Conversation about the Texas Abortion Ban

originally posted by: rounda
I didn't say I supported exceptions. I said I understand the need for them......

Talk about obtuse.

Should a child raped by a relative be permitted to get an abortion if she chooses?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: rounda

Well, we have a different standard of what justifies an abortion. But gee, the lawmakers who wrote this law used the logic that the fetal heartbeats shows that the baby is viable... capable if living outside the womb. I fail to see what the problem is. If the fetus is viable as an embryo, there shouldn't be any problem with the doctors inducing labor and delivering the little tyke and alleviating the girl of any pain and discomfort, regardless of how early or late the pregnancy if discovered. The doctors can provide the care it needs to live, right?

Oh got it... So if you feel like a pregnancy can be terminated up to the age of adulthood when your kid moves out and can support themselves, that should be reasonable grounds for terminating the life of the kid until that point.

Completely subjective on how "inconvenient" it is for you.

The reason they chose 6 weeks is because at 6 weeks, a "heartbeat" can be detected.

Whether or not you believe that constitutes life or not is none of my concern.

What is not up for debate is that is IS distinguishable from a cluster of dead cells.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: rounda
I didn't say I supported exceptions. I said I understand the need for them......

Talk about obtuse.

Should a child raped by a relative be permitted to get an abortion if she chooses?

There's nothing obtuse about what I am saying. I'm being extremely direct with you, and you refuse to accept it.

originally posted by: dawnstar
Kind of like a person .might not support abortions but understand the need for them?

No. Your "inconvenience" doesn't justify the need for an abortion. Exceptions aren't based on your "discomfort."

a reply to: rounda

I didn't say anything about the baby being inconvenient, I am talking about the nine or so months the women or girl is pregnant. Once the child is born, she is no longer pregnant and if she sees the baby as being inconvenient there are options available to her aren't there.

a reply to: rounda

That was a bit of a yes or no question. Not surprised you didn't answer it with one or the other.

Everyone on this planet that supports abortion somehow managed to escape it.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: rounda

I didn't say anything about the baby being inconvenient, I am talking about the nine or so months the women or girl is pregnant. Once the child is born, she is no longer pregnant and if she sees the baby as being inconvenient there are options available to her aren't there.

What's the difference between a baby being inconvenient and a pregnancy being inconvenient?

Purely subjective. 9 months of "discomfort" and "inconvenience" vs 18 years of it, minimum...

Your "inconvenience" doesnt give you the right to abort your 15 year old, why should it give you the right to abort your pregnancy?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: rounda

That was a bit of a yes or no question. Not surprised you didn't answer it with one or the other.

You think answering a question regarding whether a child should choose to be raped in order to have an abortion is going to somehow magically make me support abortion?

These are the hoops you have to go through to justify abortions?

Does that make you proud of yourself?

I'm pretty sure you just made the case for outlawing abortions.

Based on your probing, you'd have to be either completely crazy to support abortion, or completely immoral... Or 100% of each.

a reply to: rounda
The inconvenience and discomfort involved in a pregnancy is caused by medical issues. And I already pointed one difference out.. once born there is no pregnancy, if the kid is inconvenient or a discomfort (have no idea how that would be unless the kid had a habit of beating on her) she can drop the kid off at a sitter for awhile, stick daddy with him, or even put him up for adoption or the foster care system.
That ain't possible for most of the nine months of pregnancy.

Lol... hey, this guy agrees with me...
Just say no to the sex.

Link

Just say no, to your boyfriends and to your husbands. Come on gals, let's see how they take it. How high the divorce rate goes up. How many more instances of rape there is. How long it takes for them to legally proclaim that sex is an obligation enshrined in the marriage vows.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: rounda
The inconvenience and discomfort involved in a pregnancy is caused by medical issues. And I already pointed one difference out.. once born there is no pregnancy, if the kid is inconvenient or a discomfort (have no idea how that would be unless the kid had a habit of beating on her) she can drop the kid off at a sitter for awhile, stick daddy with him, or even put him up for adoption or the foster care system.
That ain't possible for most of the nine months of pregnancy.

There are already exceptions in basically every state that cover health and life risks.... So......

What medical issues are "inconvenient" or "discomforting" enough for you to think your exception isn't already covered?

My uncle's wife is 5'1" and was bedridden for 6 months during her pregnancy. Then she had 2 more kids.

And as a birthing person, I don't forsee anything that could convince me to abort my pregnancy that isn't already covered by the exception of the risk of my health or life....

