FBI report: Nikola Tesla, inventor of wireless technology, an alien from Venus

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: sciencelol
Furthermore, I’m not sure what conditions existed on Venus and the orbit hundreds of millions or even a billions of years ago. Habitability or colonization might have been possible. I will have to go into the works of GVT to gather nuggets. I believe he claimed he was initially contacted by a young Venusian .

I don't know if anybody can say for sure what Venus was like that long ago, but in relation to Nikola Tesla, we aren't talking millions of years, only hundreds of years, and it seems clear Venus has been quite uninhabitable by humans for that long at least.

I will refer to A public sources of speculation include john Brandenburg, which aligns with the documents I have seen during my “project” without being more specific

John Brandenburg is an interesting character, who does speculate about nuclear explosions on Mars in the past, though I don't think his fellow scientists put much weight on his speculations. Even if Brandenburg's speculation was correct, it doesn't support Nikola Tesla coming from Venus.

Thank you, Arb. My thoughts:

Timelines; Venus colonization could have happened eons ago and advanced civilization could have continued to develop RELATIVISTIC to our planet and timeframe. Furthermore, Spacefaring is also timefaring, independent to the local planetary timeframe. craft and occupants of thousands years past could be the same on return in the future in conjunction with the propulsion system isolating the occupants from planetary space time and creating a local relativistic time. This means, quit simply, an ancient civilization could still exist on Venus or in our Solar System , as highly improbable it seems.

This is not the same as biological immortality, as you know but ability of a civilization to control development independent of temporal constraints we experience (BTW, and for your enlightenment/entertainment life expectancy is sufficiently advanced and the aging process is greatly retarded, in some of these species - however, DARPA/LL,LA/Mitre/SA/DIA contracts, et al. Uh, I saw species that had l e in tissue sam...well,nevermind, my friend Arb).

Now, what does this have to do with Tesla? Only the possibility that there is an ancient and highly advanced civilization inhabiting a planet that we believe is highly unlikely to support life and that if we are wrong, tesla could have grown up here to support or assist in our development.

this is only speculation on my part. However, the first part of my statement is fact and known by people tasked with studying interstellar and extra temporal navigation SAPs.

Another esoteric point, but I caught this interview yesterday on the Law of One and the Ra Tapes. By chance, It is mentioned twice during the interview that the source contact was from an advanced civilization from Venus. Take this at whatever value but do conceptualize that the downloading of information through conscious communication does take place. I was skeptical but changed after my work, so I have a high probability of belief the RA material is valid and accurate. My belief was Tesla did a need have conscious downloads of how the universe worked but he was brought here from off planet, is a stretch, I agree.

The Ra Material is a wholly separate topic and not for this thread but For Christ sake, we still can’t agree on what Tesla meant by energy, frequency, or vibration and understanding of the Universe let alone degrees of density of life forces, reincarnation, and the infinite soul, but I think there is relevance and interconnectedness to what Tesla was trying to convey.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: sciencelol
Furthermore, I’m not sure what conditions existed on Venus and the orbit hundreds of millions or even a billions of years ago. Habitability or colonization might have been possible. I will have to go into the works of GVT to gather nuggets. I believe he claimed he was initially contacted by a young Venusian .

I don't know if anybody can say for sure what Venus was like that long ago, but in relation to Nikola Tesla, we aren't talking millions of years, only hundreds of years, and it seems clear Venus has been quite uninhabitable by humans for that long at least.

I will refer to A public sources of speculation include john Brandenburg, which aligns with the documents I have seen during my “project” without being more specific

John Brandenburg is an interesting character, who does speculate about nuclear explosions on Mars in the past, though I don't think his fellow scientists put much weight on his speculations. Even if Brandenburg's speculation was correct, it doesn't support Nikola Tesla coming from Venus.

Brandenburg: my friends at Los Alamos think he is correct in his assessment. I have not seen a good refutation to his hypothesis. My point is if there was a humanoid civilization on Mars hundreds of millions of years ago, there certainly could have been one on Venus. And yes, nothing to support the idea Tesla was from Venus but I would not discount anything if someday in the future one and /or two could be possible.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: sciencelol
Furthermore, I’m not sure what conditions existed on Venus and the orbit hundreds of millions or even a billions of years ago. Habitability or colonization might have been possible. I will have to go into the works of GVT to gather nuggets. I believe he claimed he was initially contacted by a young Venusian .

I don't know if anybody can say for sure what Venus was like that long ago, but in relation to Nikola Tesla, we aren't talking millions of years, only hundreds of years, and it seems clear Venus has been quite uninhabitable by humans for that long at least.

