have been numerous examples of people walking into brief episodes of the past and of people seeing the future.

You mean there have been stories told by people who perhaps had difficulty interpreting what they saw. But we have plenty of examples to illustrate that it's unwise to take extraordinary stories at face value. One example: this UFO seen by 30 witnesses was finally identified, and taught us that taking stories at face value is not a valid scientific approach, because what the witnesses thought was a close encounter, was not really a close encounter. There are plenty more examples like this.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions about time travel, but from a scientific perspective, time travel explanations are more extraordinary than most other explanations which don't involve time travel, and as the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which stories are not.

Indeed, extraordinary, as is the woodcut and the account. However, as I posted above, natural phenomena could be an explanation, although I have seen any Aurora which might be interpreted as crosses, balls and the other features on the woodcut. It is one explanation.

I don’t believe an alien battle is likely for the reasons I stated above.

I do believe time slips and glimpses of past and future are possible. I think it is equally unwise to dismiss people’s experiences of strange events as without scientific rigour how could we be sure either way.

For instance, when my first child was on his way we went to some incredibly boring birthing classes. The room has a totally bland beige carpet. I sort of drifted off on the first session and was just staring at the carpet when I saw a sudden jumble of long rectangles in the weave. They grew clearer until I could see a train crash. We went home. Nothing on the news. In the morning there was a huge rail crash in London. Weird. I literally saw the jumble of carriages.

Next visit, carpet, I saw an earthquake. Wasn’t devastating but I saw it and when we got home there had been an earthquake which was news worthy.

Third visit I saw a weird circle struggling to leave the ground, like a big wheel with spokes. It was white. Next day news reported trouble lifting the London Eye in to place. After this my wife banned me from looking

Time isn’t linear apparently.

Anyway, we will never know for certain, but it is a fun topic and I like my explanation best.

The crashing and smoking objects involved contradict the possibility it was just an aurora.
It's not impossible to have Northern lights at this latitude. Even a weird ones like those in CHina recently. Especially if Earth's magnetic field was as weak as these days which I have no idea how to check respectively. A strong solar storm with a normal geomagnetic shield would do the trick too.

a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

I've never seen the northern lights in my life. I lived in Saratov and Moscow. Russia is a northern country, but the northern lights are rare to the south of Arkhangelsk. Mostly in Murmansk, but this is beyond the Arctic Circle.

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: chunder

This print shows October 5, 1591. Maybe the northern lights are possible at this time. But on April 4 - I don't think so.

I'm not trying to argue that Northern lights may or may not have been involved, I have no idea about that.

But I do know that solar flares can cause northern lights to temporarily appear at latitudes lower than where they normally appear. Smaller solar flares can cause smaller displacements, larger solar flares can produce larger displacements of aurorae. For an extreme example of the latter, Mexican newspapers reported seeing the "northern lights" in Mexico in 1859 when ordinarily they never see northern lights in Mexico.

As others have already said, the strict accuracy of the report may be questionable, and the interpretation seems biased to think in military terms of some battle, but I don't think we can rule out some kind of natural phenomenon, though without better information, it's hard to say exactly what it may have been.

originally posted by: ARM1968
There have been numerous examples of people walking into brief episodes of the past and of people seeing the future.

You mean there have been stories told by people who perhaps had difficulty interpreting what they saw. But we have plenty of examples to illustrate that it's unwise to take extraordinary stories at face value. One example: this UFO seen by 30 witnesses was finally identified, and taught us that taking stories at face value is not a valid scientific approach, because what the witnesses thought was a close encounter, was not really a close encounter. There are plenty more examples like this.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions about time travel, but from a scientific perspective, time travel explanations are more extraordinary than most other explanations which don't involve time travel, and as the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which stories are not.

I do believe time slips and glimpses of past and future are possible. I think it is equally unwise to dismiss people’s experiences of strange events as without scientific rigor how could we be sure either way.

I had a time slip once. Very weird feeling.

Nothing big. Just a house appeared that didn't exist in my time line.

could've been a 'tear' in the time space fabric.........due to massive amounts of energy, like bombs etc.......

originally posted by: ARM1968
Yes. Exactly. A flash forward if you will. Heavy bombers looked a lot like crosses in the sky. AA bursts a lots like circles. Any more of a stretch than considering it an alien battle? a reply to: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
But we don't know how to navigate the fabric of time. If time is the constant application of physical laws and the input on it, thus making us experience change and in combination with our memory as events in a chronic order, a lot of predetermined, unchangeable outcomes had to happen at that moment in time to even be able to experience the right kind of future, to compare it with bombers from WW2.

