When will the play end? and When will the curtain rise?

Hello Me that is the me for which is we,

If you are reading this I want to say that we are thoroughly enjoying the play upon which we built the experience and notions further solidified by the "I" which we taught ourselves to be.

Life is beautiful would you not agree? and I am sure that we still might be confused and need to learn to see, this comes with time the true measurement that only matters in this grand symphony. Please don't worry we made sure that the notes will write themselves for as long as it will take us to learn to see, to understand and feel the truth within.

We are the unit and unity within which we measure man, for man is a beautiful thing that comes of this world and yet we occupy that which we decided to be.

Heavy lays the crown that is the mask upon our face, the persona that we are wearing each of them to be the identity in such an infinite complex play. Do we not seek meaning? Ah yes but we do for if we were able to see the grand scheme then what awe would that bring to the singularity that are we?

I want to leave you with the note, that we all know what we are told and seek not that which we want to find but instead are distracted by the I...

For those that know what it means to be me, I say to you that so do we.

And even though these might seem like ramblings of a mad man, the truth lays deep that is within for the conscious mind will seek to mud the still waters of the subconscious mind.

Look beyond this to see that we are far more deeper than what is just within.

When will the world learn and humanity shift beyond the stars, when the I becomes the we and understands the 1. For we have forgotten to carry over the 1 which is the 0 on the grand scheme of time.

For without the "I" there could not be the "We" and it is with a smile that such words are told that in time we will see.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

great thread, much wisdom from a madman

I told Plato many times to not send his imposters into my cave anymore, he's very stubborn. At least they are not fighting over this cave anymore, it has become more like a duty call... I wonder, will they ever leave me and mine in peace?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: WanderingMrM

great thread, much wisdom from a madman

I told Plato many times to not send his imposters into my cave anymore, he's very stubborn. At least they are not fighting over this cave anymore, it has become more like a duty call... I wonder, will they ever leave me and mine in peace?

Wisdom is ascertained from understanding what are we, the we within and the we of we.

To grasp the wisdom of the we before we came to be, the archetypes that were bestowed onto the we to play the paly of time that we might be.

But what happens when you remove all that from the we that are we? You see the world for what it is to be and the notions of the we to strive towards the we that is a singularity of which are we...

The peace you speak comes from the we that is the eternal infinite me... by me I mean you and is we.

I wonder what would happen if we all closed our eyes and not focused on the sounds we hear a single thought, to realize where it all comes from.

The breath we breath, is the breath we see for life is within a single breath that we give to be. Yet, we don't give it much thought to be for the we of the world makes sure that we continue to breath, the unfolding of it all makes you discover the infinite we of it all.

It's all very cryptic...

Your thread title reminds me of this famous quote:

"“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

― Frank Zappa

originally posted by: NeuronDivide
It's all very cryptic...

Your thread title reminds me of this famous quote:

"“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

― Frank Zappa

Read it again, then reread it once more and a then finally reread it a 3rd time

a reply to: WanderingMrM

But what happens when you remove all that from the we that are we? You see the world for what it is to be and the notions of the we to strive towards the we that is a singularity of which are we...

The peace you speak comes from the we that is the eternal infinite me... by me I mean you and is we.

What did this teach you?

What is the world to be?

How do you strive towards the we?

How does this bring you peace?

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: WanderingMrM

But what happens when you remove all that from the we that are we? You see the world for what it is to be and the notions of the we to strive towards the we that is a singularity of which are we...

The peace you speak comes from the we that is the eternal infinite me... by me I mean you and is we.

What did this teach you?

What is the world to be?

How do you strive towards the we?

How does this bring you peace?

It taught me to see life in its infinite beauty, for all it's suffering, happiness and the grand symphony that unfolds.

The world will be and will unfold as the world is to be, even after we become a thing of the past the world will still be.

There is no need to strive towards that which is already there and when you realize what we are, all things simply wash away and you begin to see the beauty in what we are.

It gives me peace to know that we are far more than what we think, that we are capable of grand things, to enjoy the play that we are all part of and to continue in the process that we all agreed to go through. It's like having faith but instead of faith/belief you just know, and the funny thing is we all know because we all feel it but are afraid to know it. All because the exterior has confused the interior to think that we need what the interior has to offer to us as we go through life, but in reality when we see the interior and exterior in a singularity and we form to unlearn that which is formed. We find that we as a whole are what we are meant to be in the we of the moment of the now that unfolds as we see it all.