I will refer to A public sources of speculation include john Brandenburg, which aligns with the documents I have seen during my “project” without being more specific

John Brandenburg is an interesting character, who does speculate about nuclear explosions on Mars in the past, though I don't think his fellow scientists put much weight on his speculations. Even if Brandenburg's speculation was correct, it doesn't support Nikola Tesla coming from Venus.

originally posted by: play4keeps
Brandenburg: my friends at Los Alamos think he is correct in his assessment. I have not seen a good refutation to his hypothesis.

The fact a hypothesis isn't refuted doesn't support it, in fact many irrational hypotheses go unrefuted because people don't want to waste their time with them. Recall Brandolini's law:

The Secrets of Life, the Universe, and Everything

Brandolini’s Law: “The amount of energy needed to refute bull# is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.”

However someone did look into Brandenburg's hypothesis and can find no evidence that xenon-129 is produced in nuclear explosions as Brandenburg claims.

Was Mars Murdered?

According to Brandenburg, xenon-129 is only produced during big nuclear events...

I can't find anything about xenon-129 being produced in nuclear explosions. In supernovae, sure, those produce pretty much everything. They're an alchemist's dream. But not a nuclear weapon...

for someone to actually investigate why he's wrong takes a lot of searching and specialized knowledge.

Does Brandenburg still think the "face on Mars" suggested in early Mars imagery is really a face? I thought the more recent images showed it wasn't, but I never heard him accept that.

New high-resolution images and 3D altimetry from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft reveal the Face on Mars for what it really is: a mesa.

In relation to Venus…..Ahhh yes….I remember when this was water cooler talk and the source of some ridicule…..circa 2020

Venus Is a Russian Planet ... Says Russia
Source: finance.yahoo.com...

……..”While Russia has a rich history of sending spacecraft to Venus—and has significantly contributed to our knowledge of the strange world—the country can't claim ownership of the planet just because it was the first to land there. (It's not likely that Rogozin meant it literally, anyways.) This is all thanks to the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, which prevents countries from owning any planet, moon, or other rocky body in the solar system and beyond”………
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Hmmmm let’s see how the 1967 treaty holds out when private companies are going to want to mine in space for minerals and resources…

Probably some sort of new changes and ratifying the present treaty or scrubbing it for a business friendly treaty….

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I have no idea what Brandenburg thinks about the Face. Here is imagery from NASA and it still looks like a face to me. But I always though it was pareidolia.

mars.nasa.gov...

I’ll look into your image a little closer.

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I have no idea what Brandenburg thinks about the Face.

The "Was Mars Murdered?" link I posted was from 2013 and referenced sources from 2012, and he explains all the science of why Brandenburg's hypothesis is wrong first. Then he goes into how Brandenburg got started down that path, because he was a "face on Mars" guy, who apparently didn't think it was pareidolia; it was hard to tell exactly what it was, in the early less detailed images.

Here is imagery from NASA and it still looks like a face to me. But I always though it was pareidolia.

That link shows a mix of older and newer images, so if you don't cite a specific image then I assume you're mistaken in saying "it still looks like a face to me", you're probably looking at older images. This is one of the newer images from your link:


Se we still have zero evidence of humanoid life on Mars or Venus in the present or past, where Venus is completely inhospitable to human life, though simpler organisms can't be ruled out and there are more plausible hypotheses for those, but on Venus they are proposed to be possible in the atmosphere; I haven't seen a credible hypothesis for more complex life forms on the surface of Venus (nor underground where I don't expect the conditions to be any better). At least on Mars we could speculate more plausibly about underground habitats for humanoids, but on Venus, I don't think so.

Thanks for introducing me to the Stuart Robbins podcast. I find all sides of the ET hypothesis on Mars intriguing, and the answers complex (Hoagland). Regarding this most recent image, one person can see Euclidean geometry and symmetry indicative of intelligent construction and the other can see a natural Mesa formation indicative of pareidolia

The new imagery does not answer that considering the hundreds of millions of years of sandblasting and erosion of Cydonia.

one thing about the Robbins and Brandenburg podcast is mr Robbins is dismissive of all things ET/UFO. He seems to have a good “pedigre” or at least enough to make judgements on what constitute pseudoscience and ill founded speculation (as you yourself have the habit of prognostication), however, as I have learned and most others have not, you either have access to the relevant special access programs and primer or you do not.

I don’t know what is going on in Mars or Venus. That was not my “NTK.” I do know there is a possession of ET species samples and this has made my personal quest for truth about the larger issues of disclosure all the more vexing

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I have no idea what Brandenburg thinks about the Face.

The "Was Mars Murdered?" link I posted was from 2013 and referenced sources from 2012, and he explains all the science of why Brandenburg's hypothesis is wrong first. Then he goes into how Brandenburg got started down that path, because he was a "face on Mars" guy, who apparently didn't think it was pareidolia; it was hard to tell exactly what it was, in the early less detailed images.