The problem is that we do not really know if it's possible to see into a different time. In fact, we know as much about that as we know about Aliens, both are just hypothesis.

originally posted by: ARM1968
So it’s one of three things only. Natural phenomena - possible. Aliens having a fall out - possible but significantly unlikely in my opinion. Or a glimpse of the future, which fits well - again, in MY opinion.

Why limit it to only three possibilities? Why couldn't it be, for example, a mix of two things, like, for example, an aurora borealis and a fireworks display (some explanations point to that possibility)?

Yes, it's even less likely than an aurora borealis, but at least we do know that both exist.

PS: I don't have any theory about it.

Orbs of all different colour types and lots of em............. No idea on the rest of the scene

Solar flares and natural phenomena, right Arb. How about some modern era swamp gas in that dog fight?

there has been a lot of research on this as hidden history. I think this has been referred to in other lore, like Allies of Humanity or Matilda ODonnell macelory , the Legend/Myth. The key seems to pertain to Nuremberg as holding a special place for ET oversight of human civilization. I’ll find the references later.

my personal belief is that as long as there has been stars in the sky, there has been war among civilizations unknown. I’ll leave it at that...

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: chunder

This print shows October 5, 1591. Maybe the northern lights are possible at this time. But on April 4 - I don't think so.

I'm not trying to argue that Northern lights may or may not have been involved, I have no idea about that.

But I do know that solar flares can cause northern lights to temporarily appear at latitudes lower than where they normally appear. Smaller solar flares can cause smaller displacements, larger solar flares can produce larger displacements of aurorae. For an extreme example of the latter, Mexican newspapers reported seeing the "northern lights" in Mexico in 1859 when ordinarily they never see northern lights in Mexico.

As others have already said, the strict accuracy of the report may be questionable, and the interpretation seems biased to think in military terms of some battle, but I don't think we can rule out some kind of natural phenomenon, though without better information, it's hard to say exactly what it may have been.

originally posted by: ARM1968
There have been numerous examples of people walking into brief episodes of the past and of people seeing the future.

You mean there have been stories told by people who perhaps had difficulty interpreting what they saw. But we have plenty of examples to illustrate that it's unwise to take extraordinary stories at face value. One example: this UFO seen by 30 witnesses was finally identified, and taught us that taking stories at face value is not a valid scientific approach, because what the witnesses thought was a close encounter, was not really a close encounter. There are plenty more examples like this.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions about time travel, but from a scientific perspective, time travel explanations are more extraordinary than most other explanations which don't involve time travel, and as the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which stories are not.

Battle of aliens in the skies over Nuremberg in 1561

Theatrical display from Them.The UFO Phenomenon loves to put on a good show.

originally posted by: play4keeps

my personal belief is that as long as there has been stars in the sky, there has been war among civilizations unknown. I’ll leave it at that...

Excellent!

I’ve been looking at the the Nuremberg wood cut depiction, and decided to Adhoc Analyze the scene based on face value to what it appears to me…..in terms of topography and location.



Here goes…..

The depiction from the wood cutter’s point of view is that he is positioned, facing west from the east side of the Wordersee Lake….one can postulate that the winter season stretched into April and the lake was frozen, accounting for the humans standing on it.




Below, while standing In this position, the wood cutter is also positioned to right side (northeast side) of St. Sebald church. He is also standing to the right side (northeast side) of Sinwell Tower at the castle.



Given the word cutter’s position and field of view, he is across the lake from the west side to which the air battle debris is depicted to may have fallen (green triangle or approximate area)!

If this hypothesis is correct, then perhaps under centuries of dirt, air battle debris may be there buried to find!

What has not been found on Google earth etc…. Is the church shown on the wood cut near the east shore of the lake (blue ellipse). Perhaps it was leveled long ago…..there’s a park now on that side of the lake.

The wood cutter’s possible position and field of view would be somewhere in between where both black lines narrow.

The red rectangle is St. Sebald Church the red Circle is the castle’s Sinwell Tower. Btw St. Loren, another huge church, is south of St. Sebald. St. Sebald is the oldest and closest to the Castle.



Well that’s it…….it would be a nice adventure to hunt for the debris from the purported air battle, IF in fact it existed at all and still in the area.

Well this was funnnnnnnnn…even if it’s total bogus to some ….but what if it’s truly possible to other’s….Hmmmmm

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Great research!
Thanks.