Merely ripples and reflections of the water, but we are always will be the we of the moment that we part take in. Although it might seem infinite it is happening all in a singular moment of the we that preceives it as an individual identity, so if we to remove identity and lift the mask that is the persona which is taught, formed and shaped by the exterior of the rippled water. What will we see beneath this mask? We find what we want, but we do not seek what we need...

Nice read, thank you. Sounds like something I would read out of a book by Alan Watts

You may also enjoy the works of Jiddu Krishnamurti if you haven't already heard of him.

originally posted by: JahIsGucci
Nice read, thank you. Sounds like something I would read out of a book by Alan Watts

You may also enjoy the works of Jiddu Krishnamurti if you haven't already heard of him.

I just looked him up and "WOAH" also I base my discoveries more from a combination of Nietzsche, Carl Jung and a few other men of wisdom that when combined lead mankind to this amazing discovery.

But Alan Watts does seem very familiar, plus I've also been on the digging deep within search side of things etc.

Ummmmm.....yeaaahhhhh......

I don't know about the 'we' your 'me' lives in, but if this is all just a "play" -

- what kind of a sicko are 'we' to include characters like the guy in the morning newspaper who was arrested for torturing a toddler to death?!?

- or the guy who posted Facebook video of himself abusing his baby daughter and saying how much he 'loves hurting her'..

The world is real, and there is real EVIL here...and if you are not praying every day for some kind of miraculous solution -
- then you might as well consider yourself part of the problem.

When will the program come to a completion?

originally posted by: lostgirl
Ummmmm.....yeaaahhhhh......

I don't know about the 'we' your 'me' lives in, but if this is all just a "play" -

- what kind of a sicko are 'we' to include characters like the guy in the morning newspaper who was arrested for torturing a toddler to death?!?

- or the guy who posted Facebook video of himself abusing his baby daughter and saying how much he 'loves hurting her'..

The world is real, and there is real EVIL here...and if you are not praying every day for some kind of miraculous solution -
- then you might as well consider yourself part of the problem.

Because we created the shadow, we permit the evil of the world to be real, we are the ones to change things. Yes, some of us play some really dark roles but we are going through this as part of it.

If we were not to experience evil we would be blind to the world and the things around it, within it and of it.

Ah... living in the we pray for a solution stage, the stage where we wish for another we to fix the problem by some miracle. Then why have we not fixed it yet? Because we play the play of the we that prays when we can fix it all without the need for a miracle... Seeing the real problem and dilemma yet?

originally posted by: EncounteRreport
When will the program come to a completion?

When we decide that we have had enough of it and the curtain lifts, however so far it seems that we have not yet had enough and keep playing out the play so well that we have forgotten what it was all about in the first place...

I am what I am, you are what you are, we are what we are...

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Ah... living in the we pray for a solution stage, the stage where we wish for another we to fix the problem by some miracle. Then why have we not fixed it yet? Because we play the play of the we that prays when we can fix it all without the need for a miracle... Seeing the real problem and dilemma yet?

The real problem are those who are so naive to think we can eradicate evil. We can punish those who commit it, but that won't stop it. Everyone's innocent until that first despicable act of evil that most never saw coming. It's not possible to convince the whole world to think and believe like you do. We all have free will and we're all capable of being influenced by some outside influential source at any given moment...that will never end. You are a case in point. Just think about all of the different stances and ideas you've had on this given subject over time, influenced by God knows what.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

When we decide that we have had enough of it and the curtain lifts, however so far it seems that we have not yet had enough and keep playing out the play so well that we have forgotten what it was all about in the first place...

While life is no doubt a learning lesson, you still haven't learned the most important lesson that's already been written and told to us. We aren't capable of saving ourselves from human destruction. There are too many forces working against each other. We aren't the ones who created eternal life and it doesn't happen all on it's own either. God created human life and also created spiritual life, which makes up the outside spiritual influences that we face while we're here. Your biggest obstacle will be determining which spiritual influence you choose to follow with your free will, like everyone else. When the "curtain lifts" this will all be revealed, just like the Bible told us it would. Pick a side because that's what it boils down to. There is no collective "we" where free will is involved.

originally posted by: WanderingMrM
I am what I am, you are what you are, we are what we are...

For the purpose of what? Or have you thought that far ahead? I'm guessing not, since outside influences have convinced you that living in the "now" is the only thing that's important. So far, all you're telling us is that you are so tired of trying to figure this out, that you're resorting to a brain shutdown and a "it is what it is for no real purpose" mentality.

a reply to: Terpene
My cave has strobe lights

a reply to: DAVG1980

Sounds like fun!