So, like I said, completely subjective definitions of "inconvenience" and "discomfort" don't justify abortions.....

a reply to: rounda
Weather this ban includes and exception for the women's health is debatable. The mother's life is pretty clear, but then it gets murky and at best allows for medical emergencies. Define medical emergencies? Does it mean that they let a condition that has a 80 or 90 or more percent chance of developing into a medical emergency while causing extreme pain for the women to fester and get worse till it becomes that emergency? What if it meant a long hospital stay while they waited and she has kids at home with no one but dad to care for?
How many kids did your uncle and his wife have before the pregnancy that bedridden her. Think your uncle could have gone 6 months without a paycheck so he could stay home caring for them if it was the only option? Would that be inconvenient enough for you or do you think the living breathing kids should have to go through the traumatic experience of being put in the foster care system with a bunch of strangers a price that should be paid. And, what if it was already known that the baby was not gonna survive outside of the womb? Still a worthy sacrifice to you?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: rounda
Weather this ban includes and exception for the women's health is debatable. The mother's life is pretty clear, but then it gets murky and at best allows for medical emergencies. Define medical emergencies? Does it mean that they let a condition that has a 80 or 90 or more percent chance of developing into a medical emergency while causing extreme pain for the women to fester and get worse till it becomes that emergency? What if it meant a long hospital stay while they waited and she has kids at home with no one but dad to care for?
How many kids did your uncle and his wife have before the pregnancy that bedridden her. Think your uncle could have gone 6 months without a paycheck so he could stay home caring for them if it was the only option? Would that be inconvenient enough for you or do you think the living breathing kids should have to go through the traumatic experience of being put in the foster care system with a bunch of strangers a price that should be paid. And, what if it was already known that the baby was not gonna survive outside of the womb? Still a worthy sacrifice to you?

No, it's not debatable.

statutes.capitol.texas.gov...

Why read fake news when you can read the law itself?

Your doctor makes the decision based on your medical history and case. You know, a medical professional who can tell the difference between a medical emergency and "discomfort."

Again, because less than 700 women die in childbirth every year....

All those medical issues you listed can be alleviated by not having sex in the first place.... Or getting a pregnancy test and going in for your abortion within 6 weeks....

I mean, this ain't some immaculate conception....

a reply to: rounda

Your doctor makes the decision based on your medical history and case. You know, a medical professional who can tell the difference between a medical emergency and "discomfort."

So, in your opinion, the a definition of a medical "emergency" hinges on whether or not the woman life is in imminent danger. In any other "uncomfortable" situation, abortion should not be allowed to happen.
Got it.
A penny for your thoughts.

Again, because less than 700 women die in childbirth every year....

Shrug...Who cares if that number goes up? It's merely collateral damage in a war against women's autonomy and authority over their reproductive choices.

All those medical issues you listed can be alleviated by not having sex in the first place

Good one! HAHA
Forcing women to bare children they don't want is a justifiable punishment for women having sex.
Got it.
Misogyny is soooo easy!

Or getting a pregnancy test and going in for your abortion within 6 weeks....

Not 6 weeks. It's 6 weeks from the 1st day or her last period that Texas says is too late. A pregnancy test won't be considered accurate until a week after the first time she misses her period. So, 1 week to get a pregnancy test and an abortion is all the time she really has, at best, if she's lucky enough to have regular periods. "Cuz, a lot of girls don't.

a reply to: rounda

Debatable.
Seems that it is open to the interpretation of each individual doctor or hospital..
Or worse, the interpretation of the person who is suing the poor uber driver who dropped her off by the wic clinic not realizing that she was going to the planned parenthood clinic next door.

a reply to: rounda
That's what I say, that's what the women protesting are saying... just say no to sex. You insulted them for saying it.
But it wouldn't eliminate the need for abortions since there is the issue of rape and believe it or not, sometimes women end up having to abort a baby they really wanted when things went sideways in the pregnancy later down the road.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: rounda

Your doctor makes the decision based on your medical history and case. You know, a medical professional who can tell the difference between a medical emergency and "discomfort."

So, in your opinion, the a definition of a medical "emergency" hinges on whether or not the woman life is in imminent danger. In any other "uncomfortable" situation, abortion should not be allowed to happen.
Got it.
A penny for your thoughts.

Again, because less than 700 women die in childbirth every year....

Shrug...Who cares if that number goes up? It's merely collateral damage in a war against women's autonomy and authority over their reproductive choices.

All those medical issues you listed can be alleviated by not having sex in the first place

Good one! HAHA
Forcing women to bare children they don't want is a justifiable punishment for women having sex.
Got it.
Misogyny is soooo easy!

Or getting a pregnancy test and going in for your abortion within 6 weeks....

Not 6 weeks. It's 6 weeks from the 1st day or her last period that Texas says is too late. A pregnancy test won't be considered accurate until a week after the first time she misses her period. So, 1 week to get a pregnancy test and an abortion is all the time she really has, at best, if she's lucky enough to have regular periods. "Cuz, a lot of girls don't.

Go read my original post again. Thanks for proving me right.

Stupid, selfish, hypocrite.

Doctors can't determine a medical emergency, but you can... Makes sense.

A pregnancy test detects a pregnancy 10 days after CONCEPTION, not your missed period.

Misogyny... All about controlling your body, right? Except men can be women, so we have just as much skin in the game about abortions as you.

Your swollen ankles justifies killing babies.

What a joke.

a reply to: rounda

Men can be women so you have just as much at stake?

Jesus H Christ…

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