Here is imagery from NASA and it still looks like a face to me. But I always though it was pareidolia.

That link shows a mix of older and newer images, so if you don't cite a specific image then I assume you're mistaken in saying "it still looks like a face to me", you're probably looking at older images. This is one of the newer images from your link:

Se we still have zero evidence of humanoid life on Mars or Venus in the present or past, where Venus is completely inhospitable to human life, though simpler organisms can't be ruled out and there are more plausible hypotheses for those, but on Venus they are proposed to be possible in the atmosphere; I haven't seen a credible hypothesis for more complex life forms on the surface of Venus (nor underground where I don't expect the conditions to be any better). At least on Mars we could speculate more plausibly about underground habitats for humanoids, but on Venus, I don't think so.

originally posted by: play4keeps
Thanks for introducing me to the Stuart Robbins podcast. I find all sides of the ET hypothesis on Mars intriguing, and the answers complex (Hoagland). Regarding this most recent image, one person can see Euclidean geometry and symmetry indicative of intelligent construction and the other can see a natural Mesa formation indicative of pareidolia. I look at that image and see a hominid face. What do you see? The new imagery does not answer tge final question about the face considering the hundreds of millions of years of sandblasting and erosion of Cydonia.

one thing about the Robbins and Brandenburg podcast is mr Robbins is dismissive of all things ET/UFO. He seems to have a good “pedigre” or at least enough to make judgements on what constitute pseudoscience and ill founded speculation (as you yourself have the habit of prognostication), however, as I have learned and most others have not, you either have access to the relevant special access programs and primer or you do not.

I don’t know what is going on in Mars or Venus: That was not my “NTK.” I do know there is a possession of ET species samples and this has made my personal quest for truth about the larger issues of disclosure all the more vexing. I have met Brandenburg and had a conversation about these matters and other well informed physicists who have worked on weapons and they believe the Brandenburg hypothesis as highly plausible. Btw Brandenburg worked as in weapons physics and he would probably know a lot about xenon signatures but this all is OT and doesn’t have much to do with Tesla, at this point.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I have no idea what Brandenburg thinks about the Face.

The "Was Mars Murdered?" link I posted was from 2013 and referenced sources from 2012, and he explains all the science of why Brandenburg's hypothesis is wrong first. Then he goes into how Brandenburg got started down that path, because he was a "face on Mars" guy, who apparently didn't think it was pareidolia; it was hard to tell exactly what it was, in the early less detailed images.

Here is imagery from NASA and it still looks like a face to me. But I always though it was pareidolia.

That link shows a mix of older and newer images, so if you don't cite a specific image then I assume you're mistaken in saying "it still looks like a face to me", you're probably looking at older images. This is one of the newer images from your link:

Se we still have zero evidence of humanoid life on Mars or Venus in the present or past, where Venus is completely inhospitable to human life, though simpler organisms can't be ruled out and there are more plausible hypotheses for those, but on Venus they are proposed to be possible in the atmosphere; I haven't seen a credible hypothesis for more complex life forms on the surface of Venus (nor underground where I don't expect the conditions to be any better). At least on Mars we could speculate more plausibly about underground habitats for humanoids, but on Venus, I don't think so.

originally posted by: play4keeps
Thanks for introducing me to the Stuart Robbins podcast. I find all sides of the ET hypothesis on Mars intriguing, and the answers complex (Hoagland). Regarding this most recent image, one person can see Euclidean geometry and symmetry indicative of intelligent construction and the other can see a natural Mesa formation indicative of pareidolia. I look at that image and see a hominid face. What do you see? The new imagery does not answer tge final question about the face considering the hundreds of millions of years of sandblasting and erosion of Cydonia.

one thing about the Robbins and Brandenburg podcast is mr Robbins is dismissive of all things ET/UFO. He seems to have a good “pedigre” or at least enough to make judgements on what constitute pseudoscience and ill founded speculation (as you yourself have the habit of prognostication), however, as I have learned and most others have not, you either have access to the relevant special access programs and primer or you do not.

I don’t know what is going on in Mars or Venus: That was not my “NTK.” I do know there is a possession of ET species samples and this has made my personal quest for truth about the larger issues of disclosure all the more vexing. I have met Brandenburg and had a conversation about these matters and other well informed physicists who have worked on weapons and they believe the Brandenburg hypothesis as highly plausible. Btw Brandenburg worked as in weapons physics and he would probably know a lot about xenon signatures but this all is OT and doesn’t have much to do with Tesla, at this point.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: play4keeps
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I have no idea what Brandenburg thinks about the Face.

