Harvard epidemiologist says the case for COVID vaccine passports was just demolished

originally posted by: Imperator2
The 6 month booster shots are proven to be very effective for profit margins. So please make sure you get the vax and all subsequent booster shots in order to keep the highly effective protection against poverty for big pharma. /sarc

There is a 0% chance that they eradicate this virus through vaccination or herd immunity. Look at the seasonal flu - did we reach herd immunity on it? Last time I checked it is still there and will mutate each season.

This virus will be with us for a long time. What we need to focus on is cheap effective treatments for it. Similar to ivermectin, vitamins and basic antibiotics. Unfortunately those things are cheap and plentiful thus not as effective at increasing profits for big pharma. Not even going to start going into the whole great reset angle which looks more and more possible with all the information starting to come out.

a reply to: Tekner

Antibiotics??? Seriously? Stop it.

a reply to: lostgirl

I don’t think the agenda for vax passports ever had to do with health, they’re about control. So this study will have zero impact on the groups seeking the vax passports.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: lostgirl

I'm starting to think that perhaps one booster every six months or so might be the best case scenario if we are to go down the vaccine route.

Speak for yourself please...

As for me and mine, we will go the natural immunity (the only sane) route.

originally posted by: MrNewWorldOrder
originally posted by: Imperator2
Antibiotics??? Seriously? Stop it.

I'm quite sure they were speaking in terms of fighting the most serious complications, which is bacterial pneumonia.

This is specifically why the HCQ protocol included the z-pack (which is an antibiotic), although I don't think it should have been (or should ever be) given without confirmation of a serious bacterial infection.

originally posted by: lostgirl
Please, keep in mind - I'm not "anti-vax"...my whole family had the Johnson&Johnson shot...

...But I definitely am definitely 'anti-'forced' vaxes',

Sorry to tell you, the new definition of anti-vaxxer includes anyone who is against mandatory jabs.

Welcome to the club.

a reply to: lostgirl

Something else that is not been in the media, but by personal experience, my daughter said that people with the yearly flu shot are not getting as sick with covid either.

She has noticed that also.

No wonder the flu was forgotten by the CDC and Pharma in order to push covic jabs for all.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: 1947boomer

If you haven't had Covid-19 yet and you think you can reliably avoid ever acquiring an infectious dose of Sars-Cov-2 then not getting the vaccine is a rational choice, since it wouldn't do you any good. However, I personally think the probability of NOT being exposed to an infectious dose of the virus is practically zero if you're a normal member of society--if not this year, then the next one or the one after that.

OK: To my knowledge, I have not had Covid, and I have also not had any vaccine. I go out into the public around 2wice a week and the only time I wear a mask is for diplomacy when I see the need. I seldom use hand sanitizer and I don't try to sterilize the handcart rails. I have made it through, what, a year and a half now and am still typing on this damnable instrument of the devil. I have been using Ivermectin since the time I first learned of its benefits, and continue using it until the VAX Nazi come knocking on my door.
I feel certain that I have natural antibody immunity at this point, but I'm not letting this medical assault anywhere near me, not even to go in for an antibody lab test. If they try to make me take a PCR covid swab, somebody is going to get hurt.

This crap is orchestrated genocide.

I attended the January 6th rally in DC, and mingled with hundreds of thousands of other patriots that day. No One was wearing a mask.

Go to your doctor and demand Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine prescriptions. And any other prophylactic you can think of. Demand it or quit that doctor for he is betraying his oath to do no harm.

I'm right with you on everything. I go into public daily, I wear a mask begrudgingly, when needed to avoid the wrath of the Karen's. I don't use hand sanitize, ever. Though I do wash my hands with soap and water when needed, as per usual. I am not vaxxed for covid (and won't ever be, though I am vaxxed for practically all else) and I'm an even bigger risk taker than you...I don't take anything other than vitamin D3 daily. I have not been sick once since this started. Same with the past decade. My only "medication" is that I smoke cannabis nightly so I can sleep...and yes, it was prescribed to me due to PTSD. I eat well and I try to get regular exercise. I simply don't view myself as being a high risk for SARS 2. I survived being on the frontline of SARS 1 in 2002/3...which is why I don't trust anything this time around, as we are doing everything backwards...and there was no vaccine needed for that.

So, if I die, I die. But I do not fear death. I do fear totalitarianism though...and it's most obviously here.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: lostgirl
Please, keep in mind - I'm not "anti-vax"...my whole family had the Johnson&Johnson shot...

...But I definitely am definitely 'anti-'forced' vaxes',

Sorry to tell you, the new definition of anti-vaxxer includes anyone who is against mandatory jabs.

Welcome to the club.

I wonder if anyone in public health has noticed that by mandating vaccines (not trusting the public) they have done more damage to the trust needed for public health to be effective, and on top of that, they have done more damage than any anti-vaxx group in this history of vaccines?

If anyone truly believes the governments care about your health...you are lost.