The "Was Mars Murdered?" link I posted was from 2013 and referenced sources from 2012, and he explains all the science of why Brandenburg's hypothesis is wrong first. Then he goes into how Brandenburg got started down that path, because he was a "face on Mars" guy, who apparently didn't think it was pareidolia; it was hard to tell exactly what it was, in the early less detailed images.

Here is imagery from NASA and it still looks like a face to me. But I always though it was pareidolia.

That link shows a mix of older and newer images, so if you don't cite a specific image then I assume you're mistaken in saying "it still looks like a face to me", you're probably looking at older images. This is one of the newer images from your link:

Se we still have zero evidence of humanoid life on Mars or Venus in the present or past, where Venus is completely inhospitable to human life, though simpler organisms can't be ruled out and there are more plausible hypotheses for those, but on Venus they are proposed to be possible in the atmosphere; I haven't seen a credible hypothesis for more complex life forms on the surface of Venus (nor underground where I don't expect the conditions to be any better). At least on Mars we could speculate more plausibly about underground habitats for humanoids, but on Venus, I don't think so.

originally posted by: Kreeate
So Venus is habitable now?

Inside the dome.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Kreeate
So Venus is habitable now?

Inside the dome.

Even in a dome you would just roast slower the average surface temperature is 847 degrees F. Ever put a pot on the stove on low with a lid? it eventually starts to boil without the lid it never gets hot enough. You have no way to remove heat on the surface This is why the Russians relied on insulation and did not try anything to cool the probe. And let's not even get into atmospheric pressures It exerts a pressure 92 times higher than the earths.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Arbi….an observation in looking at the pictures on the NASA site linked previously, it appears to me, that in any comparison of pictures of the purported Face, they should be in the best orientation possible given the distorted angles etc of the Face……

I’ve rotated 180deg the inset captioned pic….to now be somewhat “right side up” for comparisons to previously posted pics of the Face.



I agree that the Face is a Mesa-ish and not a Face at all….

Well we are mostly from Mars so…..a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Ive now seen a few videos speaking about Tesla rediscovering scalar waves
did Tesla invent his scalar wave weapon ?

ive seen a video about 9/11 and the "disintegration" of the towers using a scalar weapon
id never paid special attention to the way the building seems to turn to dust.
The video draws attention to the large beams still standing just before it all falls
and the beams turn to dust you can see it pretty clearly.

Has anyone else seen this video, does some world power have this weaponry ?

a reply to: Arbitrageur
For your consideration regard Venus habitability:

VENUS AT 50 TO 65 KILOMETERS HIGH IS THE MOST EARTH LIKE PLANET IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM, MUCH MORE SO THAN MARS. Remember cloud city in Star Wars ? At those heights the temperatures are around 40 to 20 deg C with about 15 psi pressure and 21 percent O2 and 78 percent Nitrogen. Hum. The sulfuric acid of 150 PPM is lower in the atmosphere. Oxygen is a lifting gas for Venus the way Helium is for Earth. The heavier gasses and the majority of poisonous gasses are much lower in the atmoshere and especially in the hotter denser area. Giant ballons could one day support outpost at 50 or 60 km altidude above the 875 deg F surface, where the pressure at the surface is 93–94 Bar ( equal to being 3000 feet deep under water) . So no. There won't be a search for life at “the surface", but at 50km high, with 95 to 100 deg F temperatures and just over one Earth. atmoshere. Yes, there may be microbes. At 60–65 km high, and 85 to 70 deg F temperstures and comfortable living conditions for a human out in the open on a balloon, that's the area in the Venesian atmoshere that should be looked at. Just don't jump.

The reason Venus is so hot is because of the incredibly thick, dense and very high pressure atmoshere at the surface. Earth is 1 bar at sea level. Venus is 93 bar. Not just the heat, but the pressure is equal to being 3,000 feet deep under the ocean. That would actually kill you FASTER than 875 deg F. The heat would take a couple of dozen seconds to completley kill, the pressure, “less than one" second. It’s the pressure, that causes the heat, not just energy from the sun.

originally posted by: play4keeps
At 60–65 km high, and 85 to 70 deg F temperstures and comfortable living conditions for a human out in the open on a balloon, that's the area in the Venesian atmoshere that should be looked at. Just don't jump.

Even if you don't jump, how long do 60-65 km high balloons last? Usually not all that long on Earth and I would expect they might have limited life on Venus too. Humanoid life which can only survive on balloons is not likely to evolve on a planet where the surface is uninhabitable.

On Earth we have flying creatures like birds and bats which evolved on the land them evolved flight, but that doesn't mean some flying creature could evolve in Venus's atmosphere without first evolving on land or sea, so I think microbes might be the only life forms we might find in the atmosphere of Venus, definitely not Tesla's parents.