The real conspiracy theorists believe:

1) The mainstream media is truth.
2) Politicians represent the people.
3) Billionaires will fix everything.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: lostgirl
Please, keep in mind - I'm not "anti-vax"...my whole family had the Johnson&Johnson shot...

...But I definitely am definitely 'anti-'forced' vaxes',

Sorry to tell you, the new definition of anti-vaxxer includes anyone who is against mandatory jabs.

Welcome to the club.

I wonder if anyone in public health has noticed that by mandating vaccines (not trusting the public) they have done more damage to the trust needed for public health to be effective, and on top of that, they have done more damage than any anti-vaxx group in this history of vaccines?



If anyone truly believes the governments care about your health...you are lost.

The real conspiracy theorists believe:

1) The mainstream media is truth.
2) Politicians represent the people.
3) Billionaires will fix everything.

No polio or MMR shots for you or your family?…I guess you think there are no viruses that will hurt you. Maybe you can use republican shamans in case of contagion from another virus.

a reply to: strongfp

Both doses were bad for me. The first gave me a night of horrendous body aches. The second gave me swollen glands and low grade fever and fatigue for about three days.

That is good to know and I think we have to give people the right to choose. Unfortunately I've seen too many people in the hospital because what they thought was right in turn ended up killing or almost killing them. IDK, I'm still a supporter of the vaccine considering almost half of America is considered at risk just for being obese (40% of Americans are obese).

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Serdgiam

Definition of anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes vaccination or laws that mandate vaccination

wow, that sure makes it easy to call most people who aren't douche bags "anti vaxxers". But I suppose that does free up the term Douche Bag, to be much wider in it's usage.

The problem with natural immunity is that it can't be reliably gained. You can't become naturally immune without getting covid, and you can't schedule when you get covid or how serious it will be.

In contrast, you can book your vax in advance. It's something that can be scheduled and recorded.

Think beurocracy, rather than conspiracy.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: strongfp

Both doses were bad for me. The first gave me a night of horrendous body aches. The second gave me swollen glands and low grade fever and fatigue for about three days.

If your reaction to the shot was that bad you'd probably have gotten covid much worse. All of the above plus breathing difficulty and so on.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

It could also be that I had already had it and was reacting to pre-existing antibodies.

a reply to: jimmyx

You ok? Did you get triggered or something?

My health is my business only. Not yours.

Now fu#k off, please.

a reply to: 1947boomer

Problem is, I have worked alongside within arms reach 6 or 7 different people that popped positive for it and I am unvaccinated, and according to an antibody test a few weeks ago I have zero antibodies for covid.

*shrugs* so either the test to see you have it is screwed up, or the antibody test is screwed up or someone is lying.

You would think statistically I should have caught a piece of it by now.

a reply to: tanstaafl

The virus is real and is endemic at this point. And the vaccines have shown they do work. I just think the whole 'double dose' situation was way overkill. And a failed experiment. Which raises all sorts of screwed up questions.

a reply to: ketsuko

That's not good to hear... thankfully it'st just a 'fake reaction'. Did you take Moderna by any chance?

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: lostgirl
So, this is a very interesting development - I'd like to think it would prove enlightening to all those people who push the 'vaccine' agenda...

Link: www.themainewire.com...

“The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a ‘Don’t try this at home’ label,” the Scientific American reported Thursday. “The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.”

Please, keep in mind - I'm not "anti-vax"...my whole family had the Johnson&Johnson shot...

...But I definitely am definitely 'anti-'forced' vaxes', and I have no desire to end up being coerced into constant booster shots...

Here's a link to the actual medical study that the above article is quoting...
www.medrxiv.org...

I don't see how this reduces the argument for getting vaccinated.

If you haven't had Covid-19 yet and you think you can reliably avoid ever acquiring an infectious dose of Sars-Cov-2 then not getting the vaccine is a rational choice, since it wouldn't do you any good. However, I personally think the probability of NOT being exposed to an infectious dose of the virus is practically zero if you're a normal member of society--if not this year, then the next one or the one after that.

If you accept that you are likely to get an infectious dose of the virus at some point, then you are still better off getting the vaccine first. It reduces your risk of death by a lot when you finally do get the virus for the first time and will leave you with a higher level of immunity afterwards.

However, if you've already had Covid-19 either with or without a vaccine for whatever reason, I think you should have the same privilege for travel as someone who has either been vaccinated or tested negative. The criterion for travel should be whether you pose an acute undue risk to fellow travelers. If you've recovered from Covid-19 in, let's say the last 6 to 8 months then you probably don't pose a greater risk than someone who was vaccinated or tested negative.

If it was a real "pandemic" then most everyone would have already got the virus. Fact is, it's no more a pandemic than the common cold or the flu is.

Sure is being used though for control and great profit.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

The problem is that Covid is unpredictable. You don’t want to get a full blown infection. Most people feel like it’s just a bad cold and it’s over. But, and that’s the big rub, some of us end up in the hospital on respirators. Even after recovery there are severe long term health issues.

As a society do we want to play Russian roulette, or do we want to protect a small